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    Best/most dynamic jazz bassist?

    Would anyone care to suggest who might be an innovator in Jazz bass? Thanks if you can...Curt

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    William Parker
    Mark Dresser
    Joelle Leandre

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    Joelle Leandre
    Barry Guy
    John Lindberg
    Dominic Duval
    Mark Dresser
    Dave Holland
    Ben Allison

    innovative, but not jazz
    Edgar Meyer

    and, although not innovators, mainstream jazz masters of the bass include
    Christian McBride
    Ray Drummond

    and I can't let the opportunity pass without mentioning the Grandmaster of the Washtub Bass:
    Fritz Richmond
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    Originally posted by Sergio Zamora
    William Parker
    Mark Dresser
    Joelle Leandre
    now thats a damn fine list.

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    While I don't have a quarrel with any of the names suggested, I'm quite uncomfortable with the generic implications of the word "innovator" and its countless definitions.

    To me, these sorts of best/most/hippest types of qualifiers are problematic at best.

    "Who might be an innovator in Jazz bass?"

    Are we only discussing "living" musicians?
    Last edited by Ron Thorne; May-16th-2003 at 03:54 AM.

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    i was tempted to mention the late jaco but those mentioned above all fits the bill as dynamic. i'll add tatsu aoki, barre philips and henri texier.

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    Dead or alive; I add Charles Mingus
    and the one where I started with: Slam Stewart
    Last edited by hermann; May-17th-2003 at 05:36 PM.

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    Hartsell Cash, 1924-2006 Tanager's Avatar
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    Scott LaFaro.
    Charles Mingus.
    William Parker.
    Steve Swallow.
    Dave Holland.

    (Limiting to living musicians seems so...limiting.)
    Last edited by Tanager; May-16th-2003 at 07:43 AM.
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    swing high swing higher Steve Reynolds's Avatar
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    big three

    John Edwards
    Simon H. Fell
    Paul Rogers

    and if you've never heard Barry Guy.....

    and lady Joelle is just incredible


    Dresser is great - NO ONE has a bigger sound live


    and in FOUR days - Paul Rogers live

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    Peter Kowald

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    live: Dave Holland

    departed: Ray Brown
    Mingus, and many others

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    I like all the names mentioned so far - but am surprised nobody has mentioned Paul Chambers - Mr. PC - so good, Coltrane wrote a tune for him!

    And for technical ability how about Nils Henning Orsted Pederson - can I say NHOP !

    Ron Carter has been on so many great records, you can't leave him out!!

    For great sound and great songs - how about Charlie Haden ...?

    But the list is endless!!

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    I would include:

    Marcus Miller
    Robbie Shakespeare

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    I'll add Gary Peacock to the list (he is near the top of mine).

    Think Mindset with Paul Bley (among other sessions), or his work with Jarrett, Albert Ayler! and Bill Evans.

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    Hartsell Cash, 1924-2006 Tanager's Avatar
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    Yeah, I thought about Peacock, too. This is another one of those "there have been so many good ones, why bother" lists.
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    Funny how these kinds of threads get started and Percy Heath's name always seems to slip through.

    And a younger cat, Jean-Jacques Avenel, the heart and soul of Steve Lacy's groups for 25 years.

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    I never thought this thread would grow like it has. Thanks to every one of you for adding to the list. I will check out these guys and try to learn from them on the bass. Cheers!

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    I'll have to go with Sergio's list here also, but I'd also add Richard Davis to that group. Don't know what it is, but I always thought that guy was simply incredible.

    Kent Kessler possibly?

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    I'm definitely a big fan of Richard Davis, and Santi Debriano, too. But then there's the nub of the question: innovative, or just great?

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    what about Aichy and Mbizo?
    Last edited by shrugs; May-16th-2003 at 04:11 PM.

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    Richard Davis

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    How ' bout

    Jimmy Garrison
    Reggie Workman

    Did anyone mention Sam Jones?

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    Anders Jormin - Jawdropping intonation and articulation in the thumb position. Plays in Bobo Stensen's groups.

    Charnett Moffett - Revolutionary right hand techique on upright. Addresses the strings in a manner similar to the best electric players. Uses his thumb and fingers for a percussive effect - uses pedals and effects. Fun.

    Bruno Chevillon - Plays in Louis Sclavis' groups. ...never seen anybody do some of the things he does.

    Pierre Cote - From Quebec City. Plays with Francois Carrier. Reminds me just a bit of the magnificent Jean-Jacques Avenel, mentioned above.

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    François Moutin is pretty incredible live and on record. He plays with Jean-Michel Pilc's trio and with his brother Louis in the Moutin Reunion Quartet.

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    yeah, Davis and Kessler are absolutely on my list.

    Patatucci is no joke either.

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    If we're talking about innovative, I still like LaFaro, b/c to my mind he was one of the first players in the "bassist as solo virtuoso" style, the sort of flashy step-to-the-forefront/play lots of notes kind. And he did it extremely well without overly dominating the proceedings. If he'd only lived longer, I think his position on this list would be beyond question.
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    I agree Tanager, you can also include Gary Peacock and Eddie Gomez.

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    Peter Kowald, first of all.
    Is solo album ("Was da ist" FMP CD 62) has NO equivalent in the history of recording music.

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    I heartily agree with Tanager's comments with respect to Scot LaFaro, and deeply regret his all too-brief life and career. He and Paul Chambers are at the top of my list for all-time great bassists.



    Scott LaFaro

    Marc Johnson strikes me in a similar way.

    Leroy Vinnegar also had a unique approach, in my view.
    Last edited by Ron Thorne; May-19th-2003 at 01:41 AM.

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    Malachi Favors
    Palle Danielsson
    Eberhard Weber
    Arild Andersen
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    Marcio Mattos
    Definitely: Johnny "Mbizo" Dyani
    Sirone
    Alan Silva

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