Obscure albums (heard of but never heard)

[Felix]

I have made a small list of rare records (LPs or hard-to-find CDs), I've heard about but never seen anywhere...

-Carla Bley, Michael Mantler, Steve Lacy, ...: Jazz Realities (Fontana, 1966).
-Anthony Braxton: Creative Music Orchestra (Ring/Moers, 1972).
-Anthony Braxton: Quartett Live At Moers Festival (Ring, 1974).
-Willem Breuker/Han Bennink: New Acoustic Swing Duo (ICP, 1967).
-Peter Brötzmann/Harry Miller/Louis Moholo: The Nearer The Bone, The Sweeter The Meat and Opened, But Hardly Touched (FMP, 1979 and 1980).
-John Carter/Bobby Bradford: Secrets (Revelation, 1971-72).
-Mongezi Feza: Music For Xaba (1972).
-Globe Unity Orchestra: Pearls (FMP, 1975).
-Steve Lacy: Disposability (RCA, 1965).
-Steve Lacy: Sortie (GTA/Polydor, 1966).
-Chris McGregor: Very Urgent (Polydor, 1967).
-Michel Portal: Our Meanings and Our Feelings (Pathé, 1969).
-Michel Portal: Chateauvallon 76 (L'Escargot, 1976).
-Bernt Rosengren: Notes from the Underground (EMI Sweden, 1973).
-Archie Shepp/Bill Dixon: Quartet (Savoy, 1962).
-Alan Skidmore: Once Upon A Time (Deram, 1969).
-Spontaneous Music Ensemble: Karyobin (Turtle/Chronoscope, 1968).
-The Trio (Surman/Phillips/Martin): By Contact (Ogun, 1971).
-Gyorgy Szabados: The Wedding (Hungaroton, 1973).
-Lennie Tristano: Descent Into The Maelstrom (East Wind, 1951-66).
-François Tusques: Le Nouveau Jazz (Mouloudji, 1967).
-Mike Westbrook: Citadel/Room 315 (Novus, 1975).
-Kenny Wheeler: Windmill Tilter (Fontana, 1968).

If you have your own obscure albums, or thoughts about any of the above, go ahead!

[Richardo Caerleoni]

I had a album (LP) by Bobby Jones - he played Tenor with Mingus in one of Mings late bands...

Bobby Jones clarinet, tenor sax
George Mraz bass
Freddie Waits drums
titles:

HILL COUNTRY SUITE

1 BRINGIN’ IN THE SHEEP
2 OLD JACK DANIELS
3 HALLELUJA! Y’ UNS ALL COME
TO THE WEDDIN’ DANCE
4 ONLY BLUE
5 LADY LOVE
6 THE GOSPEL TRUTH


Producer: Horst Weber
Engineer: Heinz Gärtig
Location: Trixi Studio, Munich
Rec. Date: August 30, 1974

"Jazz lovers remember Bobby Jones from his work with the Charles Mingus band. In the early 70's Jones did several recordings and tours with Mingus. After a dispute with the bandleader, Jones left the group and settled down in Munich. Together with Dusko Goykovich he formed his own band called "Summit". Due to his serious illness (that also caused his early death) he had to quit playing. "Hill County Suite" documents some of Bobby Jones best playing. Especially his beautiful clarinet tone is outstanding. "

Only now have bits on tape...some of it glorious...

RC.

P/S...I thought "The Trio"/John Surman/Stu Martin stuff was now re-released? Could be wrong?

[sonic1]

I have made a small list of rare records (LPs or hard-to-find CDs), I've heard about but never seen anywhere...

