Jazz on YouTube

**Vince Kargatis** · January-30th-2007, 07:39 AM

Still, it does put the burden on the describer to justify how they can deduce intent of the musicians from the music, which is generally not so easy (especially without lyrics), and why I think it should be an accusation used much more sparingly then it is.

Ron, you didn't mention how familiar you were with free jazz. Did you have that reaction within the context of being familiar with that general area of music, or would that general approach sound that way to you regardless? (It does have a decades-long history.)

**Paul B** · January-30th-2007, 07:51 AM

I'll never understand the need of a few here to parse the language of others. Most people on this board, including Mr. Thorne, write pretty well, given the informal nature of the thing. I certainly got what he was trying to say with the word "pretentious." Hell, even my decades-old Webster's defines the word as "ostentatious or showy," and that is certainly a valid interpretation--though obviously not the only one--of the clip in question. There are probably more important things to worry about than Ron's use of a word that I'm sure most of us had no trouble understanding.

**Vince Kargatis** · January-30th-2007, 12:40 PM

I still regard usage of the word as ill-advised when you don't actually mean the hard-to-avoid primary (negative) connotation. And I'm confident that many, even most users of the word do often intend that connotation, even when they don't justify and aren't justified in doing so.

In any case, I will continue to attempt to parse others' statements, as I know of no other way to glean meaning from them. :)

**Nim Chimpsky** · January-30th-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Paul B

I'll never understand the need of a few here to parse the language of others. Most people on this board, including Mr. Thorne, write pretty well, given the informal nature of the thing. I certainly got what he was trying to say with the word "pretentious." Hell, even my decades-old Webster's defines the word as "ostentatious or showy," and that is certainly a valid interpretation--though obviously not the only one--of the clip in question.

Presumably, your Webster's shows that the word is polysemous and therefore may need to be parsed by others in order to clarify the intended meaning. Isn't seeking this kind of information a major part of being of a discussion forum like this one? Ron clarified his views and I understand but respectfully disagree with what he says. No malice intended.

**Paul B** · January-30th-2007, 03:19 PM

You guys think too much about inanities. Ron's original meaning was pretty clear, regardless of dictionaries and parsing. It's cool that you have enough free time on your hands to worry about such things....

**Vince Kargatis** · January-30th-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Paul B

Ron's original meaning was pretty clear, regardless of dictionaries and parsing.

To you, perhaps. Quite obviously, it wasn't clear to everyone - at least I and presumably Nim Chimpsky took it with the primary meaning, hence starting this tangent in the first place.

**Nim Chimpsky** · January-30th-2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Paul B

It's cool that you have enough free time on your hands to worry about such things....

Thank you for taking the time to point out that I have too much free time.

**Paul B** · January-30th-2007, 04:08 PM

Indeed!

**burning dog** · January-30th-2007, 04:29 PM

Willie Smith w the Duke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icBL0CATUOE

**Ron Thorne** · January-30th-2007, 06:18 PM

Bill Evans Trio - Gloria's Step

**Ron Thorne** · January-30th-2007, 06:22 PM

Bill Evans Trio w/ Monica Zetterlund - Waltz For Debby

Fascinating!

**Weizen** · January-30th-2007, 07:39 PM

Posted this on the Stan Levey RIP thread but it should be here as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va5TbF8lniU

**Ron Thorne** · January-30th-2007, 08:28 PM

Rahsaan Roland Kirk in Hamburg - My Girl

**Tom Storer** · January-31st-2007, 08:03 AM

Sarah Vaughan scats the blues in 1969, dressed like a member of Sun Ra's orchestra.

**Weizen** · January-31st-2007, 08:45 AM

Tubby Hayes & Jimmy Deuchar '65

A great Deuchar number. I just think that he was the nads! This is almost as good (though sonically speaking, it is better!) as 'Swingin' In Studio Two' from his '57 Sextet date w/Hayes and Derek Humble on alto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXslx1loo0

**Tom Storer** · January-31st-2007, 09:20 AM

Lucky Thompson in Paris, 1959, with Bud Powell, Pierre Michelot, Jimmy Gourley and the *great* Kenny Clarke.

**Paul B** · January-31st-2007, 10:03 AM

A little bit of Steve Lacy, from the "Raise the Bandstand" DVD...

**Ron Thorne** · February-2nd-2007, 03:02 AM

This is short but sweet, and very nostalgic for me.

Cannonball Adderley Quintet - Straight, No Chaser - 1974

Walter and Roy look so hip in this video! Just like I remember them. Not to mention the obvious.

**Ron Thorne** · February-2nd-2007, 03:18 AM

Another wonderful clip of Cannonball, this time from his 1962 sextet with Joe Zawinul, Sam Jones, Louis Hayes, Yusef Lateef & Nat.

Cannonball Adderley Sextet - Jive Samba

**jaz4life** · February-3rd-2007, 05:04 PM

Ron,
Thanks for the links to the one with Monica & Bill Evans. I also like this one. Beautiful....too short though! I never heard that song before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-Ll...elated&search=

(formerly Ms Thang)

**Ron Thorne** · February-3rd-2007, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by jaz4life

Ron,
Thanks for the links to the one with Monica & Bill Evans. I also like this one. Beautiful....too short though! I never heard that song before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-Ll...elated&search=

(formerly Ms Thang)

You're welcome. There's an amazing group of hard-to-find clips on YouTube.

Thank you for linking us to that beautiful Legrand/Mercer ballad, jaz4life. It would be wonderful to see the entire performance or learn if a DVD is available for some of the performances represented in these old clips.

**burning dog** · February-3rd-2007, 05:52 PM

Sonny Rollins and Don Cherry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7g-YkEX2zQ

**Ron Thorne** · February-3rd-2007, 07:08 PM

Cool clip, burning dog.

Billy Higgins' ride cymbal almost made me scream, though. Henry Grimes was tearin' it up!

**Meatman** · February-3rd-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ron Thorne

Bill Evans Trio w/ Monica Zetterlund - Waltz For Debby

Fascinating!

I second that emotion!

**jaz4life** · February-3rd-2007, 09:23 PM

I forgot to mention that the Sarah Vaughan one is FANTASTIC also!

Wish there was a DVD available.

**BFrank** · February-4th-2007, 09:05 PM

Just found out about THIS smokin' set. Check it out.

Elvin Jones, Joe Farrell, Jimmy Garrison

**Ron Thorne** · February-4th-2007, 09:34 PM

Thanks for that one, BFrank.

It was painful to watch Elvin chasing his bass drum & mounted tom, though. That's not fun when you're playing, trust me. Even Joe & Jimmy were trying to help him keep things within playing distance. I guarantee you that his hi-hat was doing the same thing.

There's a simple solution that apparently wasn't requested prior to the performance.

What a power house!

**BFrank** · February-4th-2007, 10:12 PM

I hadn't noticed that, Ron. It appeared to be some sort of festival situation, though as there were 2 other drum sets to either side of Elvin.

Anyway, there can't be too many videos of Joe Farrell, so it's worth it for that alone.

**Ron Thorne** · February-4th-2007, 11:15 PM

Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it on many levels.

It's just that as a drummer, it was all too familiar and painful to watch Elvin struggle to keep things within reach.

Yeah, I noticed the other sets on either side of him, too. I also noticed that he was playing my brand of drums . . . Slingerland.

**larrycohen** · February-5th-2007, 11:05 AM

Hey all you musicians out there - you are now obsolete.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjONQNUU8Fg

Here's a robot playing Coltrane's Giant Steps

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