Vision Fest 2005

[Lois Gilbert]

Who has the dates?

[Gary Sisco]

The presenters? (Kidding, but you could just call them. They live right there in your town.)

Lois, the Vision Festival is held during the last week of May, to run through the long Memorial Day weekend. I believe it starts this year on the 25th.

[Lore]

In December I was told that the dates are scheduled for Wednesday May 25 through Monday May 30, though you might want to double-check on that.

[shrugs]

I heard they'll be lots of well, umm poetry and dance included.

[Root Doctor]

I heard they'll be lots of well, umm poetry and dance included.

Just for you, Shrugs!

[Pete C]

Dance is much better. You can close your eyes.

[Derek Taylor]

Paging Frisco :)

[Lois Gilbert]

I just wanted to start Jazz Festivals 2005 - I actually don't think the dates are out yet, but I'm hoping that we'll do something special with a JC hang that will be meeting some of the artists as well.

Lois

[Gary Sisco]

philistines

[Pete C]

I just wanted to start Jazz Festivals 2005 - I actually don't think the dates are out yet, but I'm hoping that we'll do something special with a JC hang that will be meeting some of the artists as well.

Lois
Great!

[Gary Sisco]

Isn't that what we always do? ;-)

[Frisco]

Paging Frisco :)

Frisco here, reporting for duty sir. Tired as hell from a quick, I mean quick journey in to Chicago with Brotzmann and co. I woke up this morning in Indiana and made it in to work for a half day.

Vision Festival. Ah yes. It looked as if Paul Dunmall was going to be there but now is without a gig. Hmmmm.......What happened?????

I found out last night that the Brotzmann Tentet will be playing Victoriaville Festival this year and should have a gig at Tonic in May. Also heard, back in Dec. that Little Huey Orchestra was invited to Victo as well. As for the Tentet, look for Per Ake Holmlander, Magnus Broo, and Paal Nilsson-Love to replace Mars Williams, Jeb Bishop, and Hamid Drake.

[Pete C]

I woke up this morning in Indiana and made it in to work for a half day.

That sounds like a blues line!

[Gary Sisco]

It probably was by the time the other half of the day was over.

[Derek Taylor]

Frisco here, reporting for duty sir. Tired as hell from a quick, I mean quick journey in to Chicago with Brotzmann and co. I woke up this morning in Indiana and made it in to work for a half day.

Pat, your stamina & passion are traits I can only aspire too. Sounds like a *killer* trip in both connotations of the word. Hey speaking of words, any word on when the upcoming Tentet rekkid on Okka will drop?

As for the Tentet, look for Per Ake Holmlander, Magnus Broo, and Paal Nilsson-Love to replace Mars Williams, Jeb Bishop, and Hamid Drake.

The Scandahoovians are taking over! :D

[Frisco]

Pat, your stamina & passion are traits I can only aspire too. Sounds like a *killer* trip in both connotations of the word. Hey speaking of words, any word on when the upcoming Tentet rekkid on Okka will drop?

Stamina? did someone say....zzzzz....... well, my initial intention was to stay on for Thurs. and possibly thru the weekend but work and family obligations dictated otherwise.

All I know is that the reason Peter was in Chi. was to help mix the recording. Not sure when the release is scheduled.

[Steve Reynolds]

even without Hamid

Holmlander is a monster as is the drummer

the day of the show at Tonic - if on a Saturday *demands* to be the day of the hang :D

sure hope the Dunmall situation is rectified - sure would love to see him (and Rogers - one would hope) again this year - been much too long - this time I want to sit next to Dr. Horn instead of Cherches.... :cool:

and even without Hamid - this year Theli will sit on the other side of me at the Tentet show - this is also a MUST!!!!

btw - who is Magnuss Broo and what be his voice of choice?

[jazzfiend]

Steve, Magnus Broo is an excellent trumpeter. Check out his fine work on Fredrik Nordstrom's marvelous release, Moment (Moserobie 18).

[Uli]

sure hope the Dunmall situation is rectified - sure would love to see him (and Rogers - one would hope) again this year - been much too long - this time I want to sit next to Dr. Horn instead of Cherches.... :cool:

and even without Hamid - this year Theli will sit on the other side of me at the Tentet show - this is also a MUST!!!!


I wanna hold hands with Ollie during the Anderson set.

[Pete C]

Uli, if you come to NY for Vision it would make my year.

[Other Steve]

I seem to recall Dennis Gonzalez posting somewhere -- maybe on his own site? -- that Downtown Music Gallery will be presenting an evening at this year's Vision Festival, and that he will be bringing Yells at Eels for the festivities.

Sadly, my longstanding pattern of having a conflict pretty much every time my old pal Dennis comes to New York City seems to be holding firm: I'll be in Los Angeles from Thursday to Monday of that week. (At least I've got a Falstaff and a Rosenkavalier to look forward to while I'm there...)

[walto]

I want to perform with Dunmall and Rogers there this year.


Now, somebody make it happen!

[Frisco]

NEW DATES ANNOUNCED:

JUNE 14-19
with 'Special Concert" JUNE 12

[Gary Sisco]

Well, that counts me out, all other factors to the contrary. Can't make those dates at all.

[Root Doctor]

I'll likely be heading to the Cape with my family on the 19th, so it looks like I'm out, too.

[Pete C]

I wonder why they changed the formula.

Where'd ya hear this, Pat?

[Gary Sisco]

Sucks. There wasn't a whole huge chance I'd get there for the traditional dates this year, but if those are going to be the dates, there's no chance at all, even for a rocket down and back.

[Pete C]

I wonder if they're doing it so NY can have a jazz festival while JVC presents their "jazz festival."

[Gary Sisco]

I don't know but it sucks. A man could starve in V-ville.

[Derek Taylor]

Yeah, this is really weird. What’s the skinny on the switch, Pat?

I want to perform with Dunmall and Rogers there this year.
Now, somebody make it happen!

So who you gonna have on drum kit? My vote is for Moholo if you can convince him to make the trip. :)

[Uli]

Hamid would kick his ass!

[Pete C]

I thought Walto was going to be paired with Henry Grimes in a grudge match.

[walto]

Yeah, this is really weird. What’s the skinny on the switch, Pat?



So who you gonna have on drum kit? My vote is for Moholo if you can convince him to make the trip. :)
I'll drag Kendig.

[walto]

In fact, who needs Rogers? Won't be no bass player when Nat C., Gary and I team up in the frozen tundra this March.

Hamid's too much of a gentleman for us, Uli.

[walto]

....but who's in charge of bringing Dunmall????

[Derek Taylor]

Does Steve R still have pull with the jolly-faced bagpiper? Maybe he can get the ducks to go forth in a row.

[walto]

Make it happen, Preach!

[Frisco]

I wonder why they changed the formula.
Where'd ya hear this, Pat?

-Got a message from Patricia regarding the Vision Club Series schedule. At the bottom she writes:
VISION FESTIVAL JUNE 14 through JUNE 19 SPECIAL CONCERT
JUNE 12. That's all I've heard at this point. This will be bad for me as well.
That's my last week of work before summer vacation. Not sure they'd
take well to me making myself scarce.

[Gary Sisco]

This is a real bummer for me. I'd pretty much adjusted myself to the idea that I couldn't afford to go this year at the regular time, but now, even if I were to come into a modest windfall that would have allowed it, I still can't. Now, that really sucks.

[bernard lyons]

This is the e mail I recieved about the dates..


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Greetings !

The dates for the Tenth Vision Festival are different than anticipated.

It will be from June 12 thru June 19. 2005.
It will take place at the Clemente Soto Velez at 107 Suffolk and Rivington in NYC.

It will be good.

Patricia Nicholson Parker
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I was also supposed to bring Dunmall and Rogers for a trio w. Kevin Norton (part of DMG curated night) but I have been informed that the trio cannot happen this year.Unfortunately the rest of the short tour is not possible without that date.

[Other Steve]

A R T S F O R A R T 508 East 6 Street, NYC 10009
646 331 1032 fax 212-533-1939 / www.visionfestival.org

From: The Vision Festival / www.visionfestival.org
PRESS Contact: Jim Eigo publicist@visionfestival.org / 845.986.1677

Vision Festival X
at Clemente Soto Velez
June 12 through June 19, 2005

New Location at Clemente Soto Velez with 2 theaters an art gallery and bar
Plenty of room to spread out and enjoy the music

"The Vision Festival is the best time to hear everybody and meet everyone. This music may be uncompromising, but the vibe couldn't be friendlier." – Francis Davis, Atlantic Monthly
"10th anniversary of a miracle"... Steve Dalachinsky

After one year it was a sensation. At five years it was a tradition. Now, ten years later, Arts for Art, Inc. is proud to announce the tenth year of the world’s foremost avantJazz festival.

We are proud to say that the Vision Festival is the most successful artist organized annual festival in the history of jazz. While jazz musicians have organized their own performance opportunities since the 1960s, no single event has matched the ongoing and building success of Vision, which celebrate its tenth year.

To commemorate our tenth year, the Festival boasts one of the most formidable line-ups in its history. Our new venue at Clemente Soto Velez features two theaters, two art galleries and a café for a highly warm atmosphere. In addition, the festival will kick off with a special Park on February 12.

