View Full Version : Your Top 10 Jazz Epiphanies
Pete C
February-25th-2004, 12:28 PM
I need some time to consider this, but I'm following up on a Sumo response to Bostontricky on the long form thread.
What were the 10 recordings or live performances that changed the way you think about jazz, set you on new listening paths, etc.?
crawjo
February-25th-2004, 01:07 PM
I can't rank them, but here goes 10 in no particular order:
1. Listening to Cecil Taylor's "Rick Kick Shaw" for the first time. He played the piano like I always imagined it should be played. Quite a revelation.
2. Miles Davis - "Sketches of Spain." This is actually not my favorite Davis album by any stretch, but I first heard it when I was just beginning to get into jazz, and it made me completely rethink what jazz could be.
3. Listening to Patricia Barber's "If I Were Blue" for the first time. This was the first time I ever found a jazz vocalist whose approach and style I really loved.
4. The very first time I ever heard Ornette Coleman. I ordered "The Shape of Jazz To Come" off BMG Music, popped in the disc, and then Lonely Woman hit me. No words can describe what that tune does to me still.
5. Albert Ayler - Live at Slug's Saloon. After hearing this music, I started to think of the so-called "avant-garde" as being less a break from the past and more an embrace of jazz tradition using new forms and ideas.
6. Miles Davis - Miles Smiles, and in particular, "Circle." Still the most beautiful music I've ever heard.
7. The second or third time I heard "A Love Supreme." In particular, Coltrane's playing on the last track, "Psalm" gave me new appreciation both for his artistry and for the way the saxophone can be used to communicate not just musical ideas, but emotions. It felt like he was <i>crying</i> through the instrument.
8. In a similar vein, the "Chasin' the Trane" on Disc Three of the Vanguard box. I remember listening to it for the first time, driving through a hail storm on a dark night, trying to get home. The music seared itself into my brain.
9. In a Silent Way. It took me a while, but once I started listening to this album closely, I found that my appreciation for Miles's music could extend beyond 1969.
10. Reading Ralph Ellison's "Living with Music" essay. I read this just as I was getting into jazz, and the way he articulated the relationship between the individual and the collective, freedom and responsibility, opened my eyes to how powerful an artform jazz is and can be.
al j
February-25th-2004, 01:09 PM
good idea, Pete. In order, I think:
- James Clay w/ Marchel Ivery, Whitney Russell, Roger Boykin, Drew Phelps and W.A. Richardson churning out Joe Henderson's RECORDA ME at a Dallas bar, 1991. Those were the fucking DAYS.
- Miles Davis - KIND OF BLUE
- Miles Davis - AGHARTA
- Underway on a submarine, Dave Hubbard lending me these discs: MASADA ALEF, Lester Young's ALADDIN SESSIONS, Cecil Taylor's OLU IWA, Andrew Hill's STREET MUSIC (inside joke), Oscar Peterson Trio W/ STAN GETZ, Sidney Bechet's RUNNIN WILD
- Sam Rivers COMPLETE BLUE NOTE RECORDINGS, Coltrane's COMPLETE VV 1961
- Cecil Taylor, solo, live at BENAROYA HALL, Seattle 2000
- Paul Bley, Lee Konitz, Han Bennink and Bill Frisell, live in Seattle, 2000 (this show sent home the idea that great players can, and will, completely suck under the right circumstances)
- Anthony Braxton's quartet, the WILLISAU and SANTA CRUZ sets
- Eskelin, Parkins & Black, Seattle 2001
- AMM and Tilbury/MIMEO's HOC, subsequently (though not jazz music, gave me some fresh insight on improvisational music in general)
stonemonkts
February-25th-2004, 01:21 PM
Miles - Kind Of Blue
Miles - Miles Smiles
Armstrong - Hot Fives with Earl Hines
Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch
Anthony Braxton - vague memory of being blown away by a live recording heard on WKCR, not sure what it was, but if I had to guess it was his quartet from the 80's. Hearing this initiated my love for avant garde music.
Bix Beiderbecke - I had my first earful of Bix during a birthday broadcast. I was totally enthralled.
Albert Ayler - Live at Greenwich Village
John Coltrane - Live at Village Vanguard
Paul Bley - Hands On (this was my first exposure to his solo work)
Ornette Coleman - Shape Of Jazz To Come
Pete C
February-25th-2004, 01:35 PM
Some random thoughts, to be added to later.
- About 4 or 5 years ago finally "getting" "On the Corner"--it took all the music that happened in the subsequent 25 years to prepare me for it.
- "Not Two, Not One" - It was this album that made me a Bley fanatic. I had known his music vaguely for years, but only owned some of his 60's trio stuff. I even saw him twice before this epiphany--with Giuffre & Swallow, and with Haden & Konitz; I always appreciated him, but he hadn't gotten under my skin. I then became familiar with the solo work and really became obsessed.
- Seeing Jeanne Lee (with Waldron/Workman/Cyrille) doing standards several months before she died. I knew her avant work with Hampel, etc., but wasn't familiar with the standards work with Blake & Waldron. This was a transcendent performance, and I went from appreciating to loving Jeanne Lee.
- Realizing, not too long ago, that there are few things more boring in music (with some exceptions) than a jam session.
- Guys like Wayne Shorter & Charles Tolliver showing me that you should never write a player off. Sometimes it takes 20-30 years for them to find their way again. Who knows--maybe Garbarek will surprise me too.
- Hearing "Windward Passages" not too long ago and realizing that Dave Burrell, another guy I had appreciated for years without fully embracing, was really brilliant.
- "Serenity" and "Anniversary" finally making me appreciate Getz; "There Was a Time" doing the same for Eddie Harris.
Noj
February-25th-2004, 01:52 PM
1. Jimi Hendrix "Third Stone From The Sun"--it was jazzy, and I discovered that I tend to like songs without lyrics more than those with lyrics.
2. John Coltrane "Cousin Mary"--some of the first jazz I heard, I ran out and bought GIANT STEPS quickly after hearing it.
3. Horace Silver "Song For My Father"--the song that sealed the deal. Jazz was my favorite type of music after hearing this song.
4. Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers "Moanin'"--Soul stirring, I was forever altered.
5. Oliver Nelson "Stolen Moments"--whistled this one for months on end after first hearing it.
6. Gil Evans "La Nevada"--I began to realize there is much more great jazz than I had anticipated. The seemingly endless amount of great musicians began to reveal themselves to me.
7. Duke Ellington--very recently a track on a compilation disc provided by a friend has considerably changed my attitude toward Duke, a legend I am largely unfamiliar with and had previously dismissed as being from jazz too early for me to appreciate.
8. Miles Davis' Prestige recordings--found I like these more than his later years which I had heard first
9. EMusic--afforded me a peek into the entire Fantasy/Prestige catalog. Realized how little I knew about jazz once again
10. Cal Tjader--got me into latin jazz, which I wouldn't think I would like as much as I do.
Pete C
February-25th-2004, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Noj
10. Cal Tjader--got me into latin jazz, which I wouldn't think I would like as much as I do.
Emusic has lots of great Latin Jazz. Get Machito at the Crescendo immediately.
