10 Year Anniversary of Kurt Cobain Dorkicide

[bobetterblues]

*sigh*

One last time, and please everybody, read this out loud to yourselves:

THEY ARE MY FUCKING OPINIONS!!!!! I AM NOT A DOCTOR, NOR DID I GRADUATE FROM THE BOBETTERBLUES SCHOOL OF UNIVERSAL UNDERSTANDING! BECAUSE MY OPINION IS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS DOES NOT MAKE ME A DIPSHIT AND YOU A GURU!

Do I need to be even more clear? Will this statement finally get through those thick heads? I won't hold my breath. Project what you wish upon me, but I am not attempting to sell my opinions as facts.

Jesus, you fucking people are amazing!

Ahh, "The Bobetterblues school of universal understanding" I like the sound of that. Scott, you wanna be the first to enrole?

So, now that you are admiting your opinions are just that, opinions and thusly not facts......are you willing to admit you don't know shit?

I am amazing!

[Scott Dolan]

Crawjo,

I'm sorry, but I can no longer discuss this subject in this forum. I'm sure you will feel no inclination to do so, but you are always welcome to contact me by e-mail.




I consider my good friend JBW to be a very intelligent and insightful man. We have traded numerous e-mails back and forth. For him to compare my mindset with Hitler, well, thats just weighing a bit too heavily on my mind.

I simply do not feel that I should weigh in on this matter publicly anymore than I already have.

After enjoying life so much those few weeks when I wasn't coming here, I am terribly amazed and confused as to why I came back.

[bobetterblues]

Crawjo,

I'm sorry, but I can no longer discuss this subject in this forum. I'm sure you will feel no inclination to do so, but you are always welcome to contact me by e-mail.

Bo, fuck you. Does that compute you sorry fucking loser? Look, at least I was willing to put my opinion out there. You, on the other hand have done nothing but come in here and tear away at others.

Notice how Crawjo and I have been able to carry on a mature and amiable discussion(sans our first two posts to each other)? Even though we are at odds with each other?

Must look pretty confusing to such a simple minded fool like yourself. But hey, even you could do it if you tried.

After enjoying life so much those few weeks when I wasn't coming here, I am terribly amazed and confused as to why I came back.

First of all, "Bo, fuck you, Does that compute you sorry fucking loser" is out of line. I was razzing you. Get over it, you baby.

Second of all, I've been challenging, not tearing away at you and Monte. The two people on this board that do more than enough of tearing and challenging than anyone else.

Its obvious to me, that you're a typical bully who can't take it when someone steps up to you and challenges you. Your actions here over the past year are all the backing up I need on that. This thread is typical of most of the threads I've read where you are a major contributor. You spout off, then people don't like it, you then contradict yourself, try to apologize, then end up saying "fuck you" to someone.

No wonder you get no respect.

THAT is why your "amazed and confused you came back" because you don't get it.

Leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out. (Same logic you have for people who are suicidal, remember? "GO AHEAD AND DO IT ALREADY") Bully.

(Now he edits his post. Nice one, and we're supposed to listen to this guy and take him seriously?)

[Scott Dolan]

I edited the post while you were typing yours asshole. Because I realized that I had over reacted. I'm sure you've never done that. You're far too perfect. Besides, my words live on in your post, so whats the big deal?

[crawjo]

Okay Scott, fair enough. I feel as if I have said everything I need to say on this subject, but if you want to question me further or continue the discussion, feel free to send me a pm and we can do that.

Why did you come to JazzCorner in the first place? I don't know the answer to that, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that you like jazz music. Maybe (and this is only a suggestion) what you need to do is just take a step back, stay away from the Alley for awhile, and spend some time listening to some music and sharing some of your thoughts on what you listen to over in Speak Out. Something non-political, you know? I realize that Speak Out is pretty slow these days. But even just a post every now and then, that's jazz-related, might improve your state of mind.

But listen, either way, no hard feelings. I apologized, you apologized, we're cool. I myself have come into a thread with guns blazing and then found myself in a battle I didn't want to be in, and then become discouraged about it. Do you remember when I made a big ass of myself by accusing Chris A of accusing you of using the term "towel head", only to find out with a little further investigation that it was Monte he was referring to, and that I, basically, had my head up my ass? I even remember Ron Thorne jumped in with a little warning, just saying (and this is a paraphrase) "Hmmm. Maybe you might not want to go around leveling such accusations when you're still new to a board." Good advice. Didn't follow it. My first instinct after that little debacle was to just leave JC for good and not come back. Instead, I found myself a new avatar and just brushed it off. It helped that Chris A, who I'd tussled with on numerous occasions, gave me a reprieve and suggested that we put that unhappy little incident behind us.

No doubt your combative attitude and willingness to get into heated exchanges (not to mention your conservative bent) has made you none too popular with some members of JC. But so what? So you've said some things you wished you hadn't. So you've been called names, and called people other names. I say wipe the slate clean. Go find yourself a new avatar, maybe relating to some musician that you like, and share with the rest of us your love for this music. The fact that you come in, then leave, then come back again, and then want to leave again tells me that you are pretty conflicted about this and not feeling really good about your participation in JC at the moment, but at the same time, you can't quite give it up. Go outside, breathe in the fresh air, listen to some good music, and bury the hatchet. That's my advice, not that you asked for it. But then, as Walto would say, WTFDIK?