Some of the Artists featured at Vision X
Fred Anderson - Harrison Bankhead - Billy Bang - Rob Brown - Han Bennink , Peter Brotzmann - Roy Campbell - Whit Dickey - Paul Dunmall - Hamid Drake, Douglas Ewart - Alvin Fielder - Lori Freedman - Charles Gayle - Eddie Gale, Henry Grimes - William Hooker - Joseph Jarman - Terry Jenoure - Kidd Jordan - Joelle Leandre - George Lewis - Maria Mitchell - Roscoe Mitchell- Joe Morris - David Murray - Patricia Nicholson - Evan Parker - William Parker - Paul Rogers - Sam Rivers - Matthew Shipp - Jorge Sylvester - Ijeoma Thomas - Oluyemi Thomas - Nasheet Waits - Reggie Workman - Other Dimensions in Music w/ Sound Vision Orchestra - Little Huey Creative Orchestra - Conceptual Motion Orchestra

We are very happy to present a Special Lifetime Recognition Award for Fred Anderson
This will be celebration on Fred Anderson Day, Thursday June 16, 2005. It will feature Fred Anderson, Kidd Jordan, George Lewis, William Parker, Joseph Jarman, Alvin Fielder, Harrison Bankhead, and other artists who have worked with Fred Anderson over the years.

TICKETS $25 per night - 7 Day Pass $140
Advance sales Downtown Music Gallery 212-473-0043 / email dmg@downtownmusicgallery.com
For updates www.visionfestival.org or call 212-696-6681

[Jon Abbey]

that's a nice venue, around the corner from Tonic, where we held ErstQuake in September and where the next AMPLIFY fest might be.

[Uli]

Great lineup, as always!

[Pete C]

Quite an impressive list. They must have been listening to all those folks who complain about too many Americans.

[Pete C]

that's a nice venue, around the corner from Tonic, where we held ErstQuake in September and where the next AMPLIFY fest might be.

Jon, how are the acoustics? They weren't very good at the Center on Mulberry.

[Jon Abbey]

Jon, how are the acoustics? They weren't very good at the Center on Mulberry.

there's two rooms as they mention, we used the bigger one for the two nights of ErstQuake, which is on the right as you walk in. there's not a built-in sound system, you need to supply your own, so it really depends. we used the Issue Project Room system, and it worked pretty well. however, we also chose to set up in the middle of the room rather than on the stage in the back. I was coincidentally talking to Tim Barnes earlier today about where we should do AMPLIFY in December and he was saying that for him, Clemente Soto Velez is a great place to play, he really likes the atmosphere.

if the Vision Fest set up in the middle of the room (the larger one), they could comfortably fit probably 120 people, but if they set up on the stage, it'll be closer to 200 capacity, but with a less intimate atmosphere and I'd think a worse acoustic. there are also fire codes for those rooms once you get to around 100 people, so that's a factor also.

the Lehn/Hemingway set next month is there, come down and see/hear for yourself!

[Pete C]

the Lehn/Hemingway set next month is there, come down and see/hear for yourself!

I'm not much of a Hemingway fan even when he plays the J-word music.

[bernard lyons]

The Vision Fest invited Dunmall and Rogers...but now the flights are looking ridiculously expensive!! (Air France always charges the price of another ticket for Rogers bass)

I will know by this evening whether this gig will happen..watch this space!

[Pete C]

(Air France always charges the price of another ticket for Rogers bass)


Don't all airlines, if the bass is taking a seat?

[Steve Reynolds]

lower the plane fares now

and I wanna see Evan Parker and Paul Dunmall on the stage together :)

and I will be there on the 16th of June - god willing

also nice to see the names of David Murray, Sam Rivers, Han Bennink & George Lewis

I don't think they have been at recent fests (not sure about last year as I wasn't there)

[Gary Sisco]

It's worth the price. Humankind has never made an airline proof case. (He said, sadly, having had his guitar smashed while in an "airline proof" hardcase.) Better to pay the fare than lose the bass.

[downtownmusic]

the Lehn/Hemingway set next month is there, come down and see/hear for yourself!

Just to clarify. The Vision Club sets are running in the small hallway part of the place near the bar. However the festival itself will take place in two theater halls.

[Jon Abbey]

Just to clarify. The Vision Club sets are running in the small hallway part of the place near the bar. However the festival itself will take place in two theater halls.

sorry, I need more clarification. the Lehn/Hemingway is part of the Vision Club series (I don't see a listing for this series on the web anywhere)? I didn't know that, I just knew it was at the Clemente Soto Velez Center also. so those shows are in the room next to the bar, or right out in the central space when you first walk in? how many people fit in that bar, 20-25? hmmm...

[Lore]

sorry, I need more clarification. the Lehn/Hemingway is part of the Vision Club series (I don't see a listing for this series on the web anywhere)? I didn't know that, I just knew it was at the Clemente Soto Velez Center also. so those shows are in the room next to the bar, or right out in the central space when you first walk in? how many people fit in that bar, 20-25? hmmm...

The Vision Club shows have been in the LES Gallery at CSV, which is "the room next to the bar." You walk through those big wooden doors in front and there you are in the performance space.

The Cooper-Moore + William Parker show I set up there last Sunday drew ~100 folks, so you can squeeze 'em in, maybe even a few more if they would dispense with the tables.

Don't know if that's where the VF proper will be happening, though.

[Jon Abbey]

The Vision Club shows have been in the LES Gallery at CSV, which is "the room next to the bar." You walk through those big wooden doors in front and there you are in the performance space.

The Cooper-Moore + William Parker show I set up there last Sunday drew ~100 folks, so you can squeeze 'em in, maybe even a few more if they would dispense with the tables.

Don't know if that's where the VF proper will be happening, though.

OK, I'm still confused here. Adam, you mean the room to the right when you walk in, right? that's one of the two theaters, the larger one (the smaller one is to the left and back a little bit).

the poster "downtownmusic" seemed to say something different from that, so I was looking for clarification from him.

[Lore]

OK, I'm still confused here. Adam, you mean the room to the right when you walk in, right? that's one of the two theaters, the larger one (the smaller one is to the left and back a little bit).

the poster "downtownmusic" seemed to say something different from that, so I was looking for clarification from him.

Sorry, Jon --- it does seem as if I'm just mucking up the works here. My apologies for that.

There's a space when you first walk in on the ground floor where events can happen. There's art on the walls and so forth. That space is the LES Gallery, where the Vision Club series has been taking place. (If you were to keep walking straight you'd go into the bar area.)

In that room there is a door on the right which leads to another space that is more of a black box theatre.

If you walk through the LES Gallery to the left and back a bit, near where one of the bathrooms is, there is another theatre space.

So, there's at least three different performance spaces on that floor.

Does that help? I was confused on my first visit as well. When I said, "I'm here to look at the LES Gallery" I was told, "You're in it!"

[Jon Abbey]

OK, now I'm clear, thanks.

like I said earlier in this thread, I curated a few nights there in September (in the room to the right that you call the "black box theater"), but I had no idea that the entry room there hosted shows, I figured that was just a lobby for the other rooms. I guess I'll see for myself in a few weeks at the Lehn/Hemingway thing, thanks...

[downtownmusic]

As Lore already explained, the club series shows are hosted in the lobby.

The listings of the series are right on the main page. Is it hard to find? I hoped that the site became clear and easy to use after it was redesigned. I would appreciate any input about its usability.

I'm new to this board. Does anybody know why don't I receive the email notifications even though the option to be subscribed to the topics I posted is on? The navigation is also confusing. For example it showed me only one page for this topic, but the last messages were not there.

[Jesse]

I'm new to this board. Does anybody know why don't I receive the email notifications even though the option to be subscribed to the topics I posted is on? The navigation is also confusing. For example it showed me only one page for this topic, but the last messages were not there.

A Bluenoter magnetic post!

;)

[downtownmusic]

A Bluenoter magnetic post!
Sorry, what that supposed to mean?

[Pete C]

Sorry, what that supposed to mean?

bluenoter eventually responds to all calls for technical help with detailed, user-friendly instructions.

[downtownmusic]

bluenoter eventually responds to all calls for technical help with detailed, user-friendly instructions.

Got it. I usually don't need technical help. Somehow I just expected the response like "don't worry these fancy features don't work here", then I would be satisfied. :)

[Jesse]

Sorry, what that supposed to mean?

DT:
I just saw your query. As Pete said, Bluenoter is a charming, in some fashion, irresistable poster here, who has saved my bacon more than once with tech advice.

:)

[Pete C]

http://jungle.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/gallery/bacon.jpg

[Jesse]

http://jungle.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/gallery/bacon.jpg

This metaphor from a vegetarian, speaking of cognitive dissonance.

:)

[Gary Sisco]

At least it's *American* bacon by Jesus.

[Dennis Gonzalez]

Ladies and Bruces...

Just talked to the curatrix of Vision Fest, Patricia Parker, and Dennis Gonzalez Yells At Eels has been confirmed for June 14!

Calling all Yells At Eels fans! Get your tickets early and often.

[bernard lyons]

Unfortunately..due to the ridiculous price of flights and exchange rate etc...Paul Dunmall and Paul Rogers will not be able to make the Vision Festival,
(unless someone fancies forking out $1900..thats the cheap rate for 3 seats)

The festival looks great..good European turnout and the Pauls are mightily pissed off.

Dunmall will be coming in Sept/Oct for some other gigs on the East Coast.

Thanks must go to the festival for the invitation ( and the support of various Jazz Corner people)...maybe next year??!!

[Gary Sisco]

Phew. Dunmall'd have to sell a fuckin' lot of CDs while here to pay for that.

You shoulda dragged your sorry ass to the Knit back when, Reynolds. Not only did they provide a great set, but they were fun to hang out at the bar with over a pint as well -- telling stories about you! Ha ha ha ha ha!