Jason Bivins
February-25th-2004, 02:12 PM
Boy, I sure would like to have been at that Jeanne Lee gig.
Pete C
February-25th-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Jason Bivins
Boy, I sure would like to have been at that Jeanne Lee gig.
They did 2 45 minute sets. At the North Sea festival I would normally stay for one set and then try to catch something else (as there are 14 concurrent stages, and at least 2 or 3 things I'd like to see at any time), but there was no way I was leaving after the first set. The next night I saw the trio without Lee do one 75 minute set.
Noj
February-25th-2004, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Pete C
Emusic has lots of great Latin Jazz. Get Machito at the Crescendo immediately.
Thanks for the advice, Pete C. I actually quit EMusic after the ownership and subsequent policy changes a while back. Machito may get me back on board--I have a disc he did with Dizzy that smokes...
Dan G
February-25th-2004, 06:32 PM
In close to chronological order, beginning about 1985
1. Having a friend give me Sonny Clark's Cool Struttin' and Dexter Gordon's A Swinging Affair. I'd heard some jazz before, but never really paid attention to it. This is what set me off trying to hear everything.
2. One day coming across a cheap used copy of Braxton's duos with Derek Bailey on Emanem. I didn't like or understand any of it (some less than others), I realized there was a lot more out there than I knew.
3. A night of heavy substance abuse listening to Mingus: At Antibes, Presents CM, Town Hall, Ah Um, Black Saint...
4. Found more cheap Braxton records: Montreux Berlin Concerts, Alto Solo 1979, New York Fall 1974, Five Pieces. Even with my adverse reaction to the previous one, I couldn't resist. I just kept listening until it made sense.
5. A long drive with only one tape: Sun Ra Live at Montreux. We listened to it over and over and over. My first exposure to Ra.
6. Bought the first Penguin Guide, and decided to go for a high rated album I know nothing about: Evan Parker Trio's Atlanta.
7. After having seen several mediocre concerts over a few years (Steve Lacy, Joe Lovano, David Murray), seeing in one day ICP Orchestra, Clusone Trio, and Gerry Hemingway's quintet w/Dresser, Moore, Reijseger and Wierbos. Maybe the most memorable day of my life, and the day I realized there really is nothing like great live jazz.
8. At some point in mid-90s, finally coming to understand both Derek Bailey (through Aida) and Cecil Taylor (Erzulie Maketh Scent was the breakthrough record).
9. My first AMM album, Nameless Uncarved Block. Shades of my first exposure to jazz (see #1)
10. Realizing finally that I am never going to like the Bailey/Braxton collaborations no matter how much I like each of them separately, and the subsequent realization no matter how great an artist may be, or how much others may rave about a record, it all comes down to personal taste and I'm allowed to find Kind of Blue boring.
gnhrtg
February-25th-2004, 06:48 PM
I'll give you one, perhaps the most crucial: discovering Jazzcorner about six years ago.
Try as I might, I can't seem to recall how I first bumped onto this wonderful place.
crawjo
February-25th-2004, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by gnhrtg
I'll give you one, perhaps the most crucial: discovering Jazzcorner about six years ago.
Try as I might, I can't seem to recall how I first bumped onto this wonderful place.
Good one! I bumped into Jazzcorner just a few months ago, and I have no idea how I found this place either, actually. I think I was just bored one day and started doing random Google searches on Jazz until this came up. I was looking for a place to discuss jazz music--since none of my friends or family members listen to it--and I hit the motherload.
This is a great, great site.
Noj
February-25th-2004, 07:40 PM
I forgot the Best Of Wes Montgomery on Verve record mysteriously tucked in with my Mom's collection of Beatles and Rolling Stones plates--"BUMPIN' ON SUNSET" was definitely an epiphany for me.
Jazzcorner? This place is like Vegas, it never sleeps!
john williams
February-25th-2004, 10:32 PM
Not really Jazz but "Eric Dolphy's Memorial Barbeque"/Weasels Ripped My Flesh by Frank Zappa set me on the road of discovery. Its still my Favorite Zappa album.
Live at the Village Vanguard (single disc) : Coltrane. It was in a cheap bin and bought it because dolphy was on it. After that I wanted everthing Coltrane recorded.
Nefertiti : Miles Davis. Although I prefer Miles Smiles, I heard this one first.
Mingus Ah-Um
Leosia : Tomasz Stanko. Still one of my favorite albums and it led me back to Astigmatic.
Bar Kokhba/The Circle Maker : John Zorn. Still love these too and were my entry point into Zorn's world for better or worse. Never really liked Naked City that much.
Catologue: Live in East Germany : The Ganelin Trio. I'd never heard anything like this before, except perhaps the humour reminded me of Zappa.
Tanager
February-25th-2004, 11:02 PM
Jeff Beck - Wired - his cover of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" made me want to hear the original, which brought me to...
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
I'm another Trane at the VV guy - although in my case, it was a vinyl copy of Impressions - that was the first time I'd heard Dolphy. Freakin' holy crap.
Miles Davis - Bitches' Brew
Trane - Blue Train - my first foray into hard bop, and I discovered Lee Morgan. Another "holy crap" experience.
George Benson - Beyond the Blue Horizon - I grew up just hearing his pop stuff, which didn't do much for me. One day, I badmouthed him in front my college jazz bandleader, who then chewed me out in front of the entire band. I found this album and realized what an idiot I'd been. I'm listening to it again right now.
Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby - in particular, his cover of "Milestones" - it's my favorite version of this tune by far, and when I heard it for the first time, it somehow struck such a chord in me, it seems to have this sense of urgency to it that just stirs me up inside. I immediately went out and bought a copy of Miles' disk to hear the original.
Discovering this place was also a revelation - finally a place with (somewhat) kindred spirits...
That's only 9, but a lot of others are in a tie for 10th...
Pete C
February-26th-2004, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by Dan G
7. After having seen several mediocre concerts over a few years (Steve Lacy, Joe Lovano, David Murray)
Hard to believe. Especially Lacy.
Nate Dorward
February-26th-2004, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by Dan G
7. After having seen several mediocre concerts over a few years (Steve Lacy, Joe Lovano, David Murray), seeing in one day ICP Orchestra, Clusone Trio, and Gerry Hemingway's quintet w/Dresser, Moore, Reijseger and Wierbos. Maybe the most memorable day of my life, and the day I realized there really is nothing like great live jazz.I'm guessing this was in Toronto at the downtown jazzfest? Back in the early 1990s it was really a pretty great festival..... it's so depressing what's happened to it since. -- I was present for the ICP gig (which I thought was good) & the Hemingway (which was spectacular). If I remember rightly though, wasn't it a quartet? I seem to recall Reijseger was not on that tour due to a slipped disc. They gave a reading of the whole of The Marmalade King.
I don't think I have any epiphanies to list--just seems to be little to say that's not more or less the same landmarks already sketched out by others in this thread.
edpack
February-26th-2004, 03:14 AM
The first and biggest for me was seeing Miles for the first time in 1970. Until then, jazz for me meant "Girl From Ipenema" or "Satin Doll". I was in no way prepared for what I was about to hear.
