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    Top Ten Murder Ballads (with recommended versions)

    Pretty Polly (Mary Chapin Carpenter/ Edgar Meyer/ Darol Anger)
    There Is Something On Your Mind, parts 1 & 2 (Bobby Marchand)
    Love Henry (Judy Henske)
    Frankie & Johnny (Sam Cooke)
    Down By The River (Neil Young)
    Hey Joe (Jimi Hendrix)
    Knoxville Girl (Louvin Brothers)
    Irish Ballad (Tom Lehrer)
    I Hold Your Hand In Mine (Tom Lehrer)
    Long Black Veil (Lefty Frizell)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squaredancecalling Steve View Post
    Pretty Polly (Mary Chapin Carpenter/ Edgar Meyer/ Darol Anger)
    There Is Something On Your Mind, parts 1 & 2 (Bobby Marchand)
    Love Henry (Judy Henske)
    Frankie & Johnny (Sam Cooke)
    Down By The River (Neil Young)
    Hey Joe (Jimi Hendrix)
    Knoxville Girl (Louvin Brothers)
    Irish Ballad (Tom Lehrer)
    I Hold Your Hand In Mine (Tom Lehrer)
    Long Black Veil (Lefty Frizell)
    Down By the Willow Garden - Everly Brothers
    Red Dog Tracks - Chip Taylor and Carrie Rodriguez
    Red-Headed Stranger - Willie Nelson
    El Paso - Marty Robbins
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squaredancecalling Steve View Post
    Pretty Polly (Mary Chapin Carpenter/ Edgar Meyer/ Darol Anger)
    Heh. You should have heard me play and sing it as a teenage folkie (in the Dark Ages).

    I saw MCC at many coffeehouse gigs here in DC, but I don't own any of her albums and don't recall hearing her do "Pretty Polly."
     
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    Tom Dooley - I first heard it from the Kingston Trio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluenoter View Post


    I saw MCC at many coffeehouse gigs here in DC, but I don't own any of her albums and don't recall hearing her do "Pretty Polly."

    She does it on Darol Anger's great album Heritage (w/ Mavis Staples, Willie Nelson, Vassar Clements, John Hartford, Bela Fleck, David Grisman, and others).

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    My Old Flame (Spike Jones)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squaredancecalling Steve View Post
    Long Black Veil (Lefty Frizell)
    Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds have a killer (no pun intended) interpretation of 'Long Black Veil' on the album 'Kicking Against the Pricks'. They also have a whole album of traditional murder ballads that's excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Zamora View Post
    Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds have a ... whole album of traditional murder ballads that's excellent.
    Interesting! And on it he does an obvious one that we've forgotten:

    Stagger Lee (Lloyd Price)
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    I Shot the Sheriff - Bob Marley
    Me and My Uncle - Dead
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    "Psycho" Written by Leon Payne. Was his the definitive version? I know others have recorded it including Elvis Costello but I seem to remember hearing another version before Elvis's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milstead View Post
    "Psycho" Written by Leon Payne. Was his the definitive version? I know others have recorded it including Elvis Costello but I seem to remember hearing another version before Elvis's.
    Jack Kittel and Eddie Noack recorded it. I like Kittel's version the best.

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    I'm not sure if Long Black Veil should really be considered a murder ballad.

    The protagonist is unjustly executed, which is a technically a murder, but the point of the song is that he didn't murder anyone himself, but remains mute on his alibi due to his concern for his best friend and his wife.

    Obviously this harkens back to a different era of moral behavior.


    However, I would add this to the list: Dehlia.

    I'm most familiar with Dave Bromberg's version, but I'm sure a lot of other folkie folk have recorded it.

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    In The Pines aka Black Girl aka Where Did You Sleep Last Night? (Leadbelly)
    Louis Collins (Mississippi John Hurt)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert de St. Loup View Post
    Jack Kittel and Eddie Noack recorded it. I like Kittel's version the best.

    Thanks. That's the version I remember taping off the radio long ago when I used to tape stuff off the radio.

    I performed that song at an open-mic once while staring at some old lady having dinner in the back of the restaurant.
    "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anybody help me out? No."

    Craig T. Nelson

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    Johnny Paycheck's "(Pardon Me) I've Got Someone To Kill"

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    Quote Originally Posted by groover View Post
    I'm not sure if Long Black Veil should really be considered a murder ballad.

    The protagonist is unjustly executed, which is a technically a murder, but the point of the song is that he didn't murder anyone himself, but remains mute on his alibi due to his concern for his best friend and his wife.

