World's most dangerous terrorist...?

[jedione12]

I used to think the answer to this was Bin Laden, but after reading an article called "The Brain" (playboy's june issue), I switched my opinion to Khalid Shieikh Mohammed. Does anyone else agree with me? This guy was the mastermind behind so many terrorist attacks (incl. 9/11) that it made my head spin. It was also surprising to read that he received his bachelor's degree here in the States, with classmates describing him as a "class clown". Simply crazy, and scary when you think about it.

Thoughts or opinions?

Steve

[Monte Smith]

There was a well researched article on this "clown" in the Financial Times in 2002 or 2003. I agree, Khalid is very disturbing. This guy was the Austin Powers of terrorism. Haha! It sounds silly, but he was not bad at his job. And with his gifted little nephew, the shitface who bombed the WTC the first time, he managed to accomplish a truly horrifying feat of destruction.

I do enjoy that he is in permanent custody now in a very undisclosed location. Nobody knows if "we" have him, or someone "else" has him, or "what." He's in the crack. He occupies the fissure. And nobody seems to be curious about how he is doing. Where's the opposition press on this one?

Originally Posted by Satan

He's in the crack. He occupies the fissure.

Oh my!!!

That sounds like something RBS would be interested in. I mean, I know he only "experimented" in kissing guys, but you know where that leads.............

[Monte Smith]

He occupies the fissure.

There won't be a Khalid Sheik Muhammad funeral or trial in 2005. He was captured in March 2003, same month as the Iraq war started. Sometimes I fear that we don't know whether he is being mistreated.

[torsone]

Bush and its friends Blair and Berlusconi

[Noj]

Originally Posted by Monte Smith

There won't be a Khalid Sheik Muhammad funeral or trial in 2005. He was captured in March 2003, same month as the Iraq war started. Sometimes I fear that we don't know whether he is being mistreated.

Love the ever-so-slight sarcastic inference approving torture of POWs.

[Gary Sisco]

Bush & Co., Inc. No contest.

[Doc Martin]

Originally Posted by jedione12

I used to think the answer to this was Bin Laden, but after reading an article called "The Brain" (playboy's june issue), I switched my opinion to Khalid Shieikh Mohammed. Does anyone else agree with me? This guy was the mastermind behind so many terrorist attacks (incl. 9/11) that it made my head spin. It was also surprising to read that he received his bachelor's degree here in the States, with classmates describing him as a "class clown". Simply crazy, and scary when you think about it.

Thoughts or opinions?

Steve

What Gary Sisco said

I see you read Playboy for the articles

[clinthopson]

The tenant at 1200 Pennsylvania Ave. and his second in command.

[Darryl G. Thomas]

Aggie Pride!

My best friend was an early '80's graduate of North Carolina A&T, the college Mohammed matricukated at. A&T also gave us the Woolsworth counter sit in crew during the Civil Rights era.

I'll have to bust my homie's chops over this one.

[Monte Smith]

Originally Posted by Darryl G. Thomas

Aggie Pride!

Haha.

[Coda]

Seymour Hersh. Dan Rather. Yes, I'm kidding....but only slightly.

[Darryl G. Thomas]

Yeah, Hersh and Rather have blown up a whole bunch of stuff.

[Dr Dave]

coda, get with it, man. You want to nominate a media type, Rupert Murdoch is your man. He lives off fear.

[groover]

How about Michael Isikoff, Newsweek investigative reporter? Oy vey, another troublemaker!

How a Fire Broke Out
The story of a sensitive NEWSWEEK report about alleged abuses at Guantánamo Bay and a surge of deadly unrest in the Islamic world

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/


I just deleted a copy of the Koran off my hard drive. Don't tell anyone!

[hornplayer]

Originally Posted by clinthopson

The tenant at 1200 Pennsylvania Ave. and his second in command.

...along with a few of their cabinet members....

[Al in NYC]

Let's see now, we have those heinous Middle Eastern terrorists who have killed thousands of innocents over the last several years, and then we have those well-organized terrorists in Washington who have killed millions of innocents over the last 50+ years.

Hmmmmm.... who's worse?

I'd say it's in the billions by now.

You know, kinda like McDonalds!

[Gary Sisco]

Three million alone during the American war in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, Dolan. Never mind the dozens of others during the Cold War, which wasn't so cold in the Third World. Many millions were killed.

