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Coda · June-23rd-2005, 09:46 AM

"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Rove said Wednesday night. "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

"No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals," Rove said.

Slurpy · June-23rd-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Coda

"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Rove said Wednesday night. "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

"No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals," Rove said.

"Prepared for war" against WHOM, exactly? Where is the enemy?

(Hint: Not under Bush's desk)

June-23rd-2005, 10:19 AM

well, it's good that the administration has finally stopped using the tragedy
on 9/11 for its own political purposes.

(remind me which of the brave hawks for this brave war actually have combat experience and which ones got deferrals and cozy state-side postings?)

Root Doctor · June-23rd-2005, 10:26 AM

In Rove's descipably self-serving drivel we see the real problem before us, which is a belief that partisan hackery supercedes the interests of the US and its citizens. It's not conservatives versus liberals, Chubby, it's democracy versus Islamic fundamentalism.

Coda · June-23rd-2005, 10:27 AM

The enemy is the Taliban and Al Quada.

maybe the French too. Chirac definately, the rest of the bunch could be reformed.

Slurpy · June-23rd-2005, 10:36 AM

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The enemy is the Taliban and Al Quada.

NO!! I was asking Karl, where he thought these evil-doers might be?
Our admin has it's chips down on Iraq, but with our track record, they're
just as likely to living next door to Karl. IOW, we don't know but we do know freedom's on the march in Iraq.

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maybe the French too. Chirac definately, the rest of the bunch could be reformed.

And don't forget Randall Terry! He's a known terrorist, too (and perhaps soon, a GOP Senator..)

Tom Storer · June-23rd-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coda

"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Rove said Wednesday night. "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

"No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals," Rove said.

One wonders if Rove is really this moronically simple-minded or if it's pure cynicism.

"Liberals wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." It's like listening to talk radio.

Note that he is not at all explicit about "the motives of the liberals." He doesn't say what he thinks they are, only that nothing more needs to be said about them. Could he mean to say that liberals are motivated by a desire to help "the enemy"? He certainly could. These guys are going to keep pounding away on the theme of war and the enemy and so forth. Keeps attention away from other things.

Coda · June-23rd-2005, 11:05 AM

Yes they do Tom....in fact here is the next front in the race to the White House

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160442,00.html

groover · June-23rd-2005, 11:21 AM

For such a purportedly bright guy, Rove seems clueless or blindly partisan.

The enemy is potentially 1.1 billion Muslims. We can't actually defeat them, only encourage the majority of them to turn away from a radical interpretation of the Koran and pursue reform within their own societies. We can only survive by using a two-pronged approach, with a sword in one hand and an olive branch in the other, combining elements of the conservative and liberal approaches.

As noted in the current CIA report referred to in this current Newsweek article, The Enemy Spies (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8272786/site/newsweek/)
our Iraq adventure may actually end up making things worse, as the left has said all along. Now even the CIA agrees with them. Will Rove ever get a clue?

Slurpy · June-23rd-2005, 11:22 AM

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Yes they do Tom....in fact here is the next front in the race to the White House

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160442,00.html

What unbelievable pandering. Doesn't the majority party know there are more important issues to focus on, like that pesky lil War on Terror they started?

Root Doctor · June-23rd-2005, 11:27 AM

Even on his own terms, Rove is wrong about conservatives and the war. There was plenty of conservative opposition to our military adventure in Iraq, which was a split between Utopians and realists.

Coda · June-23rd-2005, 11:37 AM

Like that pesky lil war on terror THEY started? I think you just hit the root nerve. Do the 3,000 dead not count as a start? How about all the 'minor' terror incidents during the Clinton era, they don't count either eh?

Carl Rove seems to be right on the money with his comments and backed up by yours.

Root Doctor · June-23rd-2005, 11:40 AM

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Like that pesky lil war on terror THEY started? I think you just hit the root nerve. Do the 3,000 dead not count as a start? How about all the 'minor' terror incidents during the Clinton era, they don't count either eh?

Carl Rove seems to be right on the money with his comments and backed up by yours.

You're my favorite Jerry Van Dyke impersonator, Coda.

June-23rd-2005, 11:42 AM

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It's not conservatives versus liberals, Chubby, it's democracy versus Islamic fundamentalism.

Chubby = Ted Kennedy?

Root Doctor · June-23rd-2005, 11:50 AM

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Chubby = Ted Kennedy?

Teddy's fat, Rove is just rolling in prepubescent flab.