Maybe in the fall ...

[Jason Bivins]

Great news, Dennis! Unless the ol' UE tour conflicts with Vision, I plan to be there.

[Steve Reynolds]

it was a sorry ass - that's why I couldn't be there

I was there a year or two before to see them at the knit with Kevin Norton - it was indeed incredible despite what Cherches and Abbey thought. :D .....

looking forward to the 14th of June to see Dennis and the two killin' boys

and Sept/Oct is fine with me for the *great* combination of Rogers and Dunmall :)

[Pete C]

Unfortunately..due to the ridiculous price of flights and exchange rate etc...Paul Dunmall and Paul Rogers will not be able to make the Vision Festival,
(unless someone fancies forking out $1900..thats the cheap rate for 3 seats)


How does a favorable exchange rate make it more difficult for them?

[Jesse]

Ladies and Bruces...

Just talked to the curatrix of Vision Fest, Patricia Parker, and Dennis Gonzalez Yells At Eels has been confirmed for June 14!

Calling all Yells At Eels fans! Get your tickets early and often.

Dennis:
I am happy for you & the lads, a space where the unacquainted can hear you.
Have you or your sons attended Vision in years past?


I know next to nothing about the scale of Vision;average number of butts-in-seats per gig? Average number of folks at a gig that aren't friends/co-conspirators musically? (seriously, trying to get some sense of people who go, unaligned with the musician's axes).

You nutty N.Y.ers & your festivals...

[Jon Abbey]

How does a favorable exchange rate make it more difficult for them?

because I'm sure the flight is in pounds, whereas the organizers' money is in dollars.

[Pete C]

because I'm sure the flight is in pounds, whereas the organizers' money is in dollars.

Yeah, I forgot about the fee!

[Pete C]

Dennis:
I am happy for you & the lads, a space where the unacquainted can hear you.
Have you or your sons attended Vision in years past?


I know next to nothing about the scale of Vision;average number of butts-in-seats per gig? Average number of folks at a gig that aren't friends/co-conspirators musically? (seriously, trying to get some sense of people who go, unaligned with the musician's axes).

You nutty N.Y.ers & your festivals...

I'm not good at estimating crowds, but in recent years, maybe 150-200 per night? Many people who go are "just fans." And because there will be 4-5 bands, there will be many new ears for Yells.

[Jesse]

Thanks, Pete.
Wanna vacuum the couch in the event I visit?




:eek:

[walto]

The same fare/fee issue, is keeping Catchpole away. :mad: Another sign of Republican prowess. Keep it up, boys, and the dollar will soon resemble the Vietnamese dong.

[Uli]

I am a bit with Pete, the fact that the dollar is so low should make it cheaper for them to come over. Or maybe it's all the the gasoline price. Any which way, I am blaming it on Bush too.

Congrats, Dennis!

[bernard lyons]

Yeah, I forgot about the fee!


$1900 is $1900..end of story. The fee has nothing to do with that..these are the expenses before even setting foot on American soil.

Breaking even is one thing...losing before you arrive is another...try putting a tour together sometime.

[bluenoter]

Dennis--

http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/images/icons/icon14.gif

Jesse and Pete--

Thanks. :o

Does anybody know why don't I receive the email notifications even though the option to be subscribed to the topics I posted is on? The navigation is also confusing. For example it showed me only one page for this topic, but the last messages were not there. . . .

Somehow I just expected the response like "don't worry these fancy features don't work here", then I would be satisfied. :)downtownmusic--

Indeed, the fancy feature "subscriptions/e-mail notifications" doesn't work here. It's present, but it isn't on; it's disabled.

It's very late. I'll get back to you during the day tomorrow (edit: Monday!) to see if I can help you with the other half of your problem, okay? I'll post here or send you a PM (private message).

--Rita

[Brian Olewnick]

The same fare/fee issue, is keeping Catchpole away. :mad: Another sign of Republican prowess. Keep it up, boys, and the dollar will soon resemble the Vietnamese dong.

I guess someone who really knows origami could make that work.

[Jon Abbey]

not sure why it's confusing, but just to be clear, the low dollar definitely makes it harder for foreign musicians trying to come to the US.

first of all, as I said, plane fares almost always have to be bought in the country of origin, and thus paid for in that currency. secondly, once the musicians do get here, the money they make ends up being less when converted back to their own currencies. good luck trying to use dollars to put on a festival overseas, as I did last May in Germany. yow.

and, yes, of course it's the fault of Bush and his cronies and their absurd deficits. at least interest rates are finally going up, that may help a bit.

[Pete C]

Thanks, Pete.
Wanna vacuum the couch in the event I visit?




:eek:

As long as the couch isn't in Brooklyn.

[walto]

Thanks for unwinding, Jon. (Maybe my unnecessary comma confused Brian.)

Re Uli's comment, the weak dollar certainly would make it cheaper for musicians to come here if these players were planning to hang out for a few weeks and maybe buy some things. But if the point is to come here, play a gig or two and go home, pricey plane tix and a near-worthless (for buying things at home) fee are big disincentives. $500 doesn't pay nearly as much rent or buy nearly as much heat in Britain as it did a couple years ago.

[Jon Abbey]

actually Brian was making a penis joke, Walt, kind of funny even.

Re Uli's comment, the weak dollar certainly would make it cheaper for musicians to come here if these players were planning to hang out for a few weeks and maybe buy some things.

yeah, I meant to mention this, like if you need a new laptop, they're about half the price they are in the UK right now. but not many musicians have the luxury to tour like this.

[Pete C]

If you check the current pricing in USD on the American website, the Heathrow to JFK fare, midweek in June is less expensive ($593) than the reverse itinterary ($730).

Granted, the weak dollar affects people coming for work, but for anyone else costs (hotel, incidentals, etc.) will be much lower. Unless Catchpole was expecting the take of his life, I still don't see how the weak dollar is to his disadvantage. Certainly winter fares are much lower than the above.

$600 +/- r/t is about par for high season prices between UK & USA. What were those guys expecting?

Edit:

I see that these issues were sort of addressed while I was typing.

I just checked the BA website, and the June price in GBP is 319, or $604 at current exchange rate. Once again, that is standard high season pricing, and the extra seat is a given for a bass player, so that's not a variable.

The prices are based on what the market will bear, in either direction. If the dollar were stronger, the fare would be MORE in GBP.


In general, do any of these guys, when they're not getting funding from their government's cultural attache, ever make significant bread on a U.S. tour?

[Jon Abbey]

yeah, $600 isn't bad for a June flight, Brits are spoiled by all those supercheap intra-European flights they can get now.

[Gary Sisco]

Any of youse ever see the size of the paycheck for one of these gigs?

Most of ya's wouldn't consider it a dinner-out tip for the waitron.

Whaddaya, want the cats to have to pay out of pocket to play for you?

[bernard lyons]

In general, do any of these guys, when they're not getting funding from their government's cultural attache, ever make significant bread on a U.S. tour?[/QUOTE]

No..the ocassional small guarantee and a lot of door splits.

[walto]

Nat indicated to me that he was able to fly to the states and back last March for about 120 GBP: as a result, the ca. 350 figure he's seeing now is quite a bit more than he was expecting. Maybe last year was the aberration--I dunno.

[Dennis Gonzalez]

Great news, Dennis! Unless the ol' UE tour conflicts with Vision, I plan to be there.Should be a great hang and some fine-ass music! Hope to see you there.

looking forward to the 14th of June to see Dennis and the two killin' boys It'd be a treat to see you face to face, Steve. The boys know what ya done fer me.

Dennis:
I am happy for you & the lads, a space where the unacquainted can hear you.
Have you or your sons attended Vision in years past?
Thanks, Jesse. Neither the boys or I have ever attended or played. Should be an adventure. We plan on leaving from NY on a European Yells At Eels tour, so we are excited. We're also working out some East Coast gigs before Vision. We'll keep y'all posted.

I'm not good at estimating crowds, but in recent years, maybe 150-200 per night? Many people who go are "just fans." And because there will be 4-5 bands, there will be many new ears for Yells. Hoo-eee! Sounds good to me.

Congrats, Dennis! Man, you were there in the early days...that's a very special Congrats.

Dennis--[thumbs up] Thanks, sweetie!

[Gary Sisco]

Shit, shit, shit. I'm so bummed not to be able to go this year.

I keep missing Dennis in New York!

[Frisco]

Unfortunately..due to the ridiculous price of flights and exchange rate etc...Paul Dunmall and Paul Rogers will not be able to make the Vision Festival,
(unless someone fancies forking out $1900..thats the cheap rate for 3 seats)


Let's see, if 50 of us chipped in $20 apiece, that'd leave them with $900 flight expenses, which might be doable. What the hell, you'd buy him a couple of beers if he were here hanging out, wouldn't you? Too far fetched?

[Steve Reynolds]

if I was working, I would do it in a second :)

[Gary Sisco]

Matter of fact I did, at the Knit, for Dunmall and Rogers both, and it was my pleasure.

[Steve Reynolds]

and so did I, I think :eek: , the year or two before :D

[Derek Taylor]

Ladies and Bruces...

Just talked to the curatrix of Vision Fest, Patricia Parker, and Dennis Gonzalez Yells At Eels has been confirmed for June 14!

Calling all Yells At Eels fans! Get your tickets early and often.

This makes it a lock for me (barring unforseen catastrophe). Looking forward to it!