In any event, I've enjoyed your contribution to this board, and had noticed and wondered why you hadn't been around recently. If you don't come back, that's your decision, but it'll be a bit of a bummer, as far as I'm concerned.

[john williams]

Apologies Scott, I think I overreacted and was a bit cranky yesterday anyway. I was just upset by your statement that Laz quoted regarding 'weak' people. A definite overreaction on my part and I will delete the post.

[frankenmeister7]

I really only know of Cobain from my twin brothers who liked the guy. Kurt's demise/downfall was from hooking up with that "love" chick. i really don't think that he sold out.

CL literally made him insane. she was the bullets for his gun. i don't think his suicide made such an impact on the music world as miss love claims. she is his widow and has taken him allocades away from him. her day will come when that bullet with her name on it will be kurts signing off to her in her dreams.

with her sporadic appearances in court for custody battle of ther daughter is a joke. what is with the bruises on her arms and will she not stop at making a fool of herself. she seems to be a greedy bitch to say the least. Kurt seemed to be overly sensitive when it came to his music and his daughter. i believe that Loves constant nagging about keeping up appearances is what drove the dude nuts.

[bobetterblues]

I edited the post while you were typing yours asshole. Because I realized that I had over reacted. I'm sure you've never done that. You're far too perfect. Besides, my words live on in your post, so whats the big deal?

I actually haven't done that. There's plenty of time to decide if you want to post something, its not like a conversation where you can't take things you say back.

Does your logic work in other areas? "So what if I stole a car, lots of people do it!"

You still stole a car, you still lost your cool, and you still can't fess up to it. You can't control your tongue, or post without calling people "asshole" "Bitch" "****" "Fucking loser" and whatever else you've said around here.

I've never gone that far because I respect the line of conduct on this board. You obviously don't and that's why you don't get respect.

What if we were having this discussion in person? Would you resort to trying to kicking my ass, tough guy? All for the little things I said, that in my estimation were pretty accurate. Since nobody has come to defense, I assume there are other people who agree with me that you're a domineering bully, who spouts off and can only dish it, but can't take it.

Go ahead call me another name dude, that really hurts.

[crawjo]

I actually haven't done that. There's plenty of time to decide if you want to post something, its not like a conversation where you can't take things you say back.

Does your logic work in other areas? "So what if I stole a car, lots of people do it!"

You still stole a car, you still lost your cool, and you still can't fess up to it. You can't control your tongue, or post without calling people "asshole" "Bitch" "****" "Fucking loser" and whatever else you've said around here.

I've never gone that far because I respect the line of conduct on this board. You obviously don't and that's why you don't get respect.

What if we were having this discussion in person? Would you resort to trying to kicking my ass, tough guy? All for the little things I said, that in my estimation were pretty accurate. Since nobody has come to defense, I assume there are other people who agree with me that you're a domineering bully, who spouts off and can only dish it, but can't take it.

Go ahead call me another name dude, that really hurts.

bobetterblues,

Cool it, man. You made your point.

[Scott Dolan]

First things first:

Apologies Scott, I think I overreacted and was a bit cranky yesterday anyway. I was just upset by your statement that Laz quoted regarding 'weak' people. A definite overreaction on my part and I will delete the post.

JBW, no. Please do not delete the post. That was not my intention. It's not that I found your post to be unfair, but more that it really made me stop and think. You have been a very good friend. Sometimes it's a slap in the face from someone I respect that I need to be able to understand the ramifications of things that I think and say. Your apology is not accepted because it is not warranted. Your opinion is one that I greatly value.

Now then:

Okay Scott, fair enough. I feel as if I have said everything I need to say on this subject, but if you want to question me further or continue the discussion, feel free to send me a pm and we can do that.

Thank you my friend. And please understand that I'm not trying to blow you off. But I feel that my contribution to this particular thread has worn quite thin, and is only seen as negative. Which is not my intent.

Why did you come to JazzCorner in the first place? I don't know the answer to that, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that you like jazz music.

You would be correct sir. A good friend of mine who posts here turned me onto this site. I always enjoyed discussing Jazz with the good folk here, because so many of them know more about it than I do. It's like playing chess, you never want to play someone worse than you. Know what I mean? Unfotunately, I allowed myself to get sucked into this whole "alley" thing. Truly my biggest downfall.

Maybe (and this is only a suggestion) what you need to do is just take a step back, stay away from the Alley for awhile, and spend some time listening to some music and sharing some of your thoughts on what you listen to over in Speak Out.

You're probably right. Although, I first built my reputation IN the speakout. You weren't around for the infamous "Queen Bee" days. But that was where I started to create what has become a VERY bad reputation.

Do you remember when I made a big ass of myself by accusing Chris A of accusing you of using the term "towel head", only to find out with a little further investigation that it was Monte he was referring to, and that I, basically, had my head up my ass?

