Favorite Musical Countries

[Pete C]

USA
Brazil
Cuba
India
Mali
South Africa
Senegal
Spain
France (as long as I can count Django as French)
Hungary

[Tanager]

Not disagreeing with or supplanting your choices, but augmenting them:

Mexico
Puerto Rico
Ireland
Iran (really Persia)
Pakistan

I'm assuming you meant in modern times?

[Uli]

Greatly augmenting the list by adding

Congo, Nigeria, Jamaica and Trinidad

[mke]

Originally posted by Pete C
France (as long as I can count Django as French)

Why would you do that?

I wonder what music they make in Bhutan.

[Tanager]

Originally posted by mke
I wonder what music they make in Bhutan.

Bhu-Tango?

(sorry.)

[Pete C]

Originally posted by Uli
Greatly augmenting the list by adding

Congo, Nigeria, Jamaica and Trinidad

Absolutely. For me all were contenders except Jamaica (I hate reggae. So sue me.) Madagascar is also a contender.

[Pete C]

Originally posted by mke
Why would you do that?


So, your allegiance is to your adopted country?

[Pete C]

Originally posted by mke
I wonder what music they make in Bhutan.

"Jigme Drukpa "Endless Songs from Bhutan"
Label: Grappa / Heilo; HCD 7143; 16 Tracks; Playing Time: 55.24 min
Jigme Drukpa is a Bhutanese musician who currently lives in Norway, where he is studying for a degree in ethnomusicology at the University of Bergen. He plays a range of traditional Bhutanese instruments, the dra-nyen (Bhutanese lute), yangshin (Asian hammered dulcimer), dong lim and zur lim (flutes) and kong-tha (bamboo mouth harp), and sings in the two distinctive styles of Bhutanese secular music, zhung-dra and bö-dra. With this album (the first-ever release of Bhutanese music on CD), he takes the opportunity of introducing this music, rarely heard outside Bhutan, to the wider world.
Bhutan has never been colonised nor occupied another country throughout its history, which means it was able to develop a fairly unique musical tradition without assimilating outside influences to any great extent. Much of the music is somewhat similar to Tuvanese / Mongolian throat singing with its long notes and lute accompaniments. The tunes featuring dong lim or zur lim, on the other hand, remind me of Native American flute music. To Western ears, it certainly all sounds very exotic and evocative of wild, lonely landscapes. The press release accurately describes it as "meditative and soothing". It takes a bit of getting into, but it is rather beautiful once you do.
Grappa Musikkforlag
Anja Beinroth"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000I7M9/ref=m_art_li_1/102-9816946-9213749?v=glance&s=music


http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre300/e312/e31218pupb6.jpg

[mke]

Originally posted by Pete C
So, your allegiance is to your adopted country?
More importantly, was Django's allegiance to his adopted country?

[Tanager]

Well, Django may have been born in Belgium, but he grew up in France, made most of his music there, and died there. I'd call him "French" for the purposes of placing him in a musical tradition, to be sure.

[Brian Olewnick]

Only because I've happened to investigate their music more than others, my favorites would be:

Japan
China
Indonesia (including Bali)
Viet Nam
Iran
Madagascar
Senegal
South Africa
Morocco
Cambodia

[Sergio Zamora]

Jamaica. That little has given more great music to the world per capita than anywhere I can think of.

[Pete C]

Originally posted by Brian Olewnick
Indonesia (including Bali)


Is that a political statement?

[Sand]

Jigme Drukpa came to a college up in the mountains - about 35 miles from my home - to study Bhutanese music :-) Before he returned home (no brain drain in Bhutan) he learned to play (some) hardanger fiddle.
And while you were discussing Jigme Drukpa, I was playing a minidisc with some tracks from master fiddler Hauk Buen's "Feledåm" ( or "Feledam").

[Jonathan Sutton]

Poland
Russia

England's not bad, either.

