Joe Henderson Trio At The Village Vanguard

[doc wilko]

Hi there,

I'm a new user, is this the right place to ask if anyone knows what kind of 20th anniversary reisssue they're planning for those great Blue Note albums with Ron Carter & Foster. Can I cynically expect at least six CDs? The sleeve notes suggest that the repertoire might not have gone much beyond that on the original issues. Not that that would nor necessarily should be a bar on such releases (I'm not quite getting my head round 12 discs of the vandermark five, but that's somethign else, probably another thread I shall investigate.)

Before I go looking for a Ron Carter thread tho let me say how great he is on these, also on the Joey Baron Quartet albums, and especially on a number of McCoy Tyner albums to which I recently attended (a disparate thread must be McCoy's excellent new trio, with Moffett & Gravatt) - Real McCoy, Expansions (on cello yes), Extensions, and on to the 1977 SuperTrio with Tony Williams. Yum yum. It sounds like a natural sympathy between them (like - and this is a fairly standard view to which i subscribe - the way in which, even if you think Max Roach is, in general, a more interesting drummer than Blakey, nevertheless, Blakey is a better drummer with Monk than is Roach).
Anybody point to Carter & Tyner together but not so wonderful?

[Paul B]

Agree, these are classics, and worthy of a nicely-done re-issue.

Boo-Boo's Birthday, baby.

[burning dog]

Great records, don't know if I'd buy a six cd set . Agree about Carter, and The Real McCoy line-up, one of my all time favourites.

[marmite_sandwich]

Originally Posted by doc wilko

Anybody point to Carter & Tyner together but not so wonderful?

I agree about all the albums mentioned.

Wasn't there a rather dodgy tour and live album with Sonny Rollins and Al Foster, where they never really gelled?

[Dr Dave]

There is a wonderful live Joe Henderson Trio date on the Red label, with Charlie Haden and Al Foster. Recorded in Italy as a one-off in 1987, with Joe at the height of his powers.

[clinthopson]

Originally Posted by doc wilko

Blakey is a better drummer with Monk than is Roach).

IMHO Blakey is a better drummer than ANYBODY.

[Dan G]

Originally Posted by clinthopson

IMHO Blakey is a better drummer than ANYBODY.

Wow, I'd be curious to see the results of a who's better (or who do you prefer) poll between those two. I'd be voting for Max.

[burning dog]

Originally Posted by Dan G

Wow, I'd be curious to see the results of a who's better (or who do you prefer) poll between those two. I'd be voting for Max.

I'd vote for Max, but Blakey was great with Monk.

[BFrank]

I could never vote a "better" for Art or Max. They're 2 very different players.

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

There is a wonderful live Joe Henderson Trio date on the Red label, with Charlie Haden and Al Foster. Recorded in Italy as a one-off in 1987, with Joe at the height of his powers.

I've thought this to myself many times but doesn't Joe Henderson [from say, the mid 80's] look like the basketball icon Bill Russell?

[Jimmy Cantiello]

Yes he does, but from what I understand, Russell cannot play a note on the tenor. On the other hand, Henderson cannot execute a pick and roll to save his life.....................

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Cantiello

Yes he does, but from what I understand, Russell cannot play a note on the tenor. On the other hand, Henderson cannot execute a pick and roll to save his life.....................

Not these days anyway

[LeMo]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

There is a wonderful live Joe Henderson Trio date on the Red label, with Charlie Haden and Al Foster. Recorded in Italy as a one-off in 1987, with Joe at the height of his powers.

I prefer the Henderson/ Haden/ Foster meeting from Montreal who is part of the Charlie Haden's "Montreal Tapes" serie. Recorded in 1989.
They play three Jazz classics/ standards ("'Round Midnight", "All the Thing You Are", "Pasport") and one Haden's composition ("In The Moment").
Better sound and inspiration from beginning to the end than on "One Evening with Joe Henderson" IMO.

[Dr Dave]

Originally Posted by LeMo

I prefer the Henderson/ Haden/ Foster meeting from Montreal who is part of the Charlie Haden's "Montreal Tapes" serie. Recorded in 1989.
They play three Jazz classics/ standards ("'Round Midnight", "All the Thing You Are", "Pasport") and one Haden's composition ("In The Moment").
Better sound and inspiration from beginning to the end than on "One Evening with Joe Henderson" IMO.

I guess I'd better hear it, then!

[Gary Sisco]

Man, I love Joe Hen, but I have so much already, between his own dates and his gazillion sideman appearances, that I have all I'll ever need. Certainly enough so that I won't be buying anymore. I'd guess, of top tenor players, I have tons of each in a roughly descending order: Coltrane, Joe Henderson, Rollins (behind Joe in bulk only because Joe was on so many sessions as a side), David Murray, all *way* in the significant double digits, each. I'll likely buy the occasional new Murray release, still, certainly not all of them, but I have all I'll ever want or need or buy of the others.

[JazzJunkie]

I just noticed that today is Joe's birthday and embarrassingly, unlike Gary I have relatively few of Joe's recordings as leader. So few that I don't even know where to begin. (I have "In and Out", and that's about it.) Any suggests for most significant Joe? Or pointer to a previous thread? Thank youts!

[Jimmy Cantiello]

Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz

Not these days anyway

Uh, yeah, Mike, in my haste to make a joke I forgot about that one little detail.............

RIP, Joe Henderson

[hornplayer]

Originally Posted by doc wilko

Hi there,

I'm a new user, is this the right place to ask if anyone knows what kind of 20th anniversary reisssue they're planning for those great Blue Note albums with Ron Carter & Foster. Can I cynically expect at least six CDs? The sleeve notes suggest that the repertoire might not have gone much beyond that on the original issues. Not that that would nor necessarily should be a bar on such releases (I'm not quite getting my head round 12 discs of the vandermark five, but that's somethign else, probably another thread I shall investigate.)