Of course I do. But if I remember correctly, you were in the right on that one.

I even remember Ron Thorne jumped in with a little warning, just saying (and this is a paraphrase) "Hmmm. Maybe you might not want to go around leveling such accusations when you're still new to a board."

Well, that was simply an unfortunate situation for you because you came in and basically defended me. A MAJOR no-no on this site. What Thorne was basically saying was "be careful trying to defend this guy because it will come back to bite you in the ass". Though I have absolutely no love for Thorne, you're right, it was good advice.

So you've said some things you wished you hadn't.

It's nice to know that at least one person here understands that about me.

I say wipe the slate clean.

I appreciate your sentiment, but unfortunately it's a little too late for that. I have created a situation for myself that I liken to Al Franken in the eyes of conservatives. Once they see him, it doesn't matter WHAT he has to say, there's just that automatic reaction. You know? No matter what he has to say, it's going to be controversial and offensive. And I, like Franken, usually deliver. And I know that Mone will come in and say that I'm just feeling sorry for myself. Well, thats a bunch of garbage. I know I've created this situation, this persona. There's nothing to feel sorry about. Sometimes the consequences that I've created for myself are hard for me to withstand. But I can only point the finger of blame at myself. I'll live with it, I have to. I should have taken more care to mind my manners when I had the chance. But thats just me. Offensive to the bitter end.

Something that happened earlier in this thread perfectly illustrates what I'm talking about. A brief exchange that I had with Cookie last night. Though I will admit that Cookie is one of the few here that has continually given me the benefit of doubt. What I said to her last night was meant to be positive, but she took it in a completely negative way. Was it my fault, or did she simply misunderstand what I was saying? Doesn't matter. The end result was one that I was not comfortable with, and ended up feeling badly about.

Go find yourself a new avatar,

My goodness man! You cannot be serious. I have plumbed the depths and found what is likely the greatest avatar known to man!! And you want me to change it??!!

Besides, it would take a WHOLE hell of a lot more in my case. Trust me on this one.

The fact that you come in, then leave, then come back again, and then want to leave again tells me that you are pretty conflicted about this and not feeling really good about your participation in JC at the moment, but at the same time, you can't quite give it up.

Yes, it is an addiction. Most here will tell you that it's because I crave the attention. It's more because this is like a little dysfunctional family that I've grown to appreciate over time. Even those that I hate, and those that hate me.

I do not feel good about some of my participation here, but no one is really buying that. Once again, my fault. I tend to get heated, then cool down, only to get riled back up again, as my good friend Bo so aptly pointed out earlier. He and I have been at each others throats several times, but I feel that we both DO understand each other. You see, thats what I dig.

Go outside, breathe in the fresh air, listen to some good music, and bury the hatchet.

I did, I did, I do as often as I can, and well, as I said before, thats impossible. My good friend Tim is the only one who allowed me to "bury the hatchet", and I have been eternally greatful for that. He has been a very good friend to me over the short period of time that we've "known" each other.

But then, as Walto would say, WTFDIK?

Don't even get me started on that fence riding son of a bitch!

Nah, Walto's plain "alright" in my book.

In any event, I've enjoyed your contribution to this board, and had noticed and wondered why you hadn't been around recently. If you don't come back, that's your decision, but it'll be a bit of a bummer, as far as I'm concerned.

Thats very kind of you to say. I'll always be around, but I'll not be around as much as before. And I'll definitely be a "no show" on the political threads.

All in all, thank you my friend. A kind and wise post. That I will not forget.

[Scott Dolan]

"****"

Be very careful here, my friend. Not only is this a word I have NEVER used on this board, it is a word that I do not use PERIOD.

[bobetterblues]

Be very careful here, my friend. Not only is this a word I have NEVER used on this board, it is a word that I do not use PERIOD.

I actually quite like that word. I use it with a British accent and people don't seem to mind as much.

[tippy]

Stonemonkts, I apologize for being so darned defensive, your question was very logical based on the way I "organized" my post (which was not well thought out). You should not have not asked. I was rude. I am sorry for that.

[Scott Dolan]

I actually quite like that word. I use it with a British accent and people don't seem to mind as much.

Charlie Parker would've surely approved.

[stonemonkts]

This thread is amazing. Monte, way to go.

Just to be clear..."way to go" was meant as a scold.

I think Monte should be stripped to his skivvies, locked in a room with Al Franken (in wrestling gear), and forced to listen to Nirvana and Janis Joplin in turn until the cows come home.

Tippy - No need to apologize. Thanks for being so kind (this time)

[Brian Olewnick]

There's an interesting OpEd piece on Cobain in today's NYT by Thurston Moore (yes, you read that correctly). He concentrates on the musical and music business side of things, not the depressive/suicidal. Makes a case for intriguing speculation on what coulda been.

[Monte Smith]

There's an interesting OpEd piece on Cobain in today's NYT by Thurston Moore (yes, you read that correctly). He concentrates on the musical and music business side of things, not the depressive/suicidal. Makes a case for intriguing speculation on what coulda been.

Indeed. Cobain had a substantial gift for melody.