Jesse, now that Dennis & the boys are on the bill you gotta make the trek as well.

[Frisco]

Well, you know, sometimes we have to take matters into our own hands in this music. I discovered that in Detroit a long time ago. That's why a disorganized person like myself is suddenly a concert organizer. I have no idea what I'm doing, I just do it to make things happen here.

As you can see, we may have to take things over in this case to make a Dunmall gig happen. If not, then we're richer monetarily, but poorer culturally.
Let me know if anybody wants to do something. If so, we should do it quickly.

[walto]

June is much less good for me than May, so Vision will have to do without me this year. Sorry to miss you Dennis.

But I'd sorely love to hear Dunmall again (love even more to play a set or two with him....)

[Other Steve]

Say it ain't so, Walto! What a bummer, given that the change of dates is actually going to enable me to be there for more of it this year...

[walto]

Damn. It's always something. Whyncha come up to Vt. and interview Katt Hernandez?

[Captain Hate]

Well shit, if I put on the big push for this I'll meet Dennis & Reynolds but miss Walter & Sisco. I still think I'll start the February offensive now.

[Jason Bivins]

Hate, be there! The DBA hangs alone are worth the trip.

[Pete C]

And the Chinese dinners are nothing to sneeze at.

[Gary Sisco]

Just can't do it in June. Entirely out of the realm of possibility, with a foal due anytime in there.

[Dennis Gonzalez]

Shit, shit, shit. I'm so bummed not to be able to go this year.

I keep missing Dennis in New York! Ya ain't missed me this time yet!

Jesse, now that Dennis & the boys are on the bill you gotta make the trek as well.Man, that'd be perfect. And it is gonna be a trek...we're gonna drive.

Well shit, if I put on the big push for this I'll meet Dennis & Reynolds but miss Walter & Sisco. I still think I'll start the February offensive now. No time like February to start convincing someone of the necessity to make this trip!

[achilles]

when the heck will they announce who is playing on which night?

[Pete C]

when the heck will they announce who is playing on which night?

Well, the big money festivals usually announce only three months in advance, so it's reasonable to give them until at least mid-April.

[Mike Schwartz]

Ya ain't missed me this time yet!

Man, that'd be perfect. And it is gonna be a trek...we're gonna drive.

No time like February to start convincing someone of the necessity to make this trip!

Just don't let that Chadbourne character sleep over;-))

[achilles]

Well, the big money festivals usually announce only three months in advance, so it's reasonable to give them until at least mid-April.

Pete, who said I was reasonable? I'm only anxious because I'm coming from California around that time and want to figure out which nights to get to it.

[Gary Sisco]

A lot of big-time festivals don't even have their bookings done, yet.

Achilles -- There'll be six or seven hours or more of music every night, so you shouldn't have much problem finding something you want to hear, on any given night. In addition, there will be a load of other gigs about town, outside of Vision. There always are. Don't sweat it too much.

[bluenoter]

Barring some awful misfortune, I am going to NYC during Vision. Y'all will be spared my agonizing.

I'll be meeting up with some friends from Colorado and attending one of their daughter's dance performances at some point. The only questions are how many nights I'll be able to stay and whether I'll be able to be there for Dennis González night.

[bluenoter]

A schedule is now up at the Vision fest's site

http://www.visionfestival.org/vfx.asp (http://www.visionfestival.org/vfx.asp)

and it shows Dennis G. Yells at Eels with Oliver Lake on June 19, not June 14 as he'd announced. I've posted in Dennis G.'s thread and asked him whether he knows what's up.

[Jon Abbey]

Some of the Artists featured at Vision X
Fred Anderson - Harrison Bankhead - Billy Bang - Rob Brown - Han Bennink , Peter Brotzmann - Roy Campbell - Whit Dickey - Paul Dunmall - Hamid Drake, Douglas Ewart - Alvin Fielder - Lori Freedman - Charles Gayle - Eddie Gale, Henry Grimes - William Hooker - Joseph Jarman - Terry Jenoure - Kidd Jordan - Joelle Leandre - George Lewis - Maria Mitchell - Roscoe Mitchell- Joe Morris - David Murray - Patricia Nicholson - Evan Parker - William Parker - Paul Rogers - Sam Rivers - Matthew Shipp - Jorge Sylvester - Ijeoma Thomas - Oluyemi Thomas - Nasheet Waits - Reggie Workman - Other Dimensions in Music w/ Sound Vision Orchestra - Little Huey Creative Orchestra - Conceptual Motion Orchestra

besides Dunmall and Rogers, Evan Parker and George Lewis don't seem to have made the final lineup either, unfortunately.

[bluenoter]

besides Dunmall and Rogers, Evan Parker and George Lewis don't seem to have made the final lineup either, unfortunately.There's still a TBA slot.

I see several other people who don't seem to have made the final lineup either. Can we assume that the artists, the schedule, or both are still in flux? Wasn't the schedule changed at least once last year?

[Pete C]

Wasn't the schedule changed at least once last year?

Yes, more than once.

I'm wondering if they plan on having overlapping or concurrent performances in the 2 spaces. I don't think they've booked 6 acts per night in the past (maybe 5?).

[bluenoter]

I don't think they've booked 6 acts per night in the past (maybe 5?).Here's what's listed as the schedule for last year, but I don't know whether it's the final, actual schedule.

http://www.visionfestival.org/vf9.asp (http://www.visionfestival.org/vf9.asp)

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The schedule for this year:

http://www.visionfestival.org/vfx.asp (http://www.visionfestival.org/vfx.asp)

[Uli]

Hey it's an improvised world out there.

Nice program! imho.

[bluenoter]

Hey it's an improvised world out there.I'm too poor to improvise my travel times, particularly when I'm also trying to hook up with friends from Colorado who rarely come East. But it is still very early.

[Uli]

I'm too poor to improvise my travel plans, particularly when I'm also trying to hook up with friends who rarely come East. But it is still very early.

You can always make hotel reservations etc now and later change them, transportation can wait a bit. Some may change on the program, but I don't think everything will change.

[bluenoter]

You can always make hotel reservations etc now and later change them, transportation can wait a bit.True. I guess it's just an area in which I don't like to improvise. I seem to end up having to improvise a lot when I'm in the big city as it is.

My big act last summer was "Getting back home (in DC) despite having no bus ticket, money, 'plastic,' checkbook, or ID." :rolleyes:

P.S.--Or keys to my apartment. They wouldn't let me in until business hours the next day. I had to spend the night at a friend's place.

[Uli]

My big act last summer was "Getting back home (in DC) despite having no bus ticket, money, or ID." :rolleyes: [/b]

Yeah that's a bit much. Glad you made it though.

[bluenoter]

Yeah that's a bit much. Glad you made it though.Thanks, Uli. Thank G-d, it was the same bus driver who had carried me to NYC, and he remembered me and my round-trip ticket.

[walto]

That beats my losing both my cell phone and my address book during my last trip there....

[bluenoter]

That beats my losing both my cell phone and my address book during my last trip there....That's bad enough.
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A schedule is now up at the Vision fest's site:

http://www.visionfestival.org/vfx.asp (http://www.visionfestival.org/vfx.asp)

[Steve Reynolds]

Uli-


you saving your dollars to be there for the 16th for the Fred Anderson tribute?

I would really love to see you be able to make it :)

[Uli]

Unfortunately, there is absoultely no way that I can make it, Steve.

[Pete C]

Outside of the Anderson night there are only 4 sets I'd really like to catch, and they're spread over 4 nights. There's nothing on the Friday bill that interests me in particular.

I don't want to miss

WARM: Reggie Workman, Pheroan akLaff, Sam Rivers, Roscoe Mitchell

[Frisco]

Yeah, the Dunmall, Lewis, and Evan Parker deletions are disappointing, but hey, it still l9ooks like a great lineup for the most part. I'll be there, of course, barring any unforeseen complications. June in NYC!!

[bluenoter]

I don't want to miss

WARM: Reggie Workman, Pheroan akLaff, Sam Rivers, Roscoe MitchellDitto. Don't know whether I can be there then, though.

[Steve Reynolds]

I don't want to miss that either, Pete

however, depending on my job/financial situation - If I can only make 2 mights it will be the 16th and the 19th

if I can make two other nights, it will be the 14th and the 18th

[Steve Reynolds]

looking forward more than anything to seeing Fred Anderson with the classic free quartet with Kidd, William & Hamid

now for me, this will bring back some memories - as long as they don't do the two tenor encore :D - remember, Pete?

and then with Joseph Jarman, Al Fielder and the *great* Harrison Bankhead on the bass


some of us will be dancing during and after those two sets

[Pete C]

and then with Joseph Jarman, Al Fielder and the *great* Harrison Bankhead on the bass



I'm looking forward to that set a *bit* more than the one with Jordan.

[achilles]

O

I don't want to miss

WARM: Reggie Workman, Pheroan akLaff, Sam Rivers, Roscoe Mitchell

that's the one this California boy is coming in to catch.

[Uli]

[QUOTE=Steve Reynolds and the *great* Harrison Bankhead on the bass

[/QUOTE]

plus you gonna hear Nikki Mitchell and Isaiah Spencer with Harrison.

and Thurman Barker's Strike Force!

[Steve Reynolds]

looking forward to hearing those two new names to me - what instruments do they play, Uli?

also very much looking forward to hearing Warren Smith live for the first time as well as getting another chance to hear another great one for the second time, Mr. Douglas Ewart.....

