Incest and Jazzcorner

steve(thelil) · March-31st-2005, 03:52 PM

I used an intentionally provocative thread title to get you to read this. It's not a joke thread.

I'm not using the term incest to mean sex among family members. I'm using a secondary or tertiary meaning: extremely concerned with each other's person, to the exclusion of more beneficial concerns.

To me, the main problem here isn't that people have negative feelings about each other. If we were a real world in-the-flesh community of people who had relationships beyond being fellow posters, that would be a real problem in itself.

I think that bad personal feelings among some of us might be a problem, but that it is more importantly a sad by-product of the real problem: Too often we discuss each other.

Sure, it's fun when we are saying nice things about each other (especially when they are being said about me). But it can even be a turn-off to people who don't have a place in the circle jerk (propriety prevented me from calling it a *daisy chain*) to read one complimentary post after another, when they are personal in nature.

Don't get me wrong: Clearly, too many complimentary posts are not the heart of the problem. It's much more commonly characterized by the pissing contests that break out sooooo often. Some find alot of what is said hurtful or impolite or uncivil. I'm not disagreeing.

But to me, the nasty back-and-forth PERSONAL stuff is a drag because it's so fucking boring - at least compared to the idea-driven or humor-driven stuff that so many of us are capable of. And the personal bitchy stuff distracts us from the good stuff and turns away people who would rather talk about it.

As the godster is my witness, I have no particular qualms with ******* or ******** (names have been italicized for anonymity) , but even if I did, I'd much rather talk about and read about music or art or nostalgia or politics or psychology than about what an asshole ****** or ********** are when they discuss politics or music or art or psychology

If I haven't influenced anyone with that, how about this: Even if you are right about some jazzcorner/alley celebrity you are dissing, and even if he/she/thelil asked for it, are you someone who likes the idea of having PERSONAL arguments in public?

Even if I've been guilty of the that (please don't turn this into whether I have or haven't), the whole phenomenon is hard to understand.

I've said it before. I'll say it again. A good guideline for posting - especially when you're getting pissed and approaching getting pissy - is to focus on an idea being presented rather than what it says about the presenter. Write about that. If you're really ONLY thinking about the poster's personal attributes, don't write anything.

I can help you if you want it. But then again, I'm a fucking saint*

*Yes, this is contrary to the message contained in this post.

Gentle Giant · March-31st-2005, 04:03 PM

The point is, except for a few people who know each other in real life, no one here really knows anybody else, apart from what we've shared in threads. I certainly have a sense that I could be great friends with, say, Ron Thorne and patricia (among many others), but for all I know, Ron's the kind of guy who'll take the last chicken wing, and patricia might have a laugh that sounds like a seal with cleft palate. I don't know them as flesh and blood people, and for some reason they choose to live far away from me so it's conceivable I'll never meet them. Therefore, there's always a chance for misunderstanding and misrepresentation.

Now, what's this about incest, mofo?

sonic1 · March-31st-2005, 04:08 PM

Scott and I made love in a bat of chocolate.

clinthopson · March-31st-2005, 04:11 PM

Do we really know ourselves?

And how do you mean "know?"

There's more than one interpretation. I'll take number 17.

If it weren't for incest the population of Arkansas would be a lot smaller.

May we all gather together and sing a few choruses of Oop-bop-sha-bam.

Brian Olewnick · March-31st-2005, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonic1

Scott and I made love in a bat of chocolate.

Vampire or baseball?

March-31st-2005, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonic1

Scott and I made love in a bat of chocolate.

Was mentioning the chocolate part really necessary?

sonic1 · March-31st-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Olewnick

Vampire or baseball?

typo: VAT of chocolate. (that damn b is so close to the v), but carry on. I can go with "bat" of chocolate too.

Dr Dave · March-31st-2005, 05:31 PM

Now if this isn't goddam bait-and-switch I don't know what is. Here I am, minding my own business, opening this thread and looking forward to a steamy discussion of mother fucking and father raping, and what do I get? I get warmed-over Rodney King "Can't we all just get along."

I am sending a strong letter to the Secretary objecting to this kind of devious, misleading, underhanded, misrepresentational, deceitful, false, fraudulent, mendacious, untruthful, duplicitous, and downright dissembling thread title.

HenryMc · March-31st-2005, 05:47 PM

to the tune of

ALL I KNOW

I hate you

I hate you you hate me, but we both hate thelil eternally, eternally but we dont let it show.
I hate you and that's all I know.
All my posts are boring too,
especially when I rag on you, I rag on you and say you really blow,
I hate you and that's all I know.

When I read a post by Clint or Ron.
it makes me realise that most others are half assed, in obnoxious fonts or typed too fast,
put up in haste they never seen to go, I hate you and that's all I know.

When the poster just craps on and on,
it's a fine line between wit and a stifled yawn.
they say even on the internet you log off and life goes on.
thankfully some threads never seem to last, though in ****** 's case its never too fast,
they come to pass as all things come and go, I hate you and that's all I know.
That's all I know, that's all I know…

Let's all sing along
Its therapy baby

Chris D · March-31st-2005, 05:49 PM

I get what thelil is saying, and I agree. The meta discussions have to be off-putting for those not involved. "Enough about me, how much do YOU love me?"

March-31st-2005, 06:18 PM

Quote:

"Enough about me, how much do YOU love me?"

Couldn't have said it better myself!

GoodSpeak · March-31st-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gentle Giant

The point is, except for a few people who know each other in real life, no one here really knows anybody else, apart from what we've shared in threads. I certainly have a sense that I could be great friends with, say, Ron Thorne and patricia (among many others), but for all I know, Ron's the kind of guy who'll take the last chicken wing, and patricia might have a laugh that sounds like a seal with cleft palate. I don't know them as flesh and blood people, and for some reason they choose to live far away from me so it's conceivable I'll never meet them. Therefore, there's always a chance for misunderstanding and misrepresentation.