[Jonathan Sutton]

Germany
Austria

[mke]

Originally posted by Sand
Jigme Drukpa came to a college up in the mountains - about 35 miles from my home - to study Bhutanese music :-) Before he returned home (no brain drain in Bhutan) he learned to play (some) hardanger fiddle.
And while you were discussing Jigme Drukpa, I was playing a minidisc with some tracks from master fiddler Hauk Buen's "Feledåm" ( or "Feledam").
Did he go to "study" or to "teach" Bhutanese music?

My initial comment was a throwaway, but now I'm genuinely curious.

[Knike]

USA (for all that Jazz)
Switzerland (they got Jazz too)
Cuba
Jamaïca
Ireland
Great Britain
India
Indonesia
Senegal / Mali / other African
Scandinavian Countries
Italy
Germany

[Brian Olewnick]

Shouldn't have left out Ghana....

[Tanager]

Okay, this list is getting pretty long. What are some countries that should be left out?

[Brian Olewnick]

Originally posted by Tanager
Okay, this list is getting pretty long. What are some countries that should be left out?

Well, Canada, obviously!!! ;-)

[stonemonkts]

Originally posted by Tanager
Okay, this list is getting pretty long. What are some countries that should be left out?


Switzerland
Austria
Lichtenstein

[Uli]

England is overrated

[Knike]

Switzerland
Austria
Lichtenstein

Why do you think they should be left out ??
Ok, Liechtenstein maybe, but I know a pretty cool funk-band from Liechtenstein, and one of my own bands is 1/4 Liechtensteinish.....

[Sergio Zamora]

There are very fertile electronica, experimental and improvising scenes in Austria. Lotsa music.

I always thought Liechtensteinwas made up.

[clinthopson]

USA , except for pop, shitkick, most rock and rap
Mexico, give me a tequila shooter and Huapangos any time
Canada, can a country which gave us Celine Dion and Anne Murray be all bad?
Cuba, great cigars and Abrahim Ferrer
France, or "Freedom" if you will

[Pete C]

Originally posted by clinthopson
Canada, can a country which gave us Celine Dion and Anne Murray be all bad?


Canada's a contender if only for Paul Bley.

[Tanager]

Originally posted by Pete C
Canada's a contender if only for Paul Bley.

Didn't Canada give us Oscar Peterson, too?

[Pete C]

Originally posted by Tanager
Didn't Canada give us Oscar Peterson, too?

Yeah, but for me that wouldn't grant it contender status.

[Sergio Zamora]

Canada gave us Alannah Myles. Remember "Black Velvet"? Yeah, Black Velvet.

And Bryan Adams!

And the guy who sang "Hot Child in the City"!

I ask you, what more do you want?

[Tanager]

Originally posted by Pete C
Yeah, but for me that wouldn't grant it contender status.

Nor for me, as I'm not a huge Oscar fan, but I figured it would get them on the board with most folks.

Canada *did* give us Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, however, which should be enough.

[stonemonkts]

Originally posted by Knike
Why do you think they should be left out ??
Ok, Liechtenstein maybe, but I know a pretty cool funk-band from Liechtenstein, and one of my own bands is 1/4 Liechtensteinish.....

I was kidding, sorta. My knowledge of Swiss or Austrian music can be best described as ignorant (I imagine people dressed in lederhosen(sp) drinking pitchers of warm beer and chewing on sausages, dancing about to accordian music, so WTHDIK). And, since we're a jazz BBS, and I'm unaware of any jazz artists from those places, I figured all 3 countries weren't exactly pumping them out, per se.

I wish I had more exposure to world musics. WKCR was a nice source for hearing a lot of it, but alas I'm now 150 miles away from the transmitter.

EDIT: Wholeheartedly agree on Canada being included if ONLY for Paul Bley....for the past several months I'd have to say he's been my favorite musician. I've had "Alone Again" stuck in my changer for weeks, and still cannot get enough of it.