-Carla Bley, Michael Mantler, Steve Lacy, ...: Jazz Realities (Fontana, 1966).
-Anthony Braxton: Creative Music Orchestra (Ring/Moers, 1972).
-Anthony Braxton: Quartett Live At Moers Festival (Ring, 1974).
-Willem Breuker/Han Bennink: New Acoustic Swing Duo (ICP, 1967).
-Peter Brötzmann/Harry Miller/Louis Moholo: The Nearer The Bone, The Sweeter The Meat and Opened, But Hardly Touched (FMP, 1979 and 1980).
-John Carter/Bobby Bradford: Secrets (Revelation, 1971-72).
-Mongezi Feza: Music For Xaba (1972).
-Globe Unity Orchestra: Pearls (FMP, 1975).
-Steve Lacy: Disposability (RCA, 1965).
-Steve Lacy: Sortie (GTA/Polydor, 1966).
-Chris McGregor: Very Urgent (Polydor, 1967).
-Michel Portal: Our Meanings and Our Feelings (Pathé, 1969).
-Michel Portal: Chateauvallon 76 (L'Escargot, 1976).
-Bernt Rosengren: Notes from the Underground (EMI Sweden, 1973).
-Archie Shepp/Bill Dixon: Quartet (Savoy, 1962).
-Alan Skidmore: Once Upon A Time (Deram, 1969).
-Spontaneous Music Ensemble: Karyobin (Turtle/Chronoscope, 1968).
-The Trio (Surman/Phillips/Martin): By Contact (Ogun, 1971).
-Gyorgy Szabados: The Wedding (Hungaroton, 1973).
-Lennie Tristano: Descent Into The Maelstrom (East Wind, 1951-66).
-François Tusques: Le Nouveau Jazz (Mouloudji, 1967).
-Mike Westbrook: Citadel/Room 315 (Novus, 1975).
-Kenny Wheeler: Windmill Tilter (Fontana, 1968).

If you have your own obscure albums, or thoughts about any of the above, go ahead!

Interesting list. Even this Braxton nerd does not know that Creative Orchestra 1972 album (I am of course in love with the 1976 recording). Some of those would be good as part of the Atavistic Unheard Music Series.

[Nate Dorward]

Is Karyobin really already hard to find? A pity, if so.

[Dan G]

Richardo - Hill Country Suite is a good one. I lost a copy years ago - forgot to put it back in my bag after playing it at the radio station I was DJing at and someone took it. Finally replaced it a couple of months ago for $1!

A lot of that other stuff isn't that obscure - the FMP stuff, for example is often on Ebay. Even the Bennink/Breuker records shows up on occassion.

And yes, Nate, I think Karyobin is oop again. But still not too hard to find.

Sonic - send me a PM re: the Braxton Orchestra.

[Pete C]

I like Bobby Jones. I saw him once, with Mingus (the concert that was released as Mingus and Friends n Concert); his tone was very much like Clifford Jordan's, and I think that's one of the things that attracted Mingus to him.

[Jesse]

[QUOTE]

-John Carter/Bobby Bradford: Secrets (1971-1972)

I thought I had this, perhaps sold it.
I do have Carter's recording debut, Seeking, 1969.

-Globe Unity Orchestra: Pearls (FMP, 1975).

I have this one, a little worse for the wear & tear. It's a good date, though I rarely listen to GUO these days. I am inclined to spin Compositions/Improvisations, two dates on JAPO.

-Archie Shepp/Bill Dixon: Quartet (Savoy, 1962).

I have this on the Savoy vinyl. I enjoy it, Dixon pre-echoplex & a preponderance of his lovely tone.

-Lennie Tristano: Descent Into The Maelstrom

Got it. It required many listenings for me to find an entrance to Tristano's sound world. Pretty prescient in piano language.

[bostontricky]