Before I go looking for a Ron Carter thread tho let me say how great he is on these, also on the Joey Baron Quartet albums, and especially on a number of McCoy Tyner albums to which I recently attended (a disparate thread must be McCoy's excellent new trio, with Moffett & Gravatt) - Real McCoy, Expansions (on cello yes), Extensions, and on to the 1977 SuperTrio with Tony Williams. Yum yum. It sounds like a natural sympathy between them (like - and this is a fairly standard view to which i subscribe - the way in which, even if you think Max Roach is, in general, a more interesting drummer than Blakey, nevertheless, Blakey is a better drummer with Monk than is Roach).
Anybody point to Carter & Tyner together but not so wonderful?

Welcome to Jazz Corner, Doc. Interestingly, there is precious little discussion about anything relating to Ron Carter on these boards. Even this thread that you started has gotten completely away from your original question, with only one passing referral to Dr. Carter. I'm not sure why that is. I think he's one of the best bassists on the scene, and a creative composer. Most folks here seem to prefer musicians who are a little "farther out" than Ron..... perhaps that's at least partly why he's rarely mentioned.

As for Carter and Tyner together and not so fabulous, someone mentioned a late 70's "Supergroup" containing Tyner, Carter, Rollins, but I thought the pianist in that grouup was Herbie Hancock.... or did I dream that? I saw them in Chicago in concert at the Auditorium...

[Mike Schwartz]

I LOVE Ron Carter on countless dates and have enjoyed him dozens of times at various clubs and concerts.

Sorry to say, just about every recording under his own name has been a DUD IMO.
The most recent one was OK, but for a player of his great calibre, this has always puzzled me.

Go figure..........?

[Dr Dave]

Originally Posted by JazzJunkie

I just noticed that today is Joe's birthday and embarrassingly, unlike Gary I have relatively few of Joe's recordings as leader. So few that I don't even know where to begin. (I have "In and Out", and that's about it.) Any suggests for most significant Joe? Or pointer to a previous thread? Thank youts!

Gotta haves:

Mode for Joe
State of the Tenor Volumes I and II
Mirror, Mirror
Page One
In'n'Out
An Evening With...

[Mike Schwartz]

State of the Tenor Volumes I and II...extraordinary sides!!

[LeMo]

Originally Posted by JazzJunkie

I just noticed that today is Joe's birthday and embarrassingly, unlike Gary I have relatively few of Joe's recordings as leader. So few that I don't even know where to begin. (I have "In and Out", and that's about it.) Any suggests for most significant Joe? Or pointer to a previous thread? Thank youts!

"Inner Urge", "Basra" (Pete La Roca), "Point Of Departure" (Andrew Hill), "Page One", "Song For My Father" (Horace Silver), "In And Out", "Our Thing", "Trompeta Tocata" (Kenny Dorham), "Mode For Joe" (all on Blue Note), "Relaxin' At Camarillo" (on OJC this days), "The Montreal Tapes - Tribute to Joe Henderson" (Charlie Haden), "The Standard Joe" (on Red Records), "The State of The Tenor vol 1 & 2" (a bit academic to my ears) and "Mirror, Mirror" (MPS), according to my taste, of course, constitued his "millésime".

I think that the best records he has been on wasn't always his own.
But "Inner Urge" is the best he has recorded under his name, by far, IMO (El Barrio, baby!)

[jazzy mary]

I'm listening to "Trompeta Toccata" now! Fabulous recording!! If you can only buy a couple of Joe Hendersons (and you MUST!!--he is truly one of the greatest, most thrilling players), I would say "Mode for Joe" and "Our Thing" are the absolute essentials. (IMHO) . I like "Inner Urge" too but I think Joe's playing on the 2 which I consider absolute essentials are Joe at his best. If you can buy more than a couple--I go with "Trompeta.." and if you're interested in some later Joe his tribute to Strayhorn "Lush Life" is quite nice.

[burning dog]

Originally Posted by LeMo

"
I think that the best records he has been on wasn't always his own.

He was great on "Unity"(Larry Young) & "The Real McCoy" (McCoy Tyner) as well

[JazzJunkie]

Thanks! Sounds like "Inner Urge", "State of the Tenor" and "Mode... oh, I just scrolled down and noticed incoming... "Tompeta Tocatta" sounds real interesting by title alone -- okay, look for amazon's stock to shoot up a few points! Thanks again preciate it!

[jazzy mary]

JJ, please don't forget "Our Thing"!!

[Paul B]

As for Carter and Tyner together and not so fabulous, someone mentioned a late 70's "Supergroup" containing Tyner, Carter, Rollins, but I thought the pianist in that grouup was Herbie Hancock.... or did I dream that? I saw them in Chicago in concert at the Auditorium...

Hornplayer, it was indeed Tyner, at least at the show I saw at the Masonic Auditorium in San Francisco. There is also a live recording, which I still have on vinyl, which also has Tyner; not sure if it ever went to CD.

Bye-ya.

[Gary Sisco]

Joe's "So Near, So Far" is essential, to hear his, I think, most mature sound and approach.

[LeMo]

Originally Posted by burning dog

He was great on "Unity"(Larry Young) & "The Real McCoy" (McCoy Tyner) as well

Right on the spot. This two must be on the top of the list. I'll forget also (among many others, certainly) to name "Idle Moments" from Grant Green et "Black Fire", another terrific Andrew Hill, where his contribution is equally essential.

[jazzy mary]

Oh yes, "Idle Moments" is one of the all time great recordings!!