This was the "lost" quintet with Chick, Wayne, Jack and Dave, and they came out burning. They did about 45 minutes, took a break, and did another 45. The music was ferocious, furious, and I had no idea what was going on, yet I knew I was about to become a jazz fanatic for life. I still think this was Miles' greatest band, and what they were playing was real jazz.
Duke Ellington outdoors at a benefit concert about 1972. Made the earth move.
World Saxophone Quartet live, several times in NYC during the '80's.
Ornette live at Town Hall in NYC with the classic quartet and Prime Time.
Art Ensemble of Chicago, also at Town Hall. A total experience, aural, visual, spiritual.
Roscoe Mitchell at Merkin Concert Hall, NYC. The most intriguing concert I think I've been to.
Roy Hargrove at the Big Sur Jazz fest, with strings, on a sunny afternoon.
Dave Holland Quintet at Birdland. Made me a die-hard fan.
Roscoe at the Chicago jazz fest last fall, the Saturday afternoon set. Amazing.
Russell Gunn at the Saratoga Jazz fest last summer. Always love discovering new talent. I think he blends styles better than anybody.
And the beat goes on!
vibes
February-26th-2004, 07:11 AM
1. Atheist - Elements
Atheist was labeled a death metal band, but incorporated some elements of jazz into its music, especially on its final album, "Elements." An unusual mix, but it got me interested in hearing jazz without the death metal. That led me to:
2. Lionel Hampton/Oscar Peterson - Verve 50's sides
When I finally decided to look for some jazz to listen to, I searched by instrument. I'd always liked the vibraphone, so I looked for vibes players. A Verve Lionel Hampton/Oscar Peterson comp was what I found at my local record store. The rest is history.
3. Grant Green - Idle Moments
I had never heard of any of the musicians and didn't have anything from Blue Note, but I saw this CD in a display and thought the combination of guitar/vibes/sax/piano sounded interesting. Not only was I introduced to great music by some great musicians, but I learned about Blue Note, which probably comprises 60-75% of my jazz collection now.
4. Cal Tjader - Shades of Jade/Breeze From The East
Early on in my jazz listening, I focused primarily on my favorite jazz instrument, the vibraphone. I found this Verve comp in an HMV in Hong Kong (they let you listen to any new CD in the store, except for Japanese releases) and fell in love with it immediately. From there, I discovered Cal's more latin sides, and became more accepting of a different take on jazz.
5. The Blue Note Bulletin Board
Started posting there almost two years ago. From it, I discovered several other boards/sites, including Mosaic Records, AAJ, Organissimo, the Steve Hoffman forums, and Jazz Corner, of course. My wallet has been feeling it ever since.
6. Alan Shorter - Orgasm
I can't remember why I wanted to hear this one so bad, but I found a sealed copy of it on eBay a couple years ago, and totally loved it. I've become a lot more open to avant/free jazz since hearing this album.
7. My first Mosaic purchase
If I remember correctly, I ordered the Sam Rivers, Blue Mitchell and Curtis Fuller sets all at the same time, and that was my first Mosaic purchase. It turned me on to Mosaic and to some great musicians, all at the same time. I'd never heard anything by any of them before I bought the sets. I've bought another 30-40 sets since then, and it's been that way with most of them - never heard any of the music before I bought the sets. I guess I just trust Mosaic and the opinions of people on these boards quite a bit.
8. Larry Young - Unity
This is the album and turned me on to jazz organ. I didn't like the sound much until I heard it from someone that I really liked.
9. Stan Getz/Charlie Byrd - Jazz Samba
Turned me on to the whole bossa nova thing. I've found other bossa nova albums I like much more since then, but this is the one that started it all for me.
10. Fred Anderson Trio, at the Iowa City Jazz Festival 2002
To me, avant garde music had always seemed to be cerebral and without feeling until I saw Mr. Anderson perform last summer. Although the music was intense, I remember feeling very moved by what I saw and heard. I can't really explain it, but it's a feeling I'll never forget.
Dan G
February-26th-2004, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Pete C
Hard to believe. Especially Lacy.
Re: my comment about mediocre shows - I first saw Lacy in about 1991 or 92, and it was a disaster. Steve Potts was having reed problems and stopped part way through every solo to adjust something. Lacy just stood off to the side and watched this happen each time, but never decided to take him out for the night.
I've seen Lacy a few time since, and still don't rank any of them among the best shows I've seen. They are always good, but never anything that blew my mind. Of course, I feel the same way about his albums.
Dan G
February-26th-2004, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Nate Dorward
I'm guessing this was in Toronto at the downtown jazzfest? Back in the early 1990s it was really a pretty great festival..... it's so depressing what's happened to it since. -- I was present for the ICP gig (which I thought was good) & the Hemingway (which was spectacular). If I remember rightly though, wasn't it a quartet? I seem to recall Reijseger was not on that tour due to a slipped disc. They gave a reading of the whole of The Marmalade King.
Good call Nate, that was the day. ICP in the tent on King St. around noon (I was there early while staff was setting up the bar, and Han played a great duet with the cash register ringing off the total from the night before), Clusone at the Music Gallery at around 6, then Hemingway at the Riv. It was the quintet because Reijseger was part of all three shows. I remember because after seeing the orchestra, my wife thought he was so good that she would go to the rest of the shows with me. We had a table at the front of the Riv that was touching the stage (friends not at Clusone show scored it for us), the best seat I've had for any show. And yeah, first set was three or four pieces from various records, second set was Marmalade King (before it was recorded maybe, definitely before it was released).
And yeah, it used to be a great festival. I lived about 125 miles away but some years I drove in 3 or 4 times during the week. The last couple of years I lived there (left in 2000) I don't think I went for anything. By then, Guelph had taken over.
Captain Hate
February-26th-2004, 08:27 PM
This is a great thread and I doubt that I'll be able to get all my thoughts down on this post without some massive editing:
1. Allman Brothers Band around 1970 at Shady Grove outside of DC - I know these guys are rock but they totally turned my head around about long instrumental solos. I already had their first release on Capricorn so I knew that songs like "Dreams" and "Whippin Post" were pretty extended. What I didn't know was that not only would they be stretched out, but that Whippin Post would segue into Mountain Jam (and they played "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed", which hadn't been released then). I left there with a whole new idea of what music was about. Subsequently I heard an interview with Duane Allman on the radio in which he talked about his influences; it was the first time I heard Coltrane's "My Favorite Things".
2. Turn it Over - Tony Williams Lifetime - I heard all this shit about how good McLaughlin was but nothing really stuck with me until I picked this up. I absolutely hated the bullshit singing on this but LOVED Larry Young's mysterious organ playing. Big Nick, baby!!
3. Sun Ra at the Smiling Dog saloon around 1975- this was at a time when Ra played way too much synth for all the burn heads and I didn't enjoy that horseshit too much. What I did enjoy was all his big band charts and all those honking fucking horns led by the great one: John Gilmore. I saw the Arkestra at least a half a dozen times after that, but this really turned my head.