June-23rd-2005, 12:02 PM

And both spout the same outrageous horseshit, just from different sides of the aisle.

Slurpy · June-23rd-2005, 12:06 PM

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Like that pesky lil war on terror THEY started? .

Yup. Instead of simply going after the radical muslim terrorists, your boys had to start a crusade, I mean "The War on Terror" which for us good ol boys in the US of A know, means a war against anyone who wraps a towel around their head. You know, the evil ones. Darn tootin'

Sorry to hear you don't like the fact that the chicken's on his way home...

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Carl Rove seems to be right on the money with his comments and backed up by yours.

KKKarl Rove seems to be a deluded, partisan hack.

clinthopson · June-23rd-2005, 12:09 PM

The neos aren't conservative, they are radical reactionaries who, tragically, have way too much effect on our policies.

They have taken the opportunity afforded by 9/11 to force their paraniod issues.

True conservatives believe in living within our means and limiting federal interference in local issues and personal lives, not exactly what the current administration is up to.

June-23rd-2005, 12:25 PM

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"The War on Terror" which for us good ol boys in the US of A know, means a war against anyone who wraps a towel around their head.

Oh my.

Slurpy · June-23rd-2005, 12:34 PM

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Oh my.

Hey, boy!?! You hidin' a towel with that ter-lit seat there?!

June-23rd-2005, 12:36 PM

NO!!!!!!

I.....I only use it to dry off after my shower!!!

I swear!!!!!

crawjo · June-23rd-2005, 12:38 PM

When I was a subscriber to the Library of America, I received a list with the names of all the people who had acquired every volume in the series. Karl Rove was on that list. I wonder if he reads the books or if he just likes the way they look on his shelves?

Root Doctor · June-23rd-2005, 12:51 PM

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And both spout the same outrageous horseshit, just from different sides of the aisle.

I think Karl is more coherent.

groover · June-23rd-2005, 01:01 PM

The real threat to our society is not liberals but conservatives; in the Islamic societies, like Bin Laden, who want no dealings with corrupt infidels. As our society moves closer to Christian conservatism, the potential for conflict is only exacerbated. But then, both of those groups are salivating for Armageddon, aren't they?

hornplayer · June-23rd-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coda

"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Rove said Wednesday night. "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

"No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals," Rove said.

Hmmmmmmmm.... does that then mean that Conservatives are war-mongers?

chuckyd4 · June-23rd-2005, 01:15 PM

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And both spout the same outrageous horseshit, just from different sides of the aisle.

Amen to that.

I have little to no sympathy to the people who flew the planes into buildings on September 11th, I just wish our "war on terror" was targeting people who already had it in their heads to do that, not recruiting more people to the cause.

June-23rd-2005, 01:16 PM

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I think Karl is more coherent.

Which isn't saying much.

June-23rd-2005, 01:18 PM

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I have little to no sympathy to the people who flew the planes into buildings on September 11th, I just wish our "war on terror" was targeting people who already had it in their heads to do that, not recruiting more people to the cause.

Easy enough to say, isn't it?

tristano's ghost · June-23rd-2005, 02:33 PM

Rove is a despicable pig, but that's not exactly news, is it? Granted, he's generally a little shrewder than this... A*&hole. Funny that most of the victims of 9/11 were in NYC, one of the most liberal cities in the country. Funny that practically everybody signed on for going after the Taliban and AQ. Not so funny that little Rove & W. then parlayed all of that into our disastrous invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with the war on terror. HAD, I say, now that they've managed to turn Iraq into the premier training ground for global terrorism. Way to go, guys... and sign up some of your kiddies for the front lines while you're at it.

tristano's ghost · June-23rd-2005, 02:36 PM

Ha ha... just saw Kos' response (Kos actually wore the uniform and actually fought in a war, unlike nearly all of our current GOP leadership):

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He's right. We want to understand.
We want to understand why Osama Bin Laden hasn't been captured? Why did the administration take its eyes off Al Qaida to invade Iraq? I mean, Al Qaida is the enemy Rove himself said we had to defeat. But we haven't.

Instead of defeating our enemies, we went to war against an impotent enemy -- Saddam. And yes, we want to understand. Like, why did they lie to go to war in Iraq? Why is that war still going, unabated? Why are we no closer to victory now, than we were in when Bush declared "mission accomplished"? Why don't our troops have proper ammo? Why aren't there enough boots on the ground in Iraq? Why are we still dying in Afghanistan?

He's right. I want to understand. I don't understand why the administration hasn't called for sacrifice