[Frisco]

plus you gonna hear Nikki Mitchell and Isaiah Spencer with Harrison.
and Thurman Barker's Strike Force!

Looks like Thurman's group is an all percussion unit? I remember some great sets that he did on marimba in the mid 90's Cecil Taylor Units along with Rashid Bakr.

[Pete C]

that's the one this California boy is coming in to catch.

Adam, are you aware that the JCV festival will be concurrent this year? June 13-25. Schedule isn't out, but Carnegie events are listed at the Carnegie Hall website. Friday June 17 is a Wayne Shorter/Dave Holland double bill.

[achilles]

Adam, are you aware that the JCV festival will be concurrent this year? June 13-25. Schedule isn't out, but Carnegie events are listed at the Carnegie Hall website. Friday June 17 is a Wayne Shorter/Dave Holland double bill.


Pete, I didn't know this! oy vey! I'm supposed to be in NY visiting family and now I have to figure out ways to ditch them every evening. Thanks for the tip--is Holland playing with his big band on that bill? I saw them perform the new record's material when they played at Monterey a few years back--I loved it. Haven't heard the new record yet, but live it was dynamic stuff.

[Captain Hate]

Yeah, the Dunmall, Lewis, and Evan Parker deletions are disappointing,Once again the fuck god is conspiring against me but I'm still gonna try to make it from the Fred-fest through Yells at Eels.

[Uli]

looking forward to hearing those two new names to me - what instruments do they play, Uli?


Steve,
Isaiah Spencer is a young drummer. He plays with Dawkins New Horizon's, with Fred and the young cats like Corey Wilkes and Greg Ward etc a lot.

Nicole Mitchell is a flautist.

[Steve Reynolds]

thanks, Uli :)

[Gary Sisco]

You're in for a real treat if you've never heard Warren Smith live before, Reynolds. He's one of the too-long neglected great drummers of jazz. He can and has played every variety of the music that there is, and done with so with huge talent. *and* he's a vibes master as well.

Past couple of years while you were down, he was the drummer of choice, as Drake has been busy enough -- congrats, finally, to our man! -- as to not be able to take the calls, many times.

[Frisco]

You're in for a real treat if you've never heard Warren Smith live before, Reynolds. He's one of the too-long neglected great drummers of jazz. He can and has played every variety of the music that there is, and done with so with huge talent. *and* he's a vibes master as well.

I'll second that, Gary. I think that we've mentioned it here before. Warren is one of the masters. Great free, creative percussion, with plenty of soul, rhythm, and a history in the jazz tradition. One of those guys who you can't say plays "in" or plays "out". He just plays like Warren Smith.

[Frisco]

The start times for all of the Vision sets have been posted on the site. They'll be using two stages, the Flamboyan and Milagro Theatres. Looks like some overlapping sets, though in many cases it looks as if it's planned for one to start directly after another ends.

One problem I see may be the Thurman Barker (scheduled for 10:00) and Fred Anderson (10:30) sets overlapping. Also, on Friday, Other Dimensions/Sound Visions (7:30) and Whit Dickey/Rob Brown (8:10), Bill Dixon (8:45). Nice prblems to have though.

[Pete C]

I just took a look at the schedule. Based on the fact that most of the acts I want to see are at the end of the night, and I have to get to a job the following morning, it looks like Fred Thursday is the only night I'll make.

[Steve Reynolds]

if possible, I will also be there on the 14th and or the 15th

16th and the 19th are definates

[Gary Sisco]

shit

[Jimmy Cantiello]

Just noticed that the Vision Fest has a new venue. Sounds a bit better than that school gym with the uncomfortable folding chairs.......

[Brian Olewnick]

Jimmy, the two main sites at the new venue have regular, tiered theatrical seating, thought he space itself is nicely raw. I think the chairs might even have cushions!

[Jimmy Cantiello]

Yes, Brian, I saw that on their web-site. They describe the venue as a "new location at Clemente Soto Velez with two theaters, two art galleries and an adjacent bar. Plenty of room to spread out and enjoy the music". Sounds like a nice upgrade with access to cocktails as well. If I attend I'll be sure to have a drink in honor of the absent Sisco............

[Gary Sisco]

What, no swill beer by the bottle? That ain't a Vision Festival....



Double shit.

[Other Steve]

Thanks for the tip--is Holland playing with his big band on that bill?
Adam, according to the Carnegie Hall website it's the quintet, sharing a bill with Shorter's quartet.

[wyntonkelly]

http://www.visionfestival.org/

[achilles]

Adam, according to the Carnegie Hall website it's the quintet, sharing a bill with Shorter's quartet.

thanks for the info, Steve. Having already seen the big band (loved it) this only makes decision making ever more difficult....

[Gary Sisco]

If you haven't heard DH5, you ought to. Very arguably the finest working band in jazz today. I've heard them four or five times and would go again, no problem, as many other times as I had the opportunity.

I liked Shorter's quartet very much when I heard them live. Much more than their records.

[downtownmusic]

Just wanted to let you know that I put updated schedule of the festival. Not so many changes: mostly the starting times and some sets were switched around.

[Captain Hate]

Airline tix bought today; be there from the 16th through the end. Finally get to see Dennis. Don't punk out Reynolds!!! Fred Anderson, baby!!

[Steve Reynolds]

will be there with bells on - no punkin' out here

will be as up front as possible to hear the power and the glory from the masters who still walk this earth

Birdhouse, BABY!!!!

[Frisco]

Just received a message about a venue change for the festival. It's moving back to the Orensanz Arts Center, home to some of the early festivals. Something about unforeseen fire regulations. The Orensanz is comfortable enough, but I always thought the sound was iffy there. Not terrible, but not great. With such a high ceiling, the sound rises straight up. The drums, in particular, always suffer. But, all in all, it worked beautifully in the past.

[Other Steve]

Bruce Gallanter's weekly Downtown Music Gallery blast mentioned the move, claiming it was due to Clemente Soto Velez not installing sprinklers in time. The newsletter also mentions slight changes in the festival schedule, but I find it hard to discern what's changed exactly, since the Vision Festival website still lists all shows in the original Clemente Soto theaters.

[Lore]

My understanding is that the VF web site is currently being revised and will soon reflect the venue change.

[Jon Abbey]

yes, as I mentioned here back in February, when I did my fest at Clemente Soto Velez (along with Time Out New York pinup boy Tim Barnes), they told me that fire codes said they shouldn't have more than 100 people in a room, and that was the bigger of the two rooms. we weren't too far over that, so that was OK, but Vision Fest would be decidedly over that every night, so I'm not surprised it ended up being an issue.

a real shame for fans, though, because as Pat mentions, the Orensanz acoustics are decidedly worse, the Cecil Taylor show I saw there was very frustrating.

[Dennis Gonzalez]

Yells at Eels with Oliver Lake are playing the final Vision show...on the 19th / 20th at Midnight! What a treat! Come party at Midnight and plan to be absent from work the next day!

[Steve Reynolds]

yes - the sound of the drums do suffer there - if I am thinking of the right place - but when Fred, Kidd, William and Hamid take the stage on the 16th of June, all sound problems will be overcome

Hamid's drumming transcended any acoustic problems when I saw the boys a few years back - the sound problems were more apparent when I heard Dunmall-Rogers-Hemingway - for some reason the full force of Hemingway's might was not heard on that night

however, I hope to be right up front, so all will be well

[Captain Hate]

Just received a message about a venue change for the festival. It's moving back to the Orensanz Arts Center, home to some of the early festivals. Something about unforeseen fire regulations. The Orensanz is comfortable enough, but I always thought the sound was iffy there. Not terrible, but not great. With such a high ceiling, the sound rises straight up. The drums, in particular, always suffer. But, all in all, it worked beautifully in the past.Am I missing something here? This strikes me as an incredibly half-assed way to run a festival. Pat, you seem to be contorting yourself to say the glass is 33 percent full. If I didn't want to see DG and Fred Anderson so damn much I might tell the whole fest to asterick off. Of course there *is* the issue of nonrefundable airline tix.

[Gary Sisco]

What do you want, no festival? If no sprinklers have been installed, it's hardly Vision's fault. The Center is only two blocks away; it's not like it's moved to another part of town or something. Second, the Festival is run by volunteers, musicians very much included, so the way it gets "run" is miraculous, really, after all of these years. Any of youse ever try organizing musicians and hipsters? Be thankful. It's easier to organize housecats.

Last time, the sound crew did a very good job, I thought, in mediating room's inherent difficulties. Give it a chance before flaming.

This is a festival run by love of the music, not a Sprint-sponsored gala for the Rolling Stones, Inc.

Strange to be observing Vision from a distance this year, when I can't go, as, if there is a community left in the US of which I feel a part, it's that one.

Have a grand time, y'all. The music is the matter.

[Frisco]

Well said Gary. Steve, (el capitan of hate) you'll love it. I didn't mean to sound negative. The festival worked beautifully there for years. And it's a beautiful, majestic structure. Plenty of space to hang out and mingle. The sound, well, it's like hearing concerts in a church. But I remember the Little Huey Orchestra rocking the place, filling that room with exquisite sound. Many, many great sets happened there and I'm sure there will be some memorable ones this year. Looking forward to seeing you there.

[Captain Hate]

Pat, I assume you aren't talking about some tiny church in the Village that in '99 I was afraid that Silva's tv's (that didn't work anyway :) ) and flatulent synth were gonna immolate everybody there by frying the ancient circuits. I'm looking forward to seeing you too; and everybody else, dammit!!