4. Johnny Griffin Quartet live at Cleveland State University around 1977 - this was at about the time that Return of the Griffin came out and the rest of the group was Ronnie Matthews, Idris Muhammed & Ray Drummond. Brother Griff played great but there was something that happened at the end of the concert in which they reached a crescendo that was like sensory overload.
5. Giant Steps - Coltrane - This is still my favorite by Trane; when you hear the opening notes you know you're in for something special.
6. Nice Guys - Art Ensemble of Chicago - I'd heard tons about these guys but their records were hard to get and then this comes out on ECM.
7. Air Song - Is that the name of the Japanese import that was their first release?? Anyway I spent a lot of jack on it but boy was it worth it; four long songs, all of which were masterpieces. Fred Hopkins was the first person to get me interested in bass solos.
8. Willem Breuker Kollektief on About Time - Ken Burns should be forced to listen to this until blood comes out of his ears. A perfect intro to Euro jazz.
9. Conference of the Birds - I had already "heard" this when my ears weren't ready for it and was totally confused. Then this buddy and I set out on a quest to understand Braxton through massive intake of reefer. Once we accomplished that (which took QUITE a while), we'd put this aside and slapped it on. Boy was it great.
10. Earth Beams - Adams/Pullen - I'd already bathed in the blood of the lamb by listening to a lot of CT and was suitably awed by it. But I picked this sucker up on a whim and was immediately taken in by it. Challenging but fun.
Can we expand this to 20; I'm not nearly done!!
SinginSumo
February-26th-2004, 09:24 PM
Go for it, Captain. This is a very pleasant side of you.
Come to think of it, consistently cool posts from everyone here!
stonemonkts
February-26th-2004, 09:59 PM
This is a wonderful thread. I live for those "holy crap" experiences as a music listener. I didn't elaborate on my epiphanies because most of those recordings speak for themselves (at least to the people reading this thread). With each of them I felt jaw-dropping holy crap bliss.
I wonder what will be the next one. Every time I order music I'm hoping for it. Of course I'm satisfied most of the time, thanks to the many people on this board, and my own fine taste. http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/images/icons/icon10.gif
I should have listed discovering this place among them too.
Captain Hate
February-26th-2004, 10:30 PM
Ok, if you insist:
11. Monk - The London Sessions - I'd heard plenty of Monk before but for some reason none of it totally resonated with me until I heard these outstanding trio releases. I was amazed at how Blakey managed to keep time with everything that was going on with Monk. After this it all sounded good.
12. Hal Russell Live at the Chicago Jazz Fest performing a tribute to Fred Astaire - Unfortunately I wasn't there for it but I taped it off of NPR and just pounded that sucker for months (too bad I wasn't there because I heard they had tap dancers flanking the stage). I believe that this performance set me up to appreciate Brotz, Vandermark et. al., because prior to this I thought Machine Gun was just a bunch of fucking noise. Now I can't get enough of it.
13. Chico Freeman - Kings of Mali - I bought this based on a five star review in Downbeat and it opened a lot of doors for me. Unfortunately I think this was the high point of Chico's career.
14. Atlantis - McCoy Tyner - Given to me as a birthday present and I pounded it for a long time. Where is the great Azar Lawrence?
15. AMM - Laminal disc 2 - this was probably my most recent epiphany; after listening to everybody rave about these guys I took the plunge. Disc 1 I didn't like much at all but when I first heard disc 2 everything stopped and I just paid total attention to every minute.
16. Dogon AD - Julius Hemphill - Arista Freedom brought out a shitload of GREAT releases; and it was always easy to find somebody who was f-ing giving them away. Hard to choose between this one and Coon Bidness; I think The Painter gives this one the nod.
17. Henry Threadgill's Very Very Circus Live at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History - as I was sitting through this I was thinking "I'm here watching the conceptual realization of a unique vision of music".
18. The Third World - Herbie Nichols - Remember those two-fers that Blue Note brought out in those jackets the color of grocery bags?? A buddy of mine at a record store urged me to buy it and I was totally captivated by his playing, particularly with Max Roach, from that point on.
19. Silent Tongues - Cecil Taylor - Another masterpiece on Arista Freedom. I had heard CT in the trio w/Lyons & Murray and the Cecil Taylor Unit on New World Records, but nothing had prepared me for the intensity of his solo performances.
20. Conic Sections - Evan Parker - This forever changed the way I think of the sax being played and how the acoustics of a room get played.
Nate Dorward
February-26th-2004, 11:41 PM
Hm, now I'm feeling better about missing that Lacy gig--that would have been when I was doing summer courses at U of T in the early 1990s, & I decided not to skip out on class to see Lacy play. Stupid decision, nonetheless. I've seen Lacy on the one other occasion he played Toronto since then--a duet with Danilo Perez at Harbourfront, which was very good (it was billed as a Monk concert, but actually they only played two Monk tunes, the rest was their own tunes, & that was fine by me); plus the double gig at Guelph last year, which included a very fine solo set & a good quartet concert.
Oh well, here goes anyway, a quick list of key albums in rough chronological order of contact.
Max Morath, a 2LP set of ragtime tunes
Bix Beiderbecke, "Flashes" (sheet music, he never recorded it)
Thelonious Monk, Brilliance (2fer set with 5xMonkx5 + Brilliant Corners)
Eric Dolphy, Out to Lunch
George Russell, a 2fer set I think called Outer Thoughts
Mal Waldron, Hard Talk
Bennie Wallace/Yosuke Yamashita, Brilliant Corners
Charlie Parker, the Dial sides
Iannis Xenakis, the 2CD set by the Ardittis
Art Pepper, Meets the Rhythm Section
The Art of Larry Young (Unity was unobtainable at the time)
John Zorn, Spillane
Parker/Guy/Lytton, Atlanta--actually I hated the trios & bass solo, it was the solo soprano piece I liked, & it's still one of the EP solos I like most (not least because it's a rare example of his doing this work in a non-resonant acoustic)
AMM, Newfoundland
Guy/LJCO, Harmos
Steve Earle, El Corazon
Looking at that none of it seems terribly meaningful deprived of context but I don't know if I want to flesh it out in gruesome detail. Actually probably most of these are less important than other things like concertgoing & playing piano & hanging out at the music shop with Mike MacNeil & Daniel Heikalo, but I find it hard to remember any of that stuff in detail. Most of the really good concerts I've attended are clustered in the early 1990s, when the Toronto festival was still going strong, I caught a few good things in the UK (Cambridge gigs by Bailey, Fell, E Parker), there was the odd thing in Halifax (two excellent nights by John Abercrombie's organ trio, e.g.) & I went to a couple of Victoriaville fests--the first was mostly great, the second wasn't so good.
Chris A
February-27th-2004, 12:22 AM
My interest was sparked by a Bessie Smith recording I happen upon while turning the dial on my radio (Copenhagen, around 1948).
Found and borrowed Lennie Tristano Trio and Library of Congress chain gang recordings in a dark corner of the U.S. Information Service's Copenhagen library's collection of "American Music"--the only recordings there that even remotely related to jazz.