-Carla Bley, Michael Mantler, Steve Lacy, ...: Jazz Realities (Fontana, 1966).
-Anthony Braxton: Creative Music Orchestra (Ring/Moers, 1972).
-Anthony Braxton: Quartett Live At Moers Festival (Ring, 1974).
-Willem Breuker/Han Bennink: New Acoustic Swing Duo (ICP, 1967).
-Peter Brötzmann/Harry Miller/Louis Moholo: The Nearer The Bone, The Sweeter The Meat and Opened, But Hardly Touched (FMP, 1979 and 1980).
-John Carter/Bobby Bradford: Secrets (Revelation, 1971-72).
-Mongezi Feza: Music For Xaba (1972).
-Globe Unity Orchestra: Pearls (FMP, 1975).
-Steve Lacy: Disposability (RCA, 1965).
-Steve Lacy: Sortie (GTA/Polydor, 1966).
-Chris McGregor: Very Urgent (Polydor, 1967).
-Michel Portal: Our Meanings and Our Feelings (Pathé, 1969).
-Michel Portal: Chateauvallon 76 (L'Escargot, 1976).
-Bernt Rosengren: Notes from the Underground (EMI Sweden, 1973).
-Archie Shepp/Bill Dixon: Quartet (Savoy, 1962).
-Alan Skidmore: Once Upon A Time (Deram, 1969).
-Spontaneous Music Ensemble: Karyobin (Turtle/Chronoscope, 1968).
-The Trio (Surman/Phillips/Martin): By Contact (Ogun, 1971).
-Gyorgy Szabados: The Wedding (Hungaroton, 1973).
-Lennie Tristano: Descent Into The Maelstrom (East Wind, 1951-66).
-François Tusques: Le Nouveau Jazz (Mouloudji, 1967).
-Mike Westbrook: Citadel/Room 315 (Novus, 1975).
-Kenny Wheeler: Windmill Tilter (Fontana, 1968).

Felix - I'm guessing you've seen Max Harrison's Essential Jazz Records Vol. 2, as it cites (what I can recall) the Rosengren, Szabados and Wheeler albums. I've heard the master tapes for Windmill Tilter were destroyed at some point; I'm wondering if Gilles Peterson would try to reissue a CD copy from a pristine LP as part of the next batch of his Impressed reissues. I'd love to hear that one.

I can help you out with Rosengren and Szabados - it took me damn near two years to find a used copy of Notes From Underground (I think I wound up ordering from a Swedish vendor while communicating with him in French, which led to some unintentionally funny exchanges), and I accidentally found a source for The Wedding when I bought another CD from a vendor in Hungary (via Netsounds) and asked if he could locate a copy of the Szabados CD. He's still out there, I believe.

I'd also love to see a coherent discography of Chris McGregor's work. You might have better luck finding Very Urgent might have been issued under The Blue Notes instead of McGregor.

I'm trying to figure out what else you've been peering at with the inclusion of Westbrook's Citadel/Room 315. Sources, I need sources...

Ricardo - The debut album from The Trio (from 1970) is available as a double-CD on BGO, simply titled "The Trio".

[Jesse]

bostontricky

I'd also love to see a coherent discography of Chris McGregor's work. You might have better luck finding Very Urgent might have been issued under The Blue Notes instead of McGregor.

Partial.



http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/ar...36#discography

http://home.worldonline.co.za/~afrib...hris_tony.html

[kh1958]

On Lp, I have the Tristano (the title cut is great), and the Bobby Jones (I need to listen to it again). *

[GoodSpeak]

BRAND X

[Felix]

I've never heard the Bobby Jones album, but I've heard him on the Mingus and Friends album.

I have Seeking by John Carter, a hat Art CD reissue (they also had a Warne Marsh album that was originally on Revelation, so maybe they wanted to put out Secrets as well???).

A few other rare albums that I've heard:
-Julius Hemphill: Dogon A. D. (Arista Freedom, 1972).
-Dudu Pukwana: Diamond Express (Arista Freedom, 1975).

I have those two on cassette somewhere, although it's been a while since I heard them since I don't have a tape deck anymore.

And a few weeks ago, I found a copy of the Joe Daley Trio Newport '63 RCA LP, with Hal Russell on drums. It's pretty good!!

Of course, I saved you the trouble of listing most of Sun Ra's Saturn albums that have not yet made it on CD.

[Kurt Anderson]

I've got a few of those:

- Chris McGregor, Very Urgent - much more outside and less African-y than the Brotherhood of Breath records on RCA

- Bernt Rosengren, Notes from Underground - a great record, but it would have had more impact if it had been edited down to a single disc focusing on the core quartet. Bernt's band with Tommy Koverhult is one of the great European groups of the late sixties, and their absolute masterpiece is Improvisationer. That baby smokes!

