Someone recommend me some Roswell Rudd

Stuckinagroove · April-21st-2005, 04:51 PM

I got check out his group "Monksieland" in new york a couple weeks ago. I was absolutely blown away (literally and figurtively) by his fat sound! I'd like to get some recordings by him.
The concert itself was very good, Dave Douglas sounded great, Don Byron seemed to have an off night- showed up late and seemed kind of detached from the rest of the band. I would liked to have seen a different rhythm section (say, jim black and william parker). They were good, but dave and roswell seemed want to take it more "out"....but the rhythm section kept playing in the pocket- I wonder what it would've sound like if they let loose some more.

anyway....roswell rudd rec's ?

Frisco · April-21st-2005, 05:08 PM

Just thinking off the top of my head:
The package on Impulse called "Mixed" features Rudd's "Everywhere" record along with Cecil Taylor's contribution to the Gil Evans "Into the Hot" whicxh features a great teack with Roswell.

Anything that he did with Steve Lacy is great, IMO. "School Days", originally on Emanem, later on CD on Hat. "Regeneration" on Soul Note.

I'd reccommend his work with Archie Shepp as well. "Four for Trane" and "Live in San Francisco" on Impulse.

Steve Reynolds · April-21st-2005, 05:13 PM

I always recommend Elton Dean's "Rumours of an Incident"

with the *great* Marcio Mattos on bass and the even *greater* Mark sanders on drums

JamesH · April-21st-2005, 05:24 PM

I second his work with Archie Shepp. Just happened to be listening to some Shepp albums this morning.

Jesse · April-21st-2005, 07:19 PM

I am completely enamored after all these years of a Lacy session, Trickles ( originally on Soul Note), largely for Rudd's contributions. He has two solos on Trickles that sort of unselfconciously capitulate the history of "jazz" trombone, before leaping into the stratosphere. I don't know the in print/oop staus.

Indeed the Shepp dates cited, as well as the School Days joint.

Good to see your name again, SIAG.

stonemonkts · April-21st-2005, 07:24 PM

My favorite session with Roswell Rudd is "Regeneration" (Soul Note), which includes this stellar lineup:

Roswell Rudd
Steve Lacy
Misha Mengelberg
Kent Carter
Han Bennink

Edit: I see Frisco already mentioned it..well, I second his recommendation.

Frisco · April-21st-2005, 09:12 PM

What do you guys think of his JCOA, (was it?) Numatic Swing Band (or something to that effect) ? I haven't pulled it out in years but seem to remember not being too wild about it. I'll have to do a JCOA retrospective one of these days.

crawjo · April-22nd-2005, 01:35 AM

I'm not a huge fan of Rudd, but I do like the reissue from the Free America series, Roswell Rudd. In fact, I was just listening to it in my car tonight. Good stuff.

Tom K · April-22nd-2005, 05:18 AM

And give "The Unheard Herbie Nichols Vols I & II" (CIMP) a try - unpretentious, no-nonsense trio jazz (trombone, guitar, drums) with that CIMP-typical living room atmosphere.

sashabur · April-22nd-2005, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Frisco

What do you guys think of his JCOA, (was it?) Numatic Swing Band (or something to that effect) ? I haven't pulled it out in years but seem to remember not being too wild about it. I'll have to do a JCOA retrospective one of these days.

Well, his own JCOA album is kinda eclectic and not as good as some other JCOA's, but it is still quite good. But the best Rudd's stuff on JCOA is on Communications from 1968. He's also doing fine on Escalator.

Speaking of JCOA, anyone knows why there's no reissues, save for the aforementioned Escalator and Communications? I haven't heard the Cherry, but the Moncur and the Thornton are truly powerful records.

Brian Olewnick · April-22nd-2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sashabur

Well, his own JCOA album is kinda eclectic and not as good as some other JCOA's, but it is still quite good. But the best Rudd's stuff on JCOA is on Communications from 1968. He's also doing fine on Escalator.

Speaking of JCOA, anyone knows why there's no reissues, save for the aforementioned Escalator and Communications? I haven't heard the Cherry, but the Moncur and the Thornton are truly powerful records.

I'll strongly second checking out Rudd (and others) on the first two JCOA recordings. His solo feature on the Mantler productions is gorgeous and he's lotsa fun on the Bley.

His own Numatik Swing Band with the JCOA is uneven, imho, but its highs make it worth the purchase (if you could find the vinyl).

The first side of Cherry's "Relativity Suite" is some of my absolute favorite work by him, including especially his singing and the beautiful rendition of "Desireless". (btw, McPhee was in the original band for this date but couldn't make the recording--dammit!)

Leroy Jenkins' "For Players Only" might be the weakest of the series, though it has some moments of interest.

sashabur · April-22nd-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Olewnick

(btw, McPhee was in the original band for this date but couldn't make the recording--dammit!)