[Pete C]

Originally posted by stonemonkts
I wish I had more exposure to world musics. WKCR was a nice source for hearing a lot of it, but alas I'm now 150 miles away from the transmitter.

Online at wkcr.org.

[stonemonkts]

Originally posted by Pete C
Online at wkcr.org.

Oh yeah, I know. I used to access them that way when I lived a stone's throw away (after 9-11, my cable modem gave me crystal clear uninterrupted transmission).

Now I live in the sticks where I barely log in at 38 Kbs, so the connect stops and starts like crazy. Sort of amusing for me to listen in on Schapp this way....the original Blabbermouth getting cut off in mid-babble.

Someday when true broadband access to everything media-related is a reality, I'll be able to enjoy WKCR once again.

I really miss it (probably more than I miss the food back there, which says a lot).

[Sand]

Originally posted by mke
Did he go to "study" or to "teach" Bhutanese music?

My initial comment was a throwaway, but now I'm genuinely curious.

Jigme Drukpa arrived in the interior of Telemark, up in the mountains, at The Music and Folk Art Department at Telemark College Institute of Folk Culture, to study his own country’s music. They did not have any dranyen players there, but he did study that instrument, flutes and singing, because that institution - in contrast to Irish Folk Music Institutions - offered that opportunity.
Working with master kvedar (folk singer/vocalist) Sondre Bratland. it became very clear how international folk music really is. Strangely enough, Bratland's and Drukpa's voices also sounded very good together: they were said to fit hand in glove. Bratland may be right in observing that vocal values are international. I agree, listening to their duet on Bratland’s 1996 recording "Atterklang" this evening.

The Music and Folk Art Department also helped to establish a music center in Bhutan. And Jigme had one of ministers of the Bhutanese government sleeping on sofa in his room at the college.

[walto]

Holland.

[Sand]

Originally posted by walto
Holland.

Dave, of course.

[Nate Dorward]

Yeah, I entirely agree that Canada should be left off the list. Paul Bley's great & there's a few others (Lenny Breau; Kenny Wheeler; Paul Plimley; I guess you might count Gil Evans; um.......no, definitely NOT Oscar Peterson). But these are isolated exceptions to the generally pretty tepid history of jazz in Canada.

I'm from Halifax, NS, live in Toronto, & the above is not one whit tongue-in-cheek: there's plenty of competent jazz in the Canadian scene but very little that's exceptional.


Currently, I've been getting pretty intrigued by Portugal's "free" scene: people like Manuel Mota, Agusti Fernandez, & the guys on that Lisbon Improvisation Players disc (the wonderful live at lx_meskla on Clean Feed). I have only heard a handful of things but it's enough to suggest that there's a little ferment in the improv scene there.

[Sergio Zamora]

Nate, isn't Carlos Zingaro from Portuga tool?


Also from Canada - John Oswald.

[Uli]

I like to add Panama. I don't really know a thing about it other than Danilo Perez and maybe Panama Francis and I can't think of the name of the bass player right now but they have the best speakers in the busses of any country I have been.

[Pete C]

Ruben Blades is also from Panama.

Is there a free fado scene in Portugal?

[Zephyr]

If you have only one night in Lisbon, spend it at a fado club. The nostalgic sounds of fado, Portuguese "songs of sorrow," are at their best in Lisbon--the capital attracts the greatest fadistas (fado singers) in the world. Fado is high art in Portugal, so don't plan to carry on a private conversation during a show--it's bad form. Most of the authentic fado clubs cluster in the Bairro Alto and in the Alfama, between St. George's Castle and the docks. You can "fado hop" between the two quarters. If you're visiting the Alfama, have the taxi driver let you off at largo do Chafariz, a small plaza a block from the harbor; in the Bairro Alto, get off at largo de São Roque. Most of the places lie only a short walk away.

[Pete C]

Originally posted by Uli
I like to add Panama. . .I can't think of the name of the bass player right now . . .

Alex Blake.