- The Trio, By Contact: I've never been particularly impressed by this one. Go for "The Trio" on Dawn (the old white cover two-fer, which I believe has been reissued on CD.

- John Carter/Bobby Bradford, Secrets: Again, you're not missing much. Go instead for the two records by this group on Flying Dutchman, especially Self-Determination Music.

- Brotzman/Moholo, Nearer the Bone: One of Brotz's greatest records. I've been looking for its companion, Open but Hardly Touched, for 20 years without success!

[Clay Fink]

I've got the Braxtom 4tet on Ring. A great performance by the classic group wuth Kenny Wheeler. I second the vote on "Self Determination Music", though I haven't heard "Secrets".

Re: The Bill Dixon on Savoy. I think he sounds god-awful on this. He plays so out-of-tune. According to liner notes in the CD reissue it says he was having trouble with his emboucher prefer his ecoplexed flatulence shtik, personally.

[walto]

I believe Karyobin has been reissued.

[Brian Olewnick]

-Dudu Pukwana: Diamond Express (Arista Freedom, 1975). .

Much of 'Diamond Express' is excellent, but for the real deal try to find Pukwana's "In the Townships", originally issued by Caroline, reissued a few years back (I forget the label). Fantastic record with lotsa space for the *GREAT* Mongezi Feza.

[Pete C]

for the real deal try to find Pukwana's "In the Townships", originally issued by Caroline, reissued a few years back (I forget the label).

Earthworks.

Wonderful indeed.

[Jiveman]

Re: The Bill Dixon on Savoy. I think he sounds god-awful on this. He plays so out-of-tune. According to liner notes in the CD reissue it says he was having trouble with his emboucher prefer his ecoplexed flatulence shtik, personally.

Wrong record! Bad chops--well...maybe, but "out of tune"???

Would love to hear that quartet record from 62'!

Never heard Feza either, nor the Wheeler

[Clay Fink]

Wrong record! Bad chops--well...maybe, but "out of tune"???

Sounds out of tune to me.

Which record are you talking about?

[bostontricky]

Couple more from the Harrison book:



Johnny Richards - Annotations of the Muses
Friedrich Gulda - Music for Four Soloists and Band

There's a guitar website that has a sample of Johnny Smith soloing on Muses here. MPS was supposed to have reissued the Gulda, but nothing has turned up yet.

Does Bill Russo's The Seven Deadly Sins count? The LP was originally issued on Roulette in 1960, so it can't be that uncommon.

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Also the Lars Gullin's Danny's Dream and Manchester Fog sessions (aka The Great Lars Gullin Vol. 5 1954-1955) on Dragon, if only because this is the only material to receive a crown from the Penguin Jazz Guide that hasn't made it to CD yet (although three OOP Swedish CD compilations will net you most of the material on the LP).

[bostontricky]

The burning question here is: who here among has access to a copy of Wheeler's Windmill Tilter? Sample here.

[burning dog]

The burning question here is: who here among has access to a copy of Wheeler's Windmill Tilter? Sample here.

My local library had a copy of it in the late 70's and I never got round to borrowing it. Interesting contrast of McLaughlin's playing on this compared with "Things We Like" from the same year.

I did borrow a copy of Citadel/Room 315.

A vinyl copy of Karyobin is going on Ebay for a starting price of 390 euros

[Surfer]

I posted this before, but this is my "heard of, but never heard" list. I am aware some fo these are available online and through eBay, but I have never gotten around to hearing them.

