rhythm changes

[digital]

Hi all,
anyone know versions of rhythm changes done by modern pianists ?
and on which albums I can find them ?
please avoid bebop pianists in your list, Thanks ...

[Fluter]

greetings friend,

you do know that avoiding "bebop" pianists on a list with "rhythm changes" is difficult, right?

are you hoping for someone playing slowly over the changes, is that what you're seeking?

I think cats here would help you if you could elaborate on your request just a bit more.

[Jazzooo]

Yes, that's a pretty funnny request! Digital--Rhythm Changes are probably the most common of bebop chord progressions.

[digital]

Not so difficult actually,
meanwhile I found out 3 non bebop pianists play over rhythm changes .
1) petrucianny - I got rhythm with the old violanist , I forgot his name.
2) Jarrett - on tokio 96 .
3) hancock with brecker on oleo - but I have it live on a video.

I'm sure there are more examples, doesn't metter if there are non pianists too,
I'm just looking for something else then the bud powell, charley parker approch,
keep looking guys and thanks.

[graypencil]

Originally posted by digital
Not so difficult actually,
meanwhile I found out 3 non bebop pianists play over rhythm changes .
1) petrucianny - I got rhythm with the old violanist , I forgot his name.
2) Jarrett - on tokio 96 .
3) hancock with brecker on oleo - but I have it live on a video.

I'm sure there are more examples, doesn't metter if there are non pianists too,
I'm just looking for something else then the bud powell, charley parker approch,
keep looking guys and thanks.

I think we have cognitive dissonce deal going here:

Anyone who cant hear that the three pianists cited ( BTW: it's Petrucianni )
aren't rooted in the bebop tradition regardless of where thev've chosen
to go individually from then on ..has set himself up to pursue a sorta
jazz moebius strip ..

( interesting that you only cite Bud Powell as a brbop pianist ..what about
Al Haig, Horace Silver, Dod Marmarosa, Monk, Hampton Hawes, George
Wallington, Tristano, Bill Evans ,Wynton Kelly, Junior Mance, Ray Bryant,
Oscar Peterson ???????? ..

I could go on and on ....

[Tanager]

gp, I was going to say the same thing, but the disconnect between reality and digital's post was simply too wide to warrant any response I could formulate.

[mke]

I think digital simply means bebop era pianists.

[Tanager]

Originally posted by mke
I think digital simply means bebop era pianists.

Well, since he talked about "approach," I assumed otherwise. But you could be right, I dunno.

[mke]

Originally posted by Tanager
Well, since he talked about "approach," I assumed otherwise. But you could be right, I dunno.
He never mentioned "approach." He opposed "modern pianists" and "bebop pianists," so I think he's talking time-wise. Whether or not his dichotomy is valid is another issue.

[Tanager]

Originally posted by mke
He never mentioned "approach." He opposed "modern pianists" and "bebop pianists," so I think he's talking time-wise. Whether or not his dichotomy is valid is another issue.

Well, I'm in an argumentative mood :), so here's a quote from his last post:

"I'm just looking for something else then the bud powell, charley parker approch..."

[mke]

Originally posted by Tanager
Well, I'm in an argumentative mood :), so here's a quote from his last post:

"I'm just looking for something else then the bud powell, charley parker approch..."
He said "approch," not "approach." So I win. Whether or not the word is correctly spelled is another issue.

:D

[Tanager]

Originally posted by mke
He said "approch," not "approach." So I win. Whether or not the word is correctly spelled is another issue.

:D

Damn you, damn you, damn you, curses, foiled again!

[digital]

Calm down everyone,
I'm not an american so my english and choice of terms is not as good as you.
I meant the bebop era , they all use the same approach, they're almost never playing out and the choice of substitutions is different between Hank Jones and Calderazzo for 70%.
so Can you help me or just want to keep discussing terms ?

I love this site mostly for the information I get here...

Thanks

[digital]

Let me ask a similar question :
anyone know artists who recorded rhythm changes in the last 5 yesrs ?
If yes, can you please list a few ?

Thanks

[graypencil]

Originally posted by digital
I meant the bebop era , they all use the same approach, they're almost never playing out and the choice of substitutions is different between Hank Jones and Calderazzo for 70%.
so

Thanks


Digital:

Aha ..now you've asked this in a form that may make sense ( even if you don't
agree with the answer)

Harmonically, bebop was an extension of the harmony employed in the
swing era, but utilizing more basic versions of the chords ..the rhythm
feel tended to be more "on the beat" and nominally executed in a
tripled based swing feel ..

When bebop came along, the harmonic practices advanced to the inclusion
of chordal extensions ( 11ths and 13ths in addition to swings 7ths and 9ths ),
scalar passages based on these extensions and the neighboring notes,
and the "swing feel " flattened out to more of an even feel ..bebop melodies
became increasingly more technically abstruse and less "riff based"
as was common in the swing era.

Today ..this development has advanced to include further entensions,
exotic scales, bi-tonal playing, and "in and out" techniques where
the soloist will deliberately dip in and out of the chord progression
atonally for further variety ..and the tratment of rhythm has become
much looser and also more abstract ..

BUT : it's ALL based upon EXTENDING and ENLARGING upon the basic
techniques ..from swing, thru bebop, neobop, and to whatever
terms you prefer for todays jazz style(s) ...

That eplains why Hank Jones and Joey Calderazzo, ( or Joann Brackeen or Cecil Taylor )
sound "different" ..but it all springs from common roots.

GP

[Jazzooo]

Now that I understand your question, try John Scofield Works for Me and listren to Brad Mehldau's piano solo on Not YOu Again. He['s the guy I am most interested in in this regard.