[Frisco]

No, that was the basement of St. Myra's on Avenue A and 9th St. This is a beautiful old Synagogue just below Houston. I forget the street that it's on, but it's approx. between 1st and 2nd Avenues. You know, that works out kinda nicely if anyone wants to catch a set at The Stone. I'm thinking that they're only a couple of blocks apart. The Stone is where, on 3rd St and Avenue C? I'd like to catch the set on Saturday with Min Xiao Fen, Okyung Lee and Susie Ibarra and then head back to Vision Fest.

[Root Doctor]

I wonder if the Orensanz Arts Center was available during the festival's traditional May stretch. If that's the case, I'm really pissed about this year's mid-June schedule.

[Pete C]

Of related interest to folks who'll be in town, at Barbes:

Wed 06/15 MARK HELIAS' OPEN LOOSE. One of the greatest creative music ensemble comes back to perform material from their forthcoming album. With Mark Helias: bass, Tony Malaby: tenor saxophone, Tom Rainey: drums - $8 per show.
8:00pm

&

10:00pm

[Pete C]

The revised schedule is up on the VF website. You can be sure that sets will start much later than announced.

[Derek Taylor]

Been outta the JC loop for a spell. Curious what the current plans are for a Vision-centered hang and if Pete C's the emcee? I'm planning to be in the city 6/14 thru 6/20 & would love to meet up with folks at some point if possible.

[Pete C]

Been outta the JC loop for a spell. Curious what the current plans are for a Vision-centered hang and if Pete C's the emcee? I'm planning to be in the city 6/14 thru 6/20 & would love to meet up with folks at some point if possible.

We're trying to do a Chinatown thing on the 19th. Look for the thread in Speak Out. Perhaps we could plan to hook up for drinks at dba before.

[Brian Olewnick]

Derek, Reynolds (afaik) is still claiming to be in on the 16th and Cap'n Hate'll be around then too. Maybe a few of us can meet earlier that day, maybe dba then dinner somewhere.

[Frisco]

I'll be around. Not too keen on the large dinner crowd thing, but definitely up for a drink and chatting earlier in the day. I'll bring the Thunderbird. Meet me under the GW Bridge. Just kidding. Do they still make Thunderbird Wine?
Just let me know where you may be and when.

[Jason Bivins]

Looks like I won't be able to make it, despite being nearly sure I would be coming a few weeks ago. All is well, but certain wrinkles couldn't be easily unwrinkled. I'll look forward to reading the play-by-play online.

[Pete C]

Derek, Reynolds (afaik) is still claiming to be in on the 16th and Cap'n Hate'll be around then too. Maybe a few of us can meet earlier that day, maybe dba then dinner somewhere.

I'll be at the show on the 16th, after work. I'll probably try to grab a bite during the poet & the political propaganda session, which are conveniently back to back. I'm going to try to make the Tuesday show too, though I wish the set with Rivers & Roscoe weren't so late. In a week or so I'll start polling on interest in the Chinatown thing on the 19th.

[Captain Hate]

Derek's coming? Cool!! I will, of course, miss tipping a few dozen with the Bliv.

[Jon Abbey]

Tippin' with the Bliv? wasn't that a Hank Mobley record?

:)

[Pete C]

Another show of interest that week, at Tonic
Tue, Jun 14
8pm Tim Berne, Tom Rainey & Sylvie Courvoisier
10pm Brad Shepik Trio

[Derek Taylor]

Pete & Brian, thanks for the scoop. I’m planning to be in the bleachers for the Fred Fest on the 16th and hopefully a couple more nights. A hang that day or before or after would be great. I’ll watch this space for developments.

Pat, Cappy & Jon, looking forward to seeing you guys too.

Bliv, what!?!? Damn. :(

[Jon Abbey]

Pat, Cappy & Jon, looking forward to seeing you guys too.

I won't be at any of these shows. possibly I'll stop by a dba hang, but this is a busy time for me, new releases out next week which I have to get out and about before leaving for Prague/Vienna on the 22nd.

[Derek Taylor]

Jon, I figured the shows were out for you, but my fingers are crossed on a hang just the same.

[Jason Bivins]

Hank Mobley rekkid, indeed. Nice one, Jon.

I'll miss all y'all for sure, but there's some shit that needs to get done, and the timing interferes. Alas.

Order a round of barleywines at DBA for me and Shrugs.

[Pete C]

who's going to that Berne show on the 14th?
i'd very much like to go, maybe meet up with some.
-adam

That's in my neighborhood, but I'm going to try my best to catch that set with Rivers & Mitchell @ Vision.

[Pete C]

I won't be at any of these shows.

You're going to disappoint all those J-word musicians?

[Jon Abbey]

Bivster, I hope you're coming up for ErstQuake in September, it's going to be a rollicking good time.

Pete, do you ever worry that some of those crabs you love so much are actually relatives? :)

[crawjo]

Bivster, I hope you're coming up for ErstQuake in September, it's going to be a rollicking good time.

Pete, do you ever worry that some of those crabs you love so much are actually relatives? :)

I'm not sure if you are saying that Pete is crabby, or that he has crabs, but either way, I dig it!

[crawjo]

I also won't be at any of these shows, or the dba hang. The Supreme Leader told me that Jazz was creatively dead, and I decided that he's more right than wrong. Of course, the week-long "reeducation camp" I went to might have had something to do with that.

But I do ask that those in attendance drink at least one round of Kool-Aid for the absent cult members.

[Jon Abbey]

Sachiko would be proud.

[Pete C]

I thought Abbey's presence on a jazz thread might have been a portent of impending recidivism, but I guess I was wrong.

[Gary Sisco]

Somebody tip a couple of pints of bitter for me at DBA.

[Pete C]

Somebody tip a couple of pints of bitter for me at DBA.

I think we'll need a relay team to compensate for your absence.

[Jason Bivins]

Gary, we should sponsor a virtual hang one night on The Beer Thread!

[Gary Sisco]

The typos would get to being funny, quickly enough.

[Brian Olewnick]

So it looks like the Cap'n and I will meet at dba around 3PM on the 16th (1st Ave, between 1st and 2nd). Hope anyone available will come on over and hang out for while. I imagine we'll find someplace to eat later on (Pete?) then amble over to Orensanz, preferably post-poesy.....

[Pete C]

I imagine we'll find someplace to eat later on (Pete?) then amble over to Orensanz, preferably post-poesy.....

You have to get to Orensanz before the poet for this at 7PM: Fred Anderson 1960s Quartet: Fred Anderson - tenor sax, Joseph Jarman - reeds, Tatsu Aoki - bass, Alvin Fielder - drums

If you guys are up for a quick bite between 8-9, during the poet & political activist, I'm up for it.

I just ate at an excellent place last night, btw, not far from Orensanz & Tonic: Paladar, but I don't think it's good for a quickie.

http://www.paladar.ws/reviews-NYT.htm

[Brian Olewnick]

Ah, didn't realize Anderson was playing twice that evening. No prob, we could always scoot over to Bereket for a bite.

[Pete C]

Ah, didn't realize Anderson was playing twice that evening. No prob, we could always scoot over to Bereket for a bite.

I'll be coming to Vision straight from work. If you get there early, please save a seat for me.

[Steve Reynolds]

I may have a car by the 16th - not sure

I will try to be there for the 7:00 set and will maybe catch a bite to eat from 8:00 to 9:00

and then the magic will happen when the King and the man at the kit join the tenormen at 11:00


looking forward to the shows that night - and looking forward as much to see all my friends :)

[Jon Abbey]

FYI, there are a series of Vision Fest related films playing this weekend at Anthology Film Archives, programs at 2 and 4 PM Saturday and Sunday.

http://www.visionfestival.org/vfxfilm.asp

[Pete C]

I saw film of "The Connection" not too long ago for the first time. Warren Finnerty reminded me of Steve Buscemi.

[achilles]

If anyone is going to the Tim Berne show at Tonic on the 14th, let me know.

[Pete C]

The Berne set should be right up Captain Hate's alley. FYI, for those not from NY, Tonic & the Orensanz Center are about 2 short blocks from each other.

[Brian Olewnick]

I believe the Captain is getting into town on the 16th. Adam, you still around by then?

[achilles]

I wish I was because of these cool hangs set up.
I've been in and out of NYC the past week or so, in DC and Philly,
now back to NY until, alas, the 16th.

Have fun you bastards! Someone report back on Derek Taylor: I want to know if, when six beers under, he speaks with that heavy alliteration he uses when he writes!

[Brian Olewnick]

Oy. Linda's been feeling pretty sick the last 4-5 days. We thought she might have a kind of flu. Went to the doctor today, did bloods and it turns out she has pneumonia. probably picked up at the hospital where she works. I think the bulk of the illness has passed (she felt substantially better today but still lousy) but they decided to admit her for anti-biotic treatment and to make sure the stuff clears her lungs. She should be in 2-3 days.

The upshot being, I probably won't make it on Thursday. Sorry to miss everyone (CH, give a ring if you get the chance). Sorry not to be able to report on Fred Anderson for my buddy Uli. That's the way it goes.

[Jon Abbey]

yow, sorry to hear that, Brian, please give her my best.

[walto]

Pneumonia sucks--and, anecdotally, seems to be more prevalent these days. I got it last year, and a bunch of people I know got it this year. Anyhow, hope Linda feels better soon.

[Gary Sisco]

Whoa. Sorry to hear that, Brian. Please send my best. Bronwyn had it this past winter, too, and scared the bejeezis out of me 'cause she can't really cough, so I sometimes have to help her with a kind of variation on the anti-choking technique. I think I'd come down with it, too, but an antibiotics treatment I'd begun for something else killed it before it had time to get me too hard.