Bought John Kirby band's "Dawn on the Desert"/"The Turf" in Copenhagen's largest dept. store, because it was the only jazz disc available there (prob. 1949). Started spending all my money (measly sums) on second-hand 78s, which were plentiful.
Listening to jazz radio programs and reading books, I discovered new names every day, looked for recordings, and found myself totally immersed in Armstrong, Bechet, Morton, Oliver, Goodman, and, of course, Bessie.
One day I heard a strange recording, but while it had an oddly different sound, it was every bit as exciting as "Potato Head Blues" or "Breakfast Feud."--it was something by Bird and Dizzy, which led to more bop listening. I found it quite natural to move back and forth between Clarence Williams' Blue Five and a Dizzy quintet or between Duke's "Hot and Bothered" and "Conga Brava."
I had discovered a whole new world and I just wanted to hear it all, from the early New Orleans and Swing sides to then contemporary things like Stan Kenton's "Artistry in Rhythm," Erroll Garner, and even Nellie Lutcher (she's still kickin' at 91, BTW). In short, it was all great and I didn't mind overdosing on it.
When I first came across Coltrane, I really liked what I heard, but it did not give me the goose bumps I got from first hearing, say, the Hot Fives, Bessie, Bird and Diz, or Billie.
By 1959, I was living in Philly and many of the artists I admired had gone from being names on old labels to people I knew--some had even become friends. I took Elmer Snowden, in whose little band Duke had blossomed, to the Showboat to hear Ornette Coleman. Word of his radical approach had preceded him, so the place was packed, but most people only stayed for a little while--it was too unorthodox for them. Ornette's music was obviously out of the ordinary, but the rhythm was there, and it was strong. Elmer was counting bars and shaking his head, but he rather liked it--after all, like so many of the early musicians, he had lived through the evolution of the music, and kept up with it.
The following year, I moved to New York where the loft scene was unfolding--I heard a lot of truly dreadful sounds that tried to pass as avant garde, but I also experienced for the first time Cecil Taylor, got to know Ornette better, and made yet another smooth transition. All the old performances I had listened to since first hearing Bessie on the radio sounded as good as ever, and when I met people whose jazz taste was even slightly myopic, I was amazed. Even more amazing to me was the fact that--while working as a disc jockey in Philly--I was several times asked to give talks on jazz to predominantly black audiences. They seemed equally surprised to find someone from Europe giving the talks.
Today, after listening to jazz for some 56 years, and being involved in it for about 50, I still enjoy it all, but I must confess that I no longer keep up with it as much as I should. There was a time when I listened to just about every new artist--it was my job to do so, but it was also something I wanted to do. I am too far behind in my listening now, and probably missing out on a lot of good things, but I think it's ok.
Not exactly ten epiphanies, but I have had them and they are far more numerous--every time I hear an exciting new artist or a special performance, I have an epiphany. Finally, there were also artists along the way whose music did little or nothing for me, even some who have a sizable following, but they were clearly a minority.
Our Singing Sumo may well regret having encouraged me to post this. :)
PHILLYQ
February-27th-2004, 02:42 PM
Here’s ten:
1) Mahavishnu Orchestra, Central Park, 1972- I was 16 and had bought ‘The Inner Mounting Flame’ about a month before. I listened to it every day and couldn’t figure out what was going on. This concert was the revelation where it all made sense.
2) Live/Evil- I started looking for anything with McLaughlin on it, and I happened across Live/Evil. This led me to Keith Jarrett, Jack DeJohnette, etc.
3) Miles Davis, various venues, 1973/4(about 9 gigs)- Live/Evil made me want to see him live, and this band blew me away completely. It was a musical gumbo of jazz horns, funk bass, psychedelic guitar & African percussion. After one of those gigs I was usually exhausted and left wondering if there was anything more anyone could with music- I might have reached the jazz equivalent of climbing Mount Everest!
4) Sonny Rollins, Carnegie Hall, 1974- Freddie Hubbard was supposed to be the guest artist, but he was a no-show. Instead, Mingus & Diz showed up and tore the roof off the joint!
5) Herbie Hancock, City Center, 1978?- The concert was billed as a HH retrospective. The first group was VSOP playing ‘Maiden Voyage’. This was my first time seeing Tony Williams play, and the set was simultaneously sublime & smoking.
6) Arthur Blythe, The Bottom Line, 1979?- this was the group with Tuba,cello,electric guitar & drums. They went way out improvising but also swung very hard. After this one, I realized that it didn’t matter what the instrumentation was, it was what the players did with it.
7) Benefit concert for Jimmy Lyons, Public Theatre, 1986?- World Saxophone Quartet started their set with Bluiett coming out alone and playing the riff to ‘Hattie Wall’, and then the individual players came out one by one and joined in. They blew everyone away. At the same concert, I also saw Sun Ra. I knew nothing about Ra, and I saw this aggregation of folks in space costumes- WTF??!! They opened with some very out stuff, then launched into some straight swing. WOW!
8) Benefit for WRVR radio, 197?, Beacon Theatre- Jackie Bayard came out and played solo. He started out with some pretty avant garde stuff, played a head and then proceeded to move backwards in jazz history, playing the head and then soloing in the next style. He finished up playing ragtime to a standing ovation and much screaming! It was the history of jazz piano in about ten minutes! Tony Williams also played at this concert-solo. I had never seen anybody play drums solo, and he floored me completely, playing melody & rhythm on the drums.
9) Sonny Rollins, Village Vanguard, 1973(about 7 times)- This group had Rufus Harley playing soprano sax & bagpipes, Stanley Cowell on piano, Masuo on guitar, etc. They were amazing every time, and Sonny Rollins had jaws dropping every night when he did his a capella solos- as far out as he went, he always managed to return to the tune.
10) Lester Bowie & the Brooklyn Hip-Hop Feelharmonic, Prospect Park(Brooklyn), don’t remember what year- Lester Bowie put together a huge band of about 30 pieces that swung, went out and then came back in. Along the way he brought out half a dozen rappers, and somehow he made the whole thing cohere! Lester also played some incredible trumpet that night besides conducting the group.
Pete C
February-27th-2004, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by PHILLYQ
4) Sonny Rollins, Carnegie Hall, 1974- Freddie Hubbard was supposed to be the guest artist, but he was a no-show. Instead, Mingus & Diz showed up and tore the roof off the joint!
I was there too. And it looks like we're the same age (and both Broeklundians).
SinginSumo
February-27th-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Chris A
Our Singing Sumo may well regret having encouraged me to post this. :)
Hardly, Chris. I smiled through the whole post.
jazzfiend
February-27th-2004, 05:31 PM
Captain Hate & all y'all:
Marvelous recollections & emotionalisms!
Looks like I'll have to jog my fading memories and check back with y'all.
For starters:
Miles with Cannon & Trane at the Blackhawk in SF (57 or 58)
Coltrane quartet at the Jazz Workshop in SF changed my (musical) life.
Ornette at the Both/And club opened my mind to freedom & pure joy in music.
Art Pepper at the Jazz Workshop with his quartet: unadulterated magic!