Hell, Central America alone: Guatemala went into the several hundreds of thousands dead, almost entirely civilians, almost all Indians, murdered by the cops and army. No one will ever know how many exactly. Another 75-80,000 civilians dead in El Salvador, almost all by the cops and army and their death squads (paid by the US throughout to the tune of a million bucks a day throughout Reagan Daze). Another 50k in Nicaragua during Reagan's terrorist war there, which came on top of the 50k during the anti-Somoza struggle, Somoza having been the most staunch US ally in the region at the time and who received the most arms and cash, by far, and was supported to the bitterest of ends by the US, including Jimmy "Human Rights" Carter. Never mind the tens of thousands of "disappeared" in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras during the 80s alone, all of whom can be safely considered murdered, since they never "reappeared." And in all of those places, as it always is, for every one dead there are many times more than that wounded and maimed.

Never mind the "dirty wars" in South America.

Never mind the apartheid wars in what used to be called the front-line states bordering South Africa. No one will ever know how many, but there were mindboggling numbers of dead. Those were huge wars, though barely registering in the US domestic news.

And then of course there are the many, many, many dead in Afghanistan and dying still.

And so on.

Easily dead in the tens of millions during the "cold" war.

What Scott knows about history is outstripped only by what he refuses to believe.

[crawjo]

Given what the United States has done to ordinary prisoners in its custody, I shudder to think at what has happened to KSM, not because I care so terribly much about him personally, but just because torture inflicted on anyone has negative repercussions.

The world's most dangerous terrorist...hmm, it's no longer bin Laden, and it's definitely not KSM. Who is the world's most dangerous terrorist? And please, no more smart-ass answers like "George W. Bush" or "Tony Blair." Being a terrorist is more than just inflicting terror on someone through violence: it's a specific political strategy, targeting civilians and high-profile targets with the hope of attracting attention to a dissident cause of some kind.

So, who is the world's most dangerous terrorist? I mean currently?

Bill Frist?

[Gary Sisco]

You're right. It's a specific strategy. That's why I named Bush, Inc. (which is US, Inc., since all but Alfred E. Shithead have blood careers in DC reaching back to Nixon days) which is not meant in any way as a smart-assed remark. I mean it quite literally. There is no comparison.

[Gary Sisco]

IRA? Child's play by comparison. The armed struggle (this current one) has been on since 1968. Three thousand dead, give or take. Not even a good day's work for the opening shots of Alfred E.'s Iraq invasion.

[Gary Sisco]

Self-censored needless remark.

Aw c'mon, Gary. What do you mean what I refuse to believe?


I believe that George Bush is the worlds worst terrorist.

I believe that George Bush is the dumbest human being to ever walk the face of the earth.

I believe that when you combine the deaths of all of those suffered at the hands of all the great American dictators of the past 50 years, the number is easily in the billions, and quite possibly bordering the trillions.

I believe that it was no coincidence at all that Ronald Wilson Reagan contained 6 letters in each name.

I believe that other than at the hands of some of the heavyweights, you know, Hitler, Stalin, etc., that every person that has died in this world since 1776 died at the hands, or by the order of whichever American dictator was in charge at the time.

I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.

Goddammit, Gary, what more do you WANT from me??!!!

[Gary Sisco]

I don't want a fucking thing from you and never have and never will.

Aw, give me a kiss you lovable brute.

[crawjo]

Gary,

To illustrate, I wouldn't call the greatest killers of the twentieth century, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, etc. terrorists. I think the term is more specific than that, and I don't think it's George W. Bush, regardless of what one thinks of his policies. In other words, I don't think terrorist is simply a word one should use to describe a mass killer. A terrorist is not the worst thing one could be.

I would go further and say that state actors who support terrorist entities are not themselves terrorists. Saddam Hussein, for example, was not a terrorist. Neither was the Taliban.

By my definition, I'm wondering who the most dangerous terrorist is, that is, someone like bin Laden or KSM, who directly plan terrorist attacks on civilian and other high-profile targets in order to attract attention to a dissident cause.

Originally Posted by crawjo

I would go further and say that state actors who support terrorist entities are not themselves terrorists.

Uh-oh. That puts a serious crimp in Gary's theory.

But I would have to agree 100%.

But on the flip side, how much terrorist action, or terrorists themselves, would exist without some kind of state sponsorship(monetarily, providing refuge, etc.)?

[Monte Smith]

Originally Posted by Scott Dolan

But I would have to agree 100%.

I would, too. You're quite right, David. But don't look to Gary to affirm this radical departure from his infallible definition of terrorism. After all, Gary has imaginary space on his pallet to fill and feverish dreams of rice quotas to meet. That can't be done by arbitrarily limiting the numbers of hypothetical terrorist supplicants improbably ending up on his doorstep asking for a pallet on the floor for a night and a bowl of honest Vermont rice.