Mal Waldron - The Seagulls of Kristiansund
VAO - Nightride of a Lonely Sax Player
VAO - Nine Immortal Evergreens
Jan Allan - 70
Barre Phillips - Mountainscapes
Edward Vesala - Lumi (why is this disk so hard to find???)
Solal - Triangle
Solal - Balade du 10 Mars
Koglmann - Schlaff etc
Koglmann - A White Line
Marilyn Lerner - Birds Are Returning
Braxton - Dortmund
Braxton - Santa Cruz
Henning Orsted Peterson - Those Who Were . . . / Homage / Montmartre
Hemmingway - Marmalade King
Hemmingway - Down to the Wire

[Frisco]

Is there actually a second volume of the Milford Graves / Don Pullen duo collaboration. I remember a reference to it somewhere but have never seen it or heard of anyone who has.

[Felix]

Mal Waldron - The Seagulls of Kristiansund
VAO - Nightride of a Lonely Sax Player
VAO - Nine Immortal Evergreens
Jan Allan - 70
Barre Phillips - Mountainscapes
Edward Vesala - Lumi (why is this disk so hard to find???)
Solal - Triangle
Solal - Balade du 10 Mars
Koglmann - Schlaff etc
Koglmann - A White Line
Marilyn Lerner - Birds Are Returning
Braxton - Dortmund
Braxton - Santa Cruz
Henning Orsted Peterson - Those Who Were . . . / Homage / Montmartre
Hemmingway - Marmalade King
Hemmingway - Down to the Wire

I'm also curious about the Jan Allan, since Penguin seems to rate it pretty high. I have Mountainscapes, Lumi and Braxton's Dortmund (those you should still find easily enough). I have a CD-R of Down to the Wire, probably the best album I've heard by Hemingway (although Demon Chaser isn't bad either). The Soul Notes (Solal, Waldron) should still be available on Cadence or Verge (??).

I also have the Earthworks Pukwana CD, but I thought I liked Diamond Express better...

There is some confusion over the Dixon/Shepp Savoy record. The one on my list is from 1962. The CD reissue is from 1964, and does not actually feature Shepp and Dixon playing together, but instead with two separate groups, Shepp's being the New York Contemporary Five.

[Captain Hate]

There is some confusion over the Dixon/Shepp Savoy record. The one on my list is from 1962. The CD reissue is from 1964, and does not actually feature Shepp and Dixon playing together, but instead with two separate groups, Shepp's being the New York Contemporary Five.

I'm only aware of the Savoy where they play separately; I consider Dixon's part to be absolutely unsurpassed. I'm not exactly the motherlode of positive statements regarding Shepp.

I have the Carter/Bradford Secrets and found it mediocre at best.

I've always thought of Windmill Tilter as the Holy Grail but I think one of our friends (Martin or Gokhan??) has heard it and didn't think that highly of it.

[steve(thelil)]

Much of 'Diamond Express' is excellent, but for the real deal try to find Pukwana's "In the Townships", originally issued by Caroline, reissued a few years back (I forget the label). Fantastic record with lotsa space for the *GREAT* Mongezi Feza.

Bandwagon jumper.

[Capt.W./TX.]

Slowly but surely I'm finding the off-the-wall, hard-to-find stuff on eBay.

The Archie Shepp-Bill Dixon Savoy LP shows up there from time to time. Last time I saw it I bid but didn't get it; the closing price was about $65.00.

Horace Parlan's Blue Note LP's from the early 60's are fetching big bucks. Recently a VG+ vinyl copy of "Us Three" sold for over $800.00 (might be time to sell!!)

I recently scored two 50's RCA Tony Scott albums (a bitch of a clarinetist!).
One album had a twenty-something piano player named Bill Evans (!).

Am still looking for the CD edition of two early 60's Verve albums: Bob Brookmeyer's "Gloomy Sunday And Other Bright Moments" and Gary McFarland's "The Jazz Version Of 'How To Succeed In Business Without Really
Trying' ". If anybody here can suggest where else to look, I'd appreciate it!

[Brian Olewnick]

Bandwagon jumper.

Man, I was lauding Feza when Reynolds was, perhaps literally, in diapers!

[Clay Fink]

I consider Dixon's part to be absolutely unsurpassed.

I'll give it another spin tonight and see if it changes my opinion. I thought the other folk on the date were good and the comps were interesting. My memory, though, is that I couldn't stomach Dixon's playing.