Johnnie Ray at the Fairmont Hotel somewhere around 55 or 56.
jazzy mary
February-27th-2004, 06:53 PM
Nice thread idea, Pete.
Let me see--I can't think of ten now but here are ones that come immediately to mind:
BIG # 1 and what started it for me: Hearing the Charlie Parker soundtrack on Louis Malle's Film "Murmur of the Heart". My life changed that night and I *knew* it. The next day I went out and bought my first jazz record "Charlie Parker Night & Day"' (because I loved Cole Porter). Every time I got my allowance I bought a Charlie Parker record--I still have them all--that led to John Coltrane, Miles, Sonny etc. I was 14.
2. Leon Thomas "Live in Berlin" (some deep, deep sh*t).
3. Tom Harrell
4. Bill Evans
5. Ron Horton
6. first time I really, really listened to Johnny Hodges (where had I been??)
7. Ella--always
hmmm I'll come back for 8-10.
kenny weir
February-27th-2004, 08:37 PM
Wow, what an inspiring thread. Quite a few years ago now I initiated a series for the my newspaper called Religious Experiences in which the music-crazed staff members (and other music nutters about town) wrote about their most moving/spiritual/mind-blowing musical experiences. We then aske them to list three "honourable mentions". It was great fun, but sadly ran out of legs after about a year. Getting people to think/talk about such things is one thing; getting them to sit down and write about it turned out to be quite another. I think it's a great book idea.
Anyway, I post my effort in the series (it kicked it off) here and hope some may find it worth a read:
Sunday Herald Sun
SUN 28 MAY 2000, Page 083
Why my thinking's muddy
By: KENNY WEIR
Muddy Waters, Christchurch Town Hall, New Zealand, 1973
The great gigs, those mind-shredding live music events, are moving experiences. KENNY WEIR, introducing a new column, testifies they can also be profoundly spiritual and revealing occasions
PERHAPS it was the blunt audacity that let me get away with it.
After all, I was meant to be knuckling down for serious study and "cramming'' for exams that were not only to prepare me for working life, but also ascertain what kind of shape that life might take.
Small wonder, then, my parents expressed dismay when I calmly revealed I not only had booked a ticket for a blues show in Christchurch, hundreds of kilometres north of our Dunedin home, but also a return bus fare.
Worse, from their point of view, this outrageous excursion would entail taking two days off school.
So embroiled was I in the excitement of adventure, it was only years later that I came to understand just how muted my folks' objections had been.
Little did any of us know that what I was to witness, hear and experience at that show was to have everlasting and monumental repercussions that made my subsequent dismal academic record appear of no consequence whatsoever.
By 1973, I was already a crazed music fan, ears glued to the radio at every opportunity.
But I had grown tired of the poppery of the Beatles and such like and was on the prowl for tougher and more soulful sounds.
That meant the wild guitar of Jimi Hendrix and the gritty R&B of such outfits as the Animals.
However, as I set forth for Christchurch, the blues remained an enigma.
It was a few years before I subscribed to the British magazine, Blues Unlimited, and my blues collection comprised one album apiece by John Lee Hooker and Lightnin' Hopkins.
Muddy Waters then was no more than a name - but I knew, beyond doubt, that he was very, very cool.
But even that certainty in no way prepared me for music so amazing, so swinging, so full of heart and soul. So, well, in the groove.
And that was even before "The Man'' swept on to the stage - the band of guitarists Sammy Lawhorn and Pee Wee Madison, harmonica man "Mojo'' Buford, pianist "Pinetop'' Perkins, drummer Willie "Big Eye'' Smith and bassist Calvin ``Fuzzy'' Jones were hipness incarnate.
As for Muddy, in 1973 it was only a handful of years earlier that he was the reigning king of the Chicago blues clubs - the Hoochie Coochie Man lauded for marrying the gutbucket blues of the Delta with the grit and electricity of the urban north.
At the top of his game, he had a princely grace and dignity.
His slide guitar was full of bite and menace, with a sense of style and taste of which hysterical, bombastic latter-day practitioners of that particular style can only dream.
Had I been able to articulate my thoughts amid that all-consuming blues fire, they might have run thus: "Right - this is what I'm gonna do with the rest of my life.''
And - as writer, broadcaster, proselytiser and zealot - that is how it's been.
What a trip.
Honorable mentions
Grateful Dead, Winterland, San Francisco, 1976
Flamin' Groovies, Roundhouse, London, 1978
Solomon Burke, New Orleans Municipal Auditorium, 1994
******
Any other Jazz Epiphanies are less of the struck-by-lightning variety than of a sort of setting the scene for eventual jazz fandom:
The aforementioned Grateful Dead, but really only the live albums.
The Allman Brothers - Eat A Peach, Fillmore East, Brothers and Sisters
(And, BTW, why haven't two drummers been used more often in jazz?)
Western swing: Cliff Bruner, Adolph Hofner, Milton Brown, the Wills brothers, Moon Mullican, Smokey Woods, Hank Penny and all the rest. After immersion for a couple of decades in the music of these hip cats, the move to Basie and Ellington was a breeze.
Deep soul: ditto.
Blue-eyed soul: Thank you Van, Eddie Hinton, TJ White and Co and et al.
The New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival: I attended about half a dozen times spread over a decade or so from 1986. Crucially, I hooked into the ReBirth and other young brass bands, which led me directly to Jelly Roll Morton.
jazzfiend
February-28th-2004, 02:49 PM
Forgot to list one of the great ones:
Jimi Hendrix - at Winterland and the Berkeley Community Theatre (1969)
also,
Sinatra at the Circle Star theatre (in the 70's)
Mark Murphy at the old Yoshi's club on Claremont (late 80's)
Sarah at the Circle Star (70's)
Carmen McRae somewhere in SF (70's)
Anita O'Day at the Plush Room (80's)
Pete C
February-28th-2004, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by jazzfiend
Carmen McRae somewhere in SF (70's)
If I'm not mistaken, the one time I saw her was at her last club engagement ever (Blue Note).
Dibble
February-28th-2004, 09:54 PM
When I left my parent s house to live alone..I stole my dads vinyl recording of Miles Davis Porgy and Bess..I couldnt leave without it..and he still doesnt know!!
Tanager
February-29th-2004, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Dibble
When I left my parent s house to live alone..I stole my dads vinyl recording of Miles Davis Porgy and Bess..I couldnt leave without it..and he still doesnt know!!
I stole Dad's vinyl of KOB...he knew, and he said I could keep it, he wasn't a fan. Different strokes...and Dad gets creds for introducing me to Basie, Pete Johnson/Albert Ammons, and Benny Goodman.
walto
March-1st-2004, 03:20 PM
quote
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Originally posted by Dibble:
When I left my parent s house to live alone..I stole my dads vinyl recording of Miles Davis Porgy and Bess..I couldnt leave without it..and he still doesnt know!!
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Bad news--I'm telling him tomorrow morning. ;)
jazzy mary
March-1st-2004, 04:04 PM
Walto, if the Dad hasn't noticed, he must not have been all that attached to them. Dibble is probably safe from paternal wrath.