If you happen to have Thornton's "The Gardens of Harlem", it's a gatefold and there is a small picture inside - hard to see anything except the band is large

but Joe McPhee told me he is in there somewhere, because he was rehearsing with them for that recording too!

Jesse · April-22nd-2005, 05:11 PM

We discussed this before (Derek/Brian/myself), I've had Gardens... for years, and it is the debut of McPhee on vinyl.

Really nice date, to my ears.

Clay Fink · April-22nd-2005, 07:34 PM

I have this very strange Rudd LP on Horo called ?. Rudd overdubs and plays all the instruments. I remember it as being interesting.

My favorites:

His work with Carla Bley on "Dinner Music", "European Tour" and "Musique Mechanique" (which features one of Rudd's vocals).

His LPs "Everywhere" (on Impulse), "Flexible Flyer" and "Inside Job" (both on the Freedom label). "Flyer" features Sheila Jordan, BTW, and is a GREAT recording.

There's a nice CD of Rudd, Elton Dean plus Mujician that's worth hearing.

He also did a nice recording with Enrico Rava on ECM. I second the recomendations for "Regeneration" and "School Days".

While your at it, he also blows a few nice solos on Terry Adams' "Terrible".

I saw Rudd one time back in the early eighties with Adams and the NRBQ rhythm section of Joey Spampanoato and Tom Ardolino. "Regeneration" had just come out and I remember them doing a version of "2300 Skadoo", a long with a lot of Monk.

Anyone know anything about his stuff with Glen Hall?

sashabur · April-23rd-2005, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

We discussed this before (Derek/Brian/myself), I've had Gardens... for years, and it is the debut of McPhee on vinyl.

Ummm... isn't his debut on "Freedom and Unity" though? :/ The "Gardens" came out only in 1975, after a bunch of CJR records.

sashabur · April-23rd-2005, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Clay Fink

Anyone know anything about his stuff with Glen Hall?

I have a CD called "The Roswell Incident", on Leo. Rudd does play there, but the spotlight is not on him, so to speak...

Clay Fink · April-23rd-2005, 04:31 PM

Listened to "Flexible Flyer" last night. This IS a wonderful session. Jordan's vocals are as prominent, or more so, than Rudd's playing. I never picked up the CD reissue and have no idea if it's still in print.

BTW, the Horo LP is called "The Definitive Roswell Rudd".

Did listen to a cut from Glen Hall's "Roswell Incident" on iTunes (or at least the 30 seconds they allow you to listen to). They do a nice version of "King Korn".

The Buell Neidlinger session, "Jumpin' Pumpkins", has a nice group with Rudd, Lacy, Shepp (I think), Clark Terry and Cecil. Don't know the status of reissues for the Candid stuff. I've got it on the Taylor/Neidlinger Mosaic box.

Clay Fink · April-24th-2005, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuckinagroove

I got check out his group "Monksieland" in new york a couple weeks ago. I was absolutely blown away (literally and figurtively) by his fat sound! I'd like to get some recordings by him.
The concert itself was very good, Dave Douglas sounded great, Don Byron seemed to have an off night- showed up late and seemed kind of detached from the rest of the band. I would liked to have seen a different rhythm section (say, jim black and william parker). They were good, but dave and roswell seemed want to take it more "out"....but the rhythm section kept playing in the pocket- I wonder what it would've sound like if they let loose some more.

anyway....roswell rudd rec's ?

I've been thinking about this band. Couldn't they have found someone besides Byron to replace Lacy? I keep thinking of who would have been a better choice (and would show up on time without an attitude). Arthur Blythe? Ellery? Michael Moore? Myron Walden? Liebman? Lovano? Konitz? Greg Osby? I can think of quite a few people I'd like to hear with this band (of course I just really want Lacy back).

Which A&R guy came up with Byron? I have heard Byron play well, but based on his last CD as a leader I think his level of exposure is at odds with his level of playing right now. Or at least the consistancy of his playing; while I didn't like "Ivy Divey" too much, his work on the last Fotet date was pretty good. It just seems that some people get pushed out there (i.e. make the cover of "jazz Times" or "Down Beat"; get gigs at the Vanguard or Iridium; etc.) a lot more than others. Any comments on how this business works? Who's payed off J.J. Hunsecker?

Stuckinagroove · April-25th-2005, 03:22 PM

Thanks for the help guys. Many of these rec's seem to be out of print/hard to find. I ended up getting "regeneration" on ebay....

Re Don Byron: I like him, but for some reason he wasn't "on" that night. Really weird- he was sitting down at the far end of the stage, all the other horns were standing up...i dunno. The concert overall was really good though. Dave Douglas=