Bummer timing, though.

Gotta take care of those nurses. Ain't many of them left!

[Captain Hate]

I'll call you when I get in Brian; best wishes for Linda's recovery.

Anybody gonna show up at dba on Thursday or will I be John Lee Hooker? Jon, with Brian not there to talk baseball does that increase the probability of you appearing?

[Pete C]

Anybody gonna show up at dba on Thursday or will I be John Lee Hooker?

One bourbon, one scotch, one beer?

I have to work until 6, Cap. I plan to get to Orensanz around 6:30 to snag a decent seat. What's everybody's plan? Still interest in catching a bite during the "spoken word" segments?

[Brian Olewnick]

Wait! Llate reprieve!

First, thanks for everyone's kind wishes. I'd pass them along to Linda, but then I'd get yelled at for talking about her illness in public. Very glad she hasn't quite gotten googling down yet...She's doing fine but will have to stay several days for the antibiotics to fully take effect. And she wants me to go out on Thursday, so as of now, I'm back in.

I know Uli's heart just went a-flutter.

[Captain Hate]

One bourbon, one scotch, one beer?Close; I drink alone.

I have to work until 6, Cap. I plan to get to Orensanz around 6:30 to snag a decent seat. What's everybody's plan? Still interest in catching a bite during the "spoken word" segments?I think I'd rather be at work than attend the sws; chowing down would definitely work for me. It looks like Ollie will be with us after all. Yay!!!!

[Captain Hate]

I'd pass them along to Linda, but then I'd get yelled at for talking about her illness in public.I'm very familiar with that situation; thirty years worth.

Very glad she hasn't quite gotten googling down yet...That too.

[Jon Abbey]

Anybody gonna show up at dba on Thursday or will I be John Lee Hooker? Jon, with Brian not there to talk baseball does that increase the probability of you appearing?

not sure I saw this plan before, when is this exactly? I need to hit DMG at some point in the next few days, after the new Gustafsson CDs arrive from Japan, so maybe I can combine the two trips.

[Brian Olewnick]

not sure I saw this plan before, when is this exactly? I need to hit DMG at some point in the next few days, after the new Gustafsson CDs arrive from Japan, so maybe I can combine the two trips.
dba at 3PM Thursday.

[Brian Olewnick]

Reynolds, what's the latest on you showing up?

[Pete C]

I'd be happy to lose money on a bet about Reynolds.

[Brian Olewnick]

A good night at the Viz Fest. We had the scheduling thing down to a "T", entering right at the tail end of the initial piece of propaganda about Afghanistan, just in time for Fred Anderson's first set, a quartet with Joseph Jarman, Tatsu Aoki and Alvin Fielder, a relaxed, rolling performance, loosely structured tunes and solid playing by all. We skipped out to Katz' after that, avoiding a poetry [sic] session by Sterling D. Plumpp and more political propaganda, arriving back for Jarman's septet, the evening's only low point. Aside from vets Ewart (looking remarkably like Danny Glover) and Barker, this appeared to be a group made up of his students (?) and the arrangments were rather shaky. This might have been fine, but Jarman insisted on singing on every piece and his lyrical content is, shall we say, naive. You never heard so many "universes", "joys", "compassions", "hearts" and trite metaphors ("straight as an arrow") in your life. I kept thinking of pieces like "Non-Cognitive Aspects of the City" or Henry Dumas' poem, "Black Paladins" ("In those days, we shall be terrible") and wondering, what the hell happened?

Next was the evening's loveliest surprise, the Nicole Mitchell trio with Harrison Bankhead and Isaiah Spencer. Before the set, Pete noted that Uli had sung her praises and, as is always the case, Uli was correct! She's a wonderful flutist, a deep, full tone and fine imagination. Her pieces (I'm assuming they're hers) were varied and catchy. As I mentioned to a few people there, I sometimes got the impression I was listening to 3/4 of a good Randy Weston band. Well, on the last, brief piece she did sing and the lines were straight outta Jarman, but otherwise an excellent set, all three musicians shining.

The last I stayed for (I left before the Barker percussion ensemble) was the Anderson/Jordan/Parker/Drake quartet, a very strong, almost all unforced high energy set. I'm still not too crazy about Jordan and Parker, but they were fine when all four were going at it. I thought Anderson and Drake provided the real backbone, though, each playing with great imagination and power. In contexts like this, Drake's just tough to beat. I felt very sorry that Reynolds didn't make it as this set would've sent him reeling. Hope all's well, Steve.

So, not a bad night at all, happy I went. Great to see Jan, Derek and Pat again and to hang with Cap'n Hate and his lovely Hatette, Heater [sic].

[Steve Reynolds]

yeah - I'm OK - but frustrated that I just didn't have the money or transportation to get to the show

still waiting on that job - I'm trying to let it go - it isn't easy

and if Brian liked a "jazz" set that much - I would have been reeling - very glad you enjoyed the night....Drake and Anderson are very tought to beat in such a context

[Steve Reynolds]

and Pete - bet all you want - I hope you did bet - you think this is easy for me not being able to go to these shows???

[Uli]

Next was the evening's loveliest surprise, the Nicole Mitchell trio with Harrison Bankhead and Isaiah Spencer. Before the set, Pete noted that Uli had sung her praises and, as is always the case, Uli was correct! She's a wonderful flutist, a deep, full tone and fine imagination.

I only strive to be correct more often than not (my goals are an 80/20 % ratio) As time will go on i hope that you will see that I am in the range of my ambitions. No good words for my man Isaiah?

I don't know what they played but would guess that most if not all were Nikki's compostions.

[Pete C]

No good words for my man Isaiah?



The whole trio was tight & excellent. Jan Strom in particular mentioned being blown away by Spencer.

Not only are Jarman's lyrics awful, but he can't sing in tune. Very embarrassing, and the music was completely lackluster, in spite of some excellent players (including Thurman Barker on marimba and Jessica Jones on tenor). At one point Don the Ubiquitous said to me, "How did he get from the Art Ensemble to this?"

I left before the Anderson/Jordan set because I promised myself never to subject myself to Kidd Jordan again. I would have liket to have seen the Thurman Barker percussion ensemble, which was the last set of the night.

[Uli]

The whole trio was tight & excellent. Jan Strom in particular mentioned being blown away by Spencer.



I am gald to hear that. A gentleman of outstanding taste!

[Brian Olewnick]

Yeah, Spencer was real good--first time I've seen him live. An interesting combination of a kind of heavy-handed sound but executed with much grace--sort of a jazz John French.

[Captain Hate]

Next was the evening's loveliest surprise, the Nicole Mitchell trio with Harrison Bankhead and Isaiah Spencer. Before the set, Pete noted that Uli had sung her praises and, as is always the case, Uli was correct! She's a wonderful flutist, a deep, full tone and fine imagination. Her pieces (I'm assuming they're hers) were varied and catchy.I must admit that the prospect of a trio led by a flautist didn't exactly put a zing in my heart but Mitchell was outstanding, employing post Newton vocalizings that were continually effective. But Bankhead was a total monster on bass, cutting through the cavernous accoustics with unrelenting rapidfire lines just brimming with ideas. I knew he was good from his work with 8 Bold Souls but being in a large group setting doesn't prepare you for just *how* good he is. I figured from Ollie and Uli's back and forths a couple years ago with how good Harrison was in a duet with Fred that he must be pretty exceptional. And how. Spencer may have been a bit heavy handed but it effectively served to fill the sound in a trio like this. I wouldn't have changed a thing. Muhal was in the audience so it was a very AACM night.

Great seeing Pat, Brian and Pete again. And great meeting Derek, Don & Jan at the Fest and finally meeting Abbey at dba. A great start to the four days for me. Sorry you couldn't make it Reynolds; Ollie and I exchanged a few comments on how you would've been on ecstatic autopilot when Hamid seized the grooves during the Fred Fest.

[Jon Abbey]

yep, nice meeting you too, Cap'n, glad I could make it over there for a bit. where was Derek?

[Brian Olewnick]

yep, nice meeting you too, Cap'n, glad I could make it over there for a bit. where was Derek?

He got to dba but sometime after we'd already left.

[Jesse]

I hope someone will report on Dixon's quartet.

Preferably someone who was actually in attendance.

[Captain Hate]

I was there Jesse and thoroughly disliked it. I tried posting the reasons for it but have twice lost my posts; perhaps the wireless hookup at chez Hatette is misbehaving. Frisco and Jan were there so perhaps they'll weigh in on it at some point, but I considered it a boring ponderous waste of my time. Out of respect for Bill, unlike a number of others including musicians, I didn't walk out in the middle of it. But I really wanted to.

[Jon Abbey]

I would really really like to see Dixon at some point because he made some of my favorite music in the nineties (specifically the two Vade Mecum records) and I've never seen him, but I'm kind of scared to do so because of all the reports I've heard about any of his very rare recent shows.

[Uli]

I was there Jesse and thoroughly disliked it. I tried posting the reasons for it but have twice lost my posts; perhaps the wireless hookup at chez Hatette is misbehaving. Frisco and Jan were there so perhaps they'll weigh in on it at some point, but I considered it a boring ponderous waste of my time. Out of respect for Bill, unlike a number of others including musicians, I didn't walk out in the middle of it. But I really wanted to.