Here are a couple of more for me: Billie Holiday "Lady in Satin". These experiences I've written about in my ephiphanies aren't just experiences that make me think about jazz differently, but these kindof experiences--Billie, Ella, Bill Evans, Bird make you think about *LIFE* in new and deeper ways!
Dinah Washington: I couldn't btelieve it, for the longets time I just didn't "get" her. I didn't dig her (I'm *ashamed* to say) then, almost all at once, I GOT her--now I can't live without her!
Dibble
March-1st-2004, 10:21 PM
Told him on Sunday..lol..he had accused mum of breaking it and not owning up!!
Another for me..recent purchase..Kind of Blue..Miles again..and a friend recommending Eddie Jefferson..in the last year and I had never heard of him..!!! And Joe Willaims..again new to me..and same friend recommending Anita ODay...so speaks a frustrated talentless singer
Sorry..attempting to learn!!
Lady LCD
April-9th-2004, 06:03 PM
Okay, I *just* found this site and this is the very first thread I have had the pleasure of reading all the way through. WOW!
Thank You to everyone for an amazing list of memory ticklers and just plain goose bumps. There are SO many things, on your lists, that made me grin from ear to ear with my own memories. I have only one (okay, two) to add at this point... My fisrt post here.
- The very first time I picked up a baritone saxophone changed my life and my view of everything jazz, forever. It was if I had been handed something magical. Today, I really know that everything about that day would go in to who I became and the music I loved. It was really, for me, the day I knew that I couldn't *not* be a musician.
- The very first time I heard the Glenn Miller Orchestra. I can remember every note of 'Pennsylvania 6-5000'. It quite literally made the world stop around me. I am nearly certain that this is why I can spell Pennsylvania correctly today.
Thanks again for the most amazing lists and the greatest thread. I can't think of a better way to start here :)
steve(thelil)
April-11th-2004, 12:54 PM
No particular order:
1) At about 12 years old, listening to a jazz anthology my father owned and loving a Charlie Parker tune. The title escapes me.
2) Stan Getz/Astrud Gilberto (again, my father's collection)
3) Seeing Mahavishnu live, Union College, 1971-72 school year. It made me decide I had to explore jazz NOW (then).
4) In a Silent Way
5) Seeing James Carter live at the Iridium during his first (much hyped) leader gig. I thought he and the scene were the coolest things ever.
6) Sonny Rollins Live, Troy Music Hall (maybe 1994?)
7) King Sunny Ade live at Tramps (maybe 1994?)
8) Eric Dolphy's Out to Lunch (it made me realize "out" could make sense.
9) Discovering Monk: Someone writes these tunes? They don't just exist as part of the natural order of things?
10) Meeting Steve Reynolds and discovering that the same things that irked me in cyberspace made him loveable in person.
11) Listening to Han Bennink with one hand up my butt.
mjb
April-11th-2004, 06:07 PM
11) Listening to Han Bennink with one hand up my butt.
Han may well be the best one handed drummer going.
moneyp
April-11th-2004, 06:37 PM
I'm not much of an epiphany person, so only one major one, really, which was Mingus Ah Um, the album that started me on this slippery slope.
A lot of "boy, this artist/album is really great" moments, though.
Matthew
April-13th-2004, 11:58 PM
Just recently had a very powerfull "Epiphany" experience, which was listening to Cecil Taylor's It Is in the Brewing Luminous. After listening to it, I was just overwhelmed by the beauty and intensity of it. Toward the end you had Taylor soloing with Murry playing the cymbals above it; then Lyons just blowing like a mother, with Taylor pounding underneath him; until the end, where Taylor "sings", and then silence. I was speachless after it was all over. Amazing music.
Pete C
April-14th-2004, 12:29 AM
No particular order:
1) At about 12 years old, listening to a jazz anthology my father owned and loving a Charlie Parker tune. The title escapes me.
When I was about 8 or 9 I found a 10-LP set on Roulette in the family collection that had a bunch of stuff recorded for Roulette as well as labels they had the rights to at the time, including Dial & Roost. Bird's "Crazeology" was one of the first tracks that hooked me.
pollo loco
April-14th-2004, 12:48 AM
I believe the recording that caught my interest more than any other was "Oscar Peterson et Joe Pass a la Salle Pleyel." Those chase choruses on "Honeysuckle Rose" did it for me.
pl
sonic1
April-16th-2004, 02:56 PM
By far the most important impression on me (being a 30-something) was when I was in high school listening to vassar college radio station and they played a piece of music by Anthony Braxton-the improvised piece of music on the "In the Tradition vol. 2" album. I had never heard that sort of improvised music before and it drew me deep into jazz.
The next most significant jazz experience was hearing, not long after that, the European improvisors like Evan Parker, Alexander von Schlippenbach, Han Bennink, Fred Van Hove, et. al. It became a passionate search for me to find more of this music, and amazingly so still is.
Of course John Coltrane, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman and Cecil Taylor were important but I was told they would be so I don't consider those epiphanies. However when I started listening to people like Andrew Hill and Sam Rivers I got hooked into the jazz that blurred lines between hard bop and avant-garde.
Finally I got to understanding and loving the likes of Bird, Ellington, and all the other icons of jazz history. This is sort of backwards being the age I am I grew up with an ear for dissonance and had to learn to appreciate consonance. Before I got into jazz, Sonic Youth was my darling band.
Not jazz, Keiji Haino and his many projects became another important musical epiphane. And recently I have been discovering many more of the Japanese improvisors. A larger scene than I expected.
Jared
alanvj
April-26th-2004, 08:51 PM
Just found this place, and this is my first contribution.
Clifford Brown, Joy Spring. It's absolutely like a light bulb going on in a dim room. I was bagging school, hanging out at the Free Library of Philadelphia main building, listening to old records they had on these really terrible turntables and crummy headphones - and it still didn't matter, it was like absolute joy dancing inside me.
I can still listen to my latest CD version of it and it continues to amaze me - his solo, the group's interaction, everyone trading fours with Max. Amazing.
Second most amazing - Rahsaan in live performance. This man was a virtual incarnation of the African Diaspora aesthetic. Fuzzy tone, amazing rhythm, showmanship that wouldn't stop, nose flute, humor, funky as all hell, again simply amazing! And the truth is, the music even without the visuals was outstanding - but putting it all together was so incredible. In fact, I think he generate as much visual/aural excitement as the entire Sun Ra Arkestra, all by himself!
Richardo Caerleoni
May-6th-2004, 06:23 PM
The Original: My brother, ten years older than me and in the merchant navy, bringing a stack of records back from the States, one of which was a Fats Domino EP with “So Long” on it. This embedded itself in mind then (I was eight) and is still there, for Fats, the song and the gorgeous Alto solo. (Hardersley ?)
Along the Way: Living in France in my teens and listening to French Radio: There was a programme late afternoon that always played all types of music in one stream. One afternoon they played Ray Charles’s “Rockhouse” and I was hooked.
Hearing Ravel on the radio followed by Monk – so became hooked on Monk – It was “Nutty” from Prestige.
Hearing Jackie Mclean on a second hand Art Blakey JM LP that was scratched to hell, but McLean just burst out. – So hooked on Jackie for life.
And finally Coltrane: First European tour and I managed to meet him backstage very briefly. A humble, kind and generous man who answered all my stupid questions with great patience. After that, there could be no more highs…
Except! Being in Ronnie Scott’s Old Place in London one night in the late 60s with John Surman, Mike Osborne etc. and a balding American saxophonist/flutist came in and asked sit in. Everyone was reluctant, but he tore the place down. I’ve always thought it was Dick Hafer, who played on Mingus’s Black Saint, but never confirmed it….but a staggering night.
Oh! and seeing Billy Higgins and Harold Land for the first time !!!!!
grove47
May-9th-2004, 10:09 PM
When I was 11 years old I bought a Buddy DeFranco record called 'Blues Bag' for some reason ( it was 50 cents). He was playing the bass clarinet, an instrument I'm sure I had never heard. Contained within were the musical talents of "Abdullah Buhaina" aka Art Blakey, also Victor Feldman and Victor Sproles were in the rhythm section. Lee Morgan, Freddie Hill (!) and Curtis Fuller were on some tunes. The groove on that record is incredible and Buddy's solos are very melodic. I recently bought the CD.
I also have to say that the playing of my teacher at my first lesson when I was 9 (in 1965) was a complete revelation. He played a few things and I immediately knew what the drums were supposed to sound like. It's a sound I have carried in my head for all of these years, an unattainable and beautiful expression.
I saw Tony Williams w/ the original Lifetime in February '71, which was an experience that left me wondering what could possibly be next.
Over the next 33 years many revelations have expanded my consciousness, but those are some early ones that shaped my life.
hornplayer
May-10th-2004, 03:11 PM
I don't know that there are ten, but.......
Recorded..
Miles Davis, Kind of Blue (I grew up listening to Jazz... the big bands, Art Tatum... but this was "different!")
Stan Kenton, Back to Balboa
Bill Evans, Waltz for Debby
John Coltrane, Love Supreme
Live..
Miles Davis (and buddies) at the Plugged Nickel
JJ Johnson with his 4-trombone front line (Kai, Slide, Curtis Fuller) at the London House in Chicago
1979 Joe Williams with Count Basie at a dinner dance in Chicago.... didn't change my "listening," but it sure did change my life! :)
Russell Malone with Norman Simmons at Bradleys
In It...
Governors State University Big Band at Notre Dame Jazz Festival in 74.... when I realized I could sound "like that!"
Scott Dolan
May-11th-2004, 12:55 AM
Man, I'm sorry I missed this one. I don't know if there are actually ten, but here goes:
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
My first "true" Jazz album. I swear I listened to this thing ten times before it finally registered. But when it did, it really hit me like a ton of bricks. Call me a romantic, but I still consider this to be the greatest Jazz album ever made.
Dizzy Gillespie - Dizzy's Diamonds
Not the entire set, but the opening track on disc 2. Blue N Boogie. The solo that the GREAT J.J. Johnson plays on this piece is still one of the greatest solos I have ever heard!
Thelonious Monk - Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane
I had been having a really hard time understanding what Monk was about. After one listen to his brilliant workout of Functional at the end of this album, I finally "got" what he was doing.
John Coltrane - Live At The Village Vanguard
All I ever used to hear and read was how Coltrane was this grand master, but the things that I had heard him do with Miles and Monk hadn't left the same impression(oops, no pun intended)on me. This box set was quite possibly the most important acquisition that I ever made. I was totally bewildered by the opening track, India. But after it was done, I went back and listened to it again and again(JUST India!!!). After that my Jazz addiction got hot and heavy and my wallet got light and empty. Oh, and eventually I DID listen to the rest of the tunes. ;)
Albert Ayler Trio - Spiritual Unity
This album still amazes me as much now as it did the very first time I heard it. I actually feel physically spent after listening to this album.
Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth
I still don't know how to define this album. No one stands out here, yet everyone plays at the highest level possible. Great writing and arrangements. Just brilliant from start to finish. There are no weak points to this album that I have ever found.
Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch
This is circus music, right? I'm still shocked by this album, if only because it certainly isn't Eric's best as a player. It opened up a whole new possiblity of what Jazz could be.
William Parker/In Order To Survive - The Peach Orchard
and
William Parker - Painters Spring
The former for Cooper-Moore. The latter? HAMID, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!
Keith Jarrett - The Koln Concert
Solo piano? Nah. This mother is a whole band in and of himself. The concept sounds boring. The actual execution is mind numbing! One of the best ever!
crawjo
May-11th-2004, 01:26 AM
Great list, Scott. I still need to get the Peach Orchard. Lately, I've been digging a bit into Parker's Little Huey Creative Orchestra stuff, particularly the Mayor of Punkville, which I like a great deal. My favorite Parker album remains either O'Neal's Porch or Scrapbook, but I love Painter's Spring, too. Parker and Drake sound fantastic on that record, but I think sometimes Daniel Carter gets overlooked. He's absolutely integral to what makes that album work.
Basically, I love everything William Parker has done. I have yet to encounter a mediocre album in which he was the leader.
mke
May-11th-2004, 03:32 AM
Keith Jarrett - The Koln Concert
Solo piano? Nah. This mother is a whole band in and of himself. The concept sounds boring. The actual execution is mind numbing! One of the best ever!
What's the concept behind the album?
Scott Dolan
May-11th-2004, 12:42 PM
What's the concept behind the album?
Solo piano.
At that point in my listening, this just sounded like it would be very boring to me.
Pete C
May-11th-2004, 03:16 PM
Solo piano.
At that point in my listening, this just sounded like it would be very boring to me.
I love solo piano, yet Jarrett's 70's marathons don't do it for me.
Scott Dolan
May-11th-2004, 03:23 PM
I love solo piano, yet Jarrett's 70's marathons don't do it for me.
Any particular reason why?
Pete C
May-11th-2004, 03:58 PM
Any particular reason why?
I find them rather bombastic, over-romantic and self-important.
I very much like the later Vienna Concert, which is an oddity. It is very minimalist. At times it veers toward the new-agey, but for the most part I find it really beautiful and quietly intense.
Scott Dolan
May-11th-2004, 04:50 PM
I find them rather bombastic, over-romantic and self-important.
I very much like the later Vienna Concert, which is an oddity. It is very minimalist. At times it veers toward the new-agey, but for the most part I find it really beautiful and quietly intense.
Yeah, I can agree with you here. But I guess the bombast is kinda what hooks me as well. I think his solo piano work is much more of an acquired taste than his trio and quartet albums.
And yes, the Vienna Concert is truly his best as far as I'm concerned. Possibly his most beautifully introspective album. Sometimes his introspection tends to bog his music down. This was the rare occassion that it fit perfectly.
Scott Dolan
May-11th-2004, 04:52 PM
It is very minimalist.
I think the first movement of La Scala(something like 55 minutes long)also fits this description. Although incredibly long, the piece is very contemplative and understated.
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