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digital
April-14th-2004, 05:01 PM
we all know of standards based on rhythm changes.
but now I'm looking for standards who use only the A part of rhythm or only the B part of rhythm .
anyone can help me with this strange question ?
Thanks.

digital
April-14th-2004, 05:34 PM
the bridge of caravan is kind of the same harmony as the rhythm bridge.
this is what I'm looking for.

Pete C
April-14th-2004, 05:43 PM
Scrapple from the Apple. The A section is Honeysuckle Rose.

graypencil
April-15th-2004, 02:37 PM
If you double the bar lengths of the bridge changes ( four bars per chord change as opposed to two) ..

you essentially have the changes of Sweet Ga Brown (minus the turnarounds )

Pete C
April-15th-2004, 03:25 PM
According to this Fats Navarro discography, both "Good Bait" and "Webb City" have a "Rhythm" A section with a different bridge.

http://csis.pace.edu/~varden/navarro/discog.html

bluenoter
April-15th-2004, 04:28 PM
According to this Fats Navarro discography, both "Good Bait" and "Webb City" have a "Rhythm" A section with a different bridge.

http://csis.pace.edu/~varden/navarro/discog.htmlIs that what Digital is talking about--the changes to "I Got Rhythm"? If not, what's a "rhythm change"?

cookie
April-15th-2004, 05:01 PM
"Cloudburst" uses Rhythm changes for the A sections, but has a different bridge.

graypencil
April-15th-2004, 05:36 PM
" Good Bait"s Bridge section is the same thing as A..up a fourth ..

bluenoter
April-15th-2004, 05:40 PM
Is that what Digital is talking about--the changes to "I Got Rhythm"? If not, what's a "rhythm change"?Yo, don't all answer me at once! :cool:

graypencil
April-15th-2004, 05:50 PM
Yo, don't all answer me at once! :cool:


the plural "CHANGES" makes a big difference:

rhy. changeS = the chord changes of I got Riddum ..

these same changes are the basis for many contrafacts that have been created on the chordal scheme ( I know what the next question is gonna be.. :D )

a rhythm CHANGE would be segueing from a Strauss waltz to a Boogaloo ...

bluenoter
April-15th-2004, 06:29 PM
( I know what the next question is gonna be.. :D )The next question is gonna be, "How come you didn't just say yes?" :) But seriously, thanks, GP. It amazes me that everyone who posted knew that, even though "rhythm" wasn't capitalized.

Pete C
April-15th-2004, 06:32 PM
It amazes me that everyone who posted knew that, even though "rhythm" wasn't capitalized.

Nothing was capitalized except A, B, and Thanks!

iris
April-16th-2004, 11:40 AM
I guess I'm confused by the question. Are you looking for standards that consist only of the first 8 bars of a rhythm changes and have no other sections (just an A that repeats over and over)? Or a standard that consists of the first 8 bars of rhythm changes and has another section that is not the bridge of a rhythm section but something else.
Same question for the B section.
thanks

graypencil
April-16th-2004, 01:46 PM
I guess I'm confused by the question. Are you looking for standards that consist only of the first 8 bars of a rhythm changes and have no other sections (just an A that repeats over and over)? Or a standard that consists of the first 8 bars of rhythm changes and has another section that is not the bridge of a rhythm section but something else.
Same question for the B section.
thanks


that would be an affirmative on both ...

Pete C
April-16th-2004, 01:49 PM
I assumed he's looking for an AABA form where either A or B, but not both, is Rhythm.

Bruce Lindfield
April-20th-2004, 05:23 AM
the plural "CHANGES" makes a big difference:

rhy. changeS = the chord changes of I got Riddum ..

these same changes are the basis for many contrafacts that have been created on the chordal scheme ...

What's a "contrafact" !!!??

Is that a euphemism for something like the theme tune to "The Flintstones" ? ;)

graypencil
April-20th-2004, 03:13 PM
What's a "contrafact" !!!??

Is that a euphemism for something like the theme tune to "The Flintstones" ? ;)

THAT was the "next question" I expected :D


a contrafact is an original melody constructed over the chord changes of an existing standard melody..

bluenoter
April-20th-2004, 03:53 PM
Hey, are you gonna believe GP, a mere musician? I happen to know that a "contrafact" is

either

-- a true statement about a form of British folk dancing,

or

--a lie.

;)

mscv
April-20th-2004, 10:16 PM
The bridge to "Bernies Tune" (oddly by Bernie Miller) bears resemblence to Rhythm Changes' A section

graypencil
April-21st-2004, 02:30 PM
The bridge to "Bernies Tune" (oddly by Bernie Miller) bears resemblence to Rhythm Changes' A section

the first four bars do ( Bb: 1/6/2/5 and repeat )

but the second four are differing a bit to get back to the minor A section )

(Bb: 1/6/2/5/ ! /1 /7dom /7dom=5 dom. of D minor )

JazzAt52ndStreet
June-4th-2004, 02:00 AM
....I think he means a song where the form is just the first four bars because the B section is tougher to solo over.....If that's the case there is no shame in just soloing over the A section.

-52nd

tippy
June-4th-2004, 01:25 PM
Hey, are you gonna believe GP, a mere musician? I happen to know that a "contrafact" is

either

-- a true statement about a form of British folk dancing,

or

--a lie.

;)

contra=against, fact=something that already exists; hence, musically, playing something new or different against (texturally) something that already exists :)