    Somebody got murdered! That's how the song starts off.

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    Basing Street - Nick Lowe

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    Square, are you familiar with this album? I haven't heard it, but I've been wanting to get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squaredancecalling Steve View Post
    Somebody got murdered! That's how the song starts off.
    Yes, but that murder is secondary to the protagonist. He's neither the murderer or the victim. The murderer is never mentioned or speculated upon, and the victim is mentioned only once and incidentally. It's not technically a murder ballad, or at best an atypical example of the genre. It's a classic song, but I wouldn't put it in the top ten of murder ballads for that reason.

    Description of the genre

    A broadsheet murder ballad typically recounts the details of a mythic or true crime — who the victim is, why the murderer decides to kill him or her, how the victim is lured to the murder site and the act itself — followed by the escape and/or capture of the murderer. Often the ballad ends with the murderer in jail or on their way to the gallows, occasionally with a plea for the listener not to copy the evils committed by him as recounted by the singer.

    Some murder ballads tell the story from the point of view of the murderer, or attempt to portray the murderer in a somewhat sympathetic light, such as "Tom Dooley". A recording of that song sold nearly four million copies for The Kingston Trio in 1958. Other murder ballads tell the tale of the crime from the point of view of the victim, such as "Lord Randall", in which the narrator takes ill and discovers that he has been poisoned. Others tell the story with greater distance, such as "Lamkin", which records the details of the crime and the punishment of the criminals without any attempt to arouse sympathy for the criminal. Supernatural revenge wrought by the victim upon the murderer sometimes figures in murder ballads such as "The Twa Sisters" (also known as "Binnorie," Child Ballad #10).
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    Quote Originally Posted by me wag View Post
    In The Pines aka Black Girl aka Where Did You Sleep Last Night? (Leadbelly)
    That's another great old song, but who got murdered---her daddy? I always figured that he'd been decapitated in a railroad accident. (I'm going by a distant memory.)

    My daddy was a railroad man,
    Died a mile and a half from town.
    His head they found 'neath the driver's
    [driving?] wheel,
    His body has never been found.

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    Not sure that this one qualifies: Louis Collins -- Mississippi John Hurt
    Pretty sure this one does: Dupree's Diamond Blues -- Grateful Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cem View Post
    Pretty sure this one does: Dupree's Diamond Blues -- Grateful Dead
    Good call, Cem!
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    Does Skip James' "My Gal" count? Or how about "Crow Jane"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by walto View Post
    Does Skip James' "My Gal" count?
    Naaah. That's just a threat.
    Quote Originally Posted by walto View Post
    Or how about "Crow Jane"?
    Sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cem View Post
    Not sure that this one qualifies: Louis Collins -- Mississippi John Hurt
    I guess it's questionable but it's set up in such a way, by the lyrics and MJH's performance, to make you sympathetic to Louis and especially to his mother. Therefore, I tend to think that Louis pulled his gun in self defense and lost.

    But if not, then certainly Frankie (aka Frankie and Albert) by MJH qualifies.
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    "I'm just glad it wasn't machete night."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Zamora View Post
    Square, are you familiar with this album? I haven't heard it, but I've been wanting to get it

    Hey, Sergio!

    I haven't checked out any of Charlie's recent efforts. Actually, I was only aware of his 2007 s/t record that was nominated for a Grammy -- hadn't realized he'd put out a gospel album, a live album, and a couple of others since then until I looked for this one. I'll look into them more, but I remember thinking Charlie's voice sounded pretty dried up when I listened to samples of the s/t one in 2007.

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    Warren Zevon - Excitable Boy

    Well, he went down to dinner in his Sunday best
    Excitable boy, they all said
    And he rubbed the pot roast all over his chest
    Excitable boy, they all said
    Well, he's just an excitable boy

    He took in the four a.m. show at the Clark
    Excitable boy, they all said
    And he bit the usherette's leg in the dark
    Excitable boy, they all said
    Well, he's just an excitable boy

    He took little Susie to the Junior Prom
    Excitable boy, they all said
    and he raped her and killed her, then he took her home
    Excitable boy, they all said
    Well, he's just an excitable boy
    After ten long years they let him out of the Home
    Excitable boy, they all said
    And he dug up her grave and built a cage with her bones
    Excitable boy, they all said
    Well, he's just an excitable boy

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    Quote Originally Posted by me wag View Post
    Warren Zevon - Excitable Boy
    The story works, but is it a ballad? More of a murder rocker. Great song, though.

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