[Uli]

I think I was thingkin of Santi Debriano and his Panamaniacs.

[Zephyr]

The Vatican
Andorra
Monaco

I saw Iran, why not Iraq and Pakistan ?

[frankpop1]

Canada gave us Alannah Myles. ...And Bryan Adams!And the guy who sang "Hot Child in the City

while youre at it, zamora, why not add BTO.

but yes oswald is from canada which gives rise to the debacle in canada when they confiscated oswalds cds so that he could not market them. now, i luv canada, but off the list they go.

for awhile


how bout texas, ornette & co hail from texas. texas is kinda like a country. in fact, the united states has imported a couple of guys to be president from texas. if we could only get them to sign gatt.

and the north mariana islands, do they qualify?

[Nate Dorward]

Well the debacle may have been "in" Canada but my understanding was that it was at the instigation of Michael Jackson & his record company so what's that got to do with Canada as a country?


By the way Agusti Fernandez, despite what I said in my earlier post, is I believe Spanish not Portuguese. (Actually the Penguin Guide says Mallorcan.)

[LeMo]

Yes, he is very much spanish.
As Canada is concern, must add François Houle (born in Vancouver).

[LeMo]

And Zingaro is absolutely Portuguese.

[frankpop1]

so what's that got to do with Canada as a country?

well, i probably am wrong, but i thought it was canada's govt that enforced or it was in their courts and then settled.

but small digression. ok, canada's back in. i declare that the exclusion is over.

now, join me for canada's national anthem:


o canada...

[Pete C]

Originally posted by LeMo
Yes, he is very much spanish.


Unless he's a Catalan seperatist.

[mke]

In 1946 Django went to the USA on a Belgian passport.

(returning to an earlier topic)

[Zephyr]

Jean-Baptiste Reinhardt was born in 1910 in Liverchies a village of the Southern part of Belgium. His family was Gipsy and they were French speaking. So 'technically' Django is Belgian!
But how to nationalize Gipsies, these children of the wind?
Apparently a lot of people did as Reinhardt is mostly presented as a French musician.
Well... I couldn't resist. As our French friends from France so often 'adopted' so many famous Belgians in the past to make them appear as French in their lists, encyclopedias and memorials, I listed Django in my famous Belgian Jazzmen.

[Pete C]

If you accept current thinking on the origins of the Romany people, Django was a great Rajahstani jazz guitarist.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Pete C
Django was a great jazz guitarist.

Indeed, he was !!!

[walto]

"Seven Brides for Seven Brothers"
"Oklahoma"

[john williams]

I have a Romany background and as far as I am concerned Django's nationality is irrelevant. The idea of national identity and geographical attachment will always amuse me. I was born in England, live in Australia, but I have never considered myself to be of either nationality, except in a legal sense of course. Wherever we land is home. I've had arguments with friends about this, who insist I am Australian, because I am an Australian citizen and have lived here for 30 years. So what. it means nothing to me? Australia has a lot going for it with regards to laid back lifestyle and I like living here, but I am not Australian. However, non-Rom get flustered by us folk who dare to exhibit these tendencies. Many Australians are pretty insecure about their national identity and get a little prickly if you don't toe the line as far as getting flags out on Australia Day is concerned. The joke here is when a famous US film star gets off the plane, the journalist will ask, 'What do you think of Australia?'

But how to nationalize Gipsies, these children of the wind?
My point exactly! It does not make sense.

If you accept current thinking on the origins of the Romany people, Django was a great Rajahstani jazz guitarist.
He He He!

More importantly, was Django's allegiance to his adopted country?
He may not have *allegience* to any country, if he is anything like most Rom I know he probably wouldn't care about such things. Django was a great Jazz guitarist and Rom, who chose to live in Belgium or France and other places, enough said.


However, I *will* add Armenia, if only for Gasparyan.
Bulgaria
Hungary
Romania
Estonia

The only flag I recognise-
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/rromflag.gif

[Zephyr]

JBW , well said !!!

But living in Armenia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania or Estonia for a Romany......
I'm sure , you know what I mean.

[Bill Barton]

Thank goodness Walter finally mentioned Holland!

Let's see, nine more, eh?

Saturn

BRAZIL

India

Jamaica

Mali

Morocco

Senegal

South Africa

USA





Runner up? Canada, which has been getting way too much flak IMHO for OP (and MF?) et al.

[Fran]

I can't believe you folk-
All the responses and no one mentioned Sweden?

Several great Jazz musicians and nationally, a great appreciation of Jazz.
Perhaps no longer the big band mecca of the 60's, but I remember numerous business trips during those years, staying in hotels all over the country that nightly featured jazz oriented dance bands.

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

Originally posted by Fran
I can't believe you folk-
All the responses and no one mentioned Sweden?


Or Argentina?? Tangos! Astor Piazzolla!!!

[old black joe]

ok, i think i will start with one country that only knike mentioned and is deserving more credit-our neighbors, italia.the only bad thing in italy is that berlusconi poor excuse of a prime minister.
i would vote also for portugal and ireland from europe.
then cuba,colombia and brasil from america.
in africa it is too hard to chooce because there are many countries in high level and also some that are not so famous but have amazing stuff,too.
like madagaskar for example.
i also vote for south africa and senegal and to go to asia it has to be india,i guess.

[Pete C]

OBJ, what's with the handle? Are you a Stephen Foster fanatic?

[old black joe]

don't know what you mean,i'm afraid.
can you give me details about your post?

[Pete C]

"Old Black Joe" is a song by the 19th century American songwriter, Stephen Foster. If the name were to be used by an African-American today, it would be done with irony. If the name were to be used by someone not of African descent, it would could be seen as offensive by those who are.

[hermann]

Germany
the other European ( like Austria, Switzerland, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Poland,...)
the Scandinavian, the Baltic, Russia
the Balcan
the U S A north to south
African
Australia
India
Japan
China
Polynesia

oh, that become more and more, stop thinking Hermann

[Sand]

ok

Germany, for many reasons and Bach - well, I rest my sake (Japaneze).
Norway and Poland and the Balkans (traditional, classical, improvisional, original)
Hungary and Finland and Lapland
Japan and Vietnam
Sweden,Switzerland, Austria and Czechia.
Mali and Portugal
Spain and Tunis and Iran
Cuba, Brazil and Usa
India and Pakistan
Scotland and Ireland and Wales and Bretagne and Louisianna and Canada.

[old black joe]

dear pete c
thanks for the information you gave me.
i knew it was an old traditional song but i didn't know who wrote it.
i'm not black myself,i have respect for all the races of this planet ,so it's pretty obvious i didn't mean to offend anyone.
most of my cds are from black artists and if the name is making somebody feel offended,i don't have a problem to change it right now.
i just used it cause i like the song with this title and it's got a good sound in my opinion.
thanks again

[Fran]

Originally posted by Zephyr
The Vatican
Andorra
Monaco

I saw Iran, why not Iraq and Pakistan ?


DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST SAN MARINO ???
HUH ? DO YOU ? HUH ?

[Pete C]

OBJ, you're welcome. It may be presumptuous of me to anticipate others being offended, but I suspected it might be totally innocent on your part, seeing your location, and I decided to start with the oblique reference. It's your call.

Foster was the most popular American songwriter of the mid-19th Century, and he wrote pretty, if sentimental melodies (My Old Kentucky Home, I Dream of Jeannie, etc.), but many of his songs are based in the blackface minstrel tradition and play upon some of the racial stereotypes of the time.

[old black joe]

thanks again,pete
i'll try to change my name if i can make it.
foster is not a person that i would like to get involved with.
now i must think of another name and use it in my next visits in the message board.tough work!
by the way,returning to the thread's topic i would like to add two countries more:
algeria and yugoslavia.
and that's the last from obj