Damn straight, GG.

Dr Dave · March-31st-2005, 11:02 PM

From Barney's Evil Twin:

I hate you
You hate me
We're a dysfunctional fam-il-lee!

graypencil · April-1st-2005, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gentle Giant

The point is, except for a few people who know each other in real life, no one here really knows anybody else, apart from what we've shared in threads. I certainly have a sense that I could be great friends with, say, Ron Thorne and patricia (among many others), but for all I know, Ron's the kind of guy who'll take the last chicken wing, and patricia might have a laugh that sounds like a seal with cleft palate. I don't know them as flesh and blood people, and for some reason they choose to live far away from me so it's conceivable I'll never meet them. Therefore, there's always a chance for misunderstanding and misrepresentation.

Now, what's this about incest, mofo?

I'd like to state:

1. I do know Ron ( and his wonderful Patti ) ,and neither one would take the last chicken leg ..

2. It is actually I that has a laugh like a seal with a cleft palate ..

3. Speaking of incest: has anyone other than myself noted the similarity of visages between DUBBya and the banjo playing kid in "Deliverance"?

Now then, lets all grease up some fresh gerbils for the lil ,and commence a mass choir version of "Klactoveedsesteen" !

patricia · April-1st-2005, 03:42 PM

Thank you Phil for clearing up the question of who has the seal-with-a-cleft-palate laugh. My laugh would more accurately be compared to the low chuckle the palace executioner was rumoured to have had, during the reign of Elizabeth I of England.

Gary Sisco · April-2nd-2005, 08:49 AM

So, what. We throw out the last chicken wing because it's gauche to take it?

Fuck that, I'm with Dave. I thought this was going to be a steamy, incest-confession thread and instead it's more psychomom&pop gibberish.

I once fucked my second cousin. (Hey, she was hot....) We'd always mistakenly been told we were third cousins, and we thought of ourselves that way. I never found out we weren't until many, many years later, when someone walked me through the byzantine "first removed" business, which I still can't understand for the life of me. Seems as complicated as the lyrics to "I'm My Own Grandpa."

Anyway, she was hot. We were 15. I have no regrets about it. Indeed ...

Monte Smith · April-2nd-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

So, what. We throw out the last chicken wing because it's gauche to take it?

Fuck that, I'm with Dave. I thought this was going to be a steamy, incest-confession thread and instead it's more psychomom&pop gibberish.

I once fucked my second cousin. (Hey, she was hot....) We'd always mistakenly been told we were third cousins, and we thought of ourselves that way. I never found out we weren't until many, many years later, when someone walked me through the byzantine "first removed" business, which I still can't understand for the life of me. Seems as complicated as the lyrics to "I'm My Own Grandpa."

Anyway, she was hot. We were 15. I have no regrets about it. Indeed ...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Monte Smith · April-2nd-2005, 09:14 AM

Wipin' away tears here.

Dr Dave · April-2nd-2005, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gentle Giant

...but for all I know, Ron's the kind of guy who'll take the last chicken wing...

I'm taking the last chicken wing. Just so you know what kinda guy I really am.

Gary Sisco · April-2nd-2005, 06:25 PM

Fuckin' liar. I ate it for lunch, hours ago.

Clay Fink · April-2nd-2005, 07:14 PM

The TWO greatest things that have happened to JC:

1) The ignore function.

2) Separating Politics/etc. from the Alley.

If someone gets under my skin, or I just find their online personae toxic, I just add them to the ignore list. I come here to talk about Jazz and after I finally realized that I wasn't enjoying or recieving any illumination from the political threads I stopped participating in them. This site is fun for me now.

April-2nd-2005, 07:16 PM

I wouldnt say they are the greatest things.

Dennis Gonzalez · April-2nd-2005, 07:56 PM

What would you say, Mr. Guevara?

Sand · April-2nd-2005, 08:00 PM

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Gary Sisco · April-3rd-2005, 09:36 AM

Fink -- Don't ask and you won't have to hear the answer.

I have eleven on my Ignore List now. Ignorance is bliss, baby.

But when I get to 15, I'm bailing out.

Sand · April-3rd-2005, 11:04 AM

Sorry, Clay Fink, for dragging you into my illustration. I see you post mostly on jazz these days. I did find your humour funny earlier on, when I did read you more often. Your name has only been used for educational purposes here :-)

This place are going to look funnier and stranger to those not looged in, when people puts loads of posters on the ignore list. Lots of comic situations, unintended contextual insults and whatever.

Back to the image included above: I was just playing with the answer I got, when I put in the name of the moderator, trying out the ignore function.

I am looking forward to see what this looks like when everybody has 14 posters on their ignore lists and when they mostly are talking about what their ignored posters are talking about..

Or may be not.

Gary Sisco · April-3rd-2005, 07:20 PM

It's actually quite refreshing. Eventually, the bbs that I see will only have posts from my friends and myself. Ah ....

Clay Fink · April-3rd-2005, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sand

Sorry, Clay Fink, for dragging you into my illustration. I see you post mostly on jazz these days. I did find your humour funny earlier on, when I did read you more often. Your name has only been used for educational purposes here :-)

This place are going to look funnier and stranger to those not looged in, when people puts loads of posters on the ignore list. Lots of comic situations, unintended contextual insults and whatever.

Back to the image included above: I was just playing with the answer I got, when I put in the name of the moderator, trying out the ignore function.

I am looking forward to see what this looks like when everybody has 14 posters on their ignore lists and when they mostly are talking about what their ignored posters are talking about..

Or may be not.

I thought it was funny.