Of course I will wait for Frisco and Ja to weigh in but as it is i find it quite ironic that the non-discerning vision crowd walks out on aebly's man.

[Jon Abbey]

actually, moron, my point was that I'm scared to go see him because I'm pretty sure he can't play anymore.

[Jon Abbey]

also, I said the Victo 8 PM weekend crowds for the hockey rink shows were undiscerning, I didn't say anything about the Vision Fest crowds.

[Uli]

also, I said the Victo 8 PM weekend crowds for the hockey rink shows were undiscerning, I didn't say anything about the Vision Fest crowds.

Here some pertinent excerpts from the discussion in which the fans of the British invasions du jour pride themselves to be more discerning than the jazz audience:

I'm just speculating here, but is it possible that the event and context have to do with it? By which I mean, VF is a once a year thing that attracts a lot of people who are not from the area or a lot of people who don't go to regular shows. So, if attendance is something extra special for the listener, maybe to some degree or another it becomes more difficult to accept that the reason they came wasn't all it was cracked up to be. On a less psycho-babble tip, maybe because these folks don't attend shows as frequently, any live show experience is going to be magnified.

This is, of course, a rather weak and unsupported hypothesis, but it's based in part on personal experience :)

there's probably something to that, it's somewhat similar to what I was saying yesterday about Victoriaville.......

Now, if you insist to gossip your day away on threads dedicated to a festival that you don't care about, would it be too much to ask that abstain from juvenile personal insults?

[Jon Abbey]

well, if you want to talk about it, sure, let's talk about it.

in my limited experience, the only time the Vision Fest crowds walk out on shows is when it's something outside of the extremely narrow range of music that they expect to see there. so the fact that they walked out on Dixon could mean that he sucked (likely), or it could mean that it was just not what they expected to see. if Sean Meehan and Greg Kelley played a duo there, I'd expect people to walk out of that too, which would say nothing about the music itself, just about the fan's expectations.

[Pete C]

Dixon probably went on pretty late. He was scheduled for 11, but I'd bet he went on 11:30 or later. So, some of the walkouts could have been due to the hour. I was never especially interested in Dixon's music (one of those player/composers whose music I respect from afar but don't embrace--like Andrew Hill), so I wasn't tempted to go.

[Jon Abbey]

but the comment you cut and pasted was by Sergio, you should probably take it up with him. I halfheartedly agreed more because I trust Sergio than because of my own limited experience, I haven't been to the Vision Fest in years (although I did attend parts of at least four of them).

curious to hear how the sound in the venue turned out, I gather from Pat's brief comments to me on Thursday that it was less than ideal.

[Pete C]

The sound was less than ideal, but I've heard worse. A bit muddy & reverby. I think the smaller groups work better, like Nicole Mitchell's trio. Also, I think one's ears adjust a bit over the course of the evening.

[Uli]

well, if you want to talk about it, sure, let's talk about it.

in my limited experience, the only time the Vision Fest crowds walk out on shows is when it's something outside of the extremely narrow range of music that they expect to see there.

It's really more than your experience, it's above all your understanding of the music presented at the festival that's extremely limited, otherwise you would not call the range of music extremely narrow, one-speed aebly.

anyway, I leave it up to the hateman and other music lovers who attended to report if they did not like Dixon because it did not fit their narrow expectations or for other reasons or if they dug him.

[Jon Abbey]

It's really more than your experience, it's above all your understanding of the music presented at the festival that's extremely limited, otherwise you would not call the range of music extremely narrow, one-speed aebly.

I'm hardly the only one to think that, old man Drüli.

anyway, I leave it up to the hateman and other music lovers who attended to report if they did not like Dixon because it did not fit their narrow expectations or for other reasons or if they dug him.

per the usual, you've distorted the discussion completely. Sergio made some statements about the Vision Fest audience in general, no one was talking about a few presumably more knowledgable music listeners.

and for the third time, Dixon's not a great example since from virtually all reports over the last five years, he can't really play much anymore..

[Uli]

Congratulations, Martha! Above was your 25th infomercial on a thread dedicated to a festival of music you don't care about.

[Jon Abbey]

a fair amount of those have been at least somewhat informative, certainly the early ones about Clemente Soto Velez, a venue at which I've actually hosted a recent festival and no one else knew much about.

and I know you'd never post on a thread concerning music you don't care about, you're a real shining example for all of us.

[ericdevin]

OK, I saw Bill Dixon's group and I rather liked it. His playing was heavily doused in echo, and sure, it might have left a little bit to be desired, but the set on the whole was very meditative, with electronic washes from a keyboard player (the name escapes me at the moment) and brief repeated codas from Warren Smith and Steve Horenstein. The set definitely pushed the envelope more than most of the honking, blowing sets (i.e. the excellent Oluyemi Thomas group from earlier in the evening), but isn't that what this festival is about? People have been playing loud and fast since for forty years, and Dixon pushed the envelope using modern technology. I think that while the Vision fest is great for whom it puts together, it can get a little bogged down in the past (see other posts re: Jarman group) at the expense of pushing musical boundaries. On this note, the Guillermo E. Brown set from Saturday afternoon was another great set, very nice at stretching boundaries.

[Jesse]

Thanks for the report, Eric, I hear that you dug Dixon's set.

Re: capitulations to past forms & approaches, I would add that Dixon's use of saturated echo effects can be heard (to great effect) as far back as his (mostly) solo opus, Odyssey, material from the late 70's/early 80's.

So, I don't see in what sense this is "pushing the envelope."

There are numerous artists in the Vision stable I can enjoy, but I agree with your assessment that it is curated in a rather conservative (in the sense of conserving a showcase for cats working in areas initially established 20-25 years ago) fashion. Not a damn thing wrong with that. It's simply not a festival I'd attend expecting to hear music divergent from some well grooved roads already taken.

[Captain Hate]

Overall Subjective Wrapup:

Most Impressive Performances:
1. Tyshawn Sorey solo piano: This was an "Emerging Artists" Saturday afternoon concert that was witnessed by maybe 2 dozen people, and I consider it one of the most imaginatively conceived and realized performance of playing inside the piano (plucking strings, strumming strings, striking strings, selectively damping strings) that I've ever witnessed. Not to mention Tayloresque pounding on the keys with fists and forearms, only to follow it with a delicate section, all musically executed to perfection. Absolutely stunning. I need more of this!!!

2. Joelle Leandre/India Cooke: They've amped up the emotion considerably since their already good Red Toucan release. They should go back into the studio immediately.

3. Positive Knowlege: This was a real surprise. My tolerance for poetry and music is very limited but, unlike Joseph Jarman, Ijeoma Thomas has an excellent voice and as an instrument it added a lot to the mix. Unfortunately Harrison Bankhead's frenzied strumming (his hands were blurs) got buried in the mix, but Michael Wimberly (whom I've never seen/heard before) could hear it fine and together they created a rhythmic base that Kidd Jordan and Oluyemi Thomas fed off. Thomas was superb on bass clarinet and C-melody sax (and briefly on musette), summoning sounds in the lower registers that dwarfed all else. I have to think that he was inspired by the superb rhythms because at one stage Kidd just put his horn down and smiled broadly, like "How the hell did I get in the middle of this tornado" before striding over and facing off against Wimberly. Vizz certainly specializes in high energy sets and this might've been the best of 'em.

4. The previously mentioned Nicole Mitchell Trio: It isn't a coincidence that Bankhead's two performances were in my best-ofs.

5. Dennis Gonzalez's Yells at Eels: Finally meeting Dennis (I was blown away with how calm his voice is) was a highlight for me. But the set by Yells at Eels, starting at 1:45 am on the last night :eek: , was perfectly realized and he ended it by speaking for us all by saying "It's too late to play any more, goodnight." Nice to meet the boys who, if maybe not totally the musical peers of Dad, certainly bring their own ideas to the table. Nature and Nurture; if Dennis was my old man I'd be such a smoking sax player!!! Lake played as good as I've heard him. Not that anybody needs me to say this, but Dennis is a great horn player and overall musician.

6. Fred Anderson/Kidd Jordan/William Parker/Hamid Drake: I loved being at the Fred Fest.

7. Joe McPhee/Lori Freedman - Joe played alto clarinet and tenor sax and Lori was honking away on a bass clarinet almost as big as she was. A very nice meeting of two innovative minds.

8. Whit Dickey/Rob Brown/Roy Campbell/Joe Morris: Always nice to see the enigmatic Mr Dickey, a fine drummer and composer.

Biggest Disappointments:

1. Bill Dixon Quartet: I'm glad Eric got something positive out of it (Tony Widoff was the pianist/synth player) because I strained to do so and came up short. Jesse is correct that Bill has been mining this meditative echo-laden mode for at least 20 years; the difference to me is that in the earlier performances he played something interesting while doing so. Heavily echoed splats of sound just don't do it for me. Too bad because the sound set up for him was better than any of the other artists I saw.

2. Any performance with dancing: This is always a hard sell to me under any circumstances and I'm sure these were designed with better viewing capability at Clemete Solo Velez and when that fell through they were left with this extremely limited viewing space (not to mention that they projected print and video images which were, with one exception, pretty bad). At that stage the smart thing would've been to can the dances, since the music was pretty good for it (Rob Brown/William Parker/Alvin Fielder & Brown/Daniel Levin/Satoshi Takeishi), but I realize it's difficult to throw all the hard work away. Jo Wood Brown's (Rob's wife, I take it) art work was very good; the projection of it made you ignore the folds on the bedsheet it was projected on and the irritating dancers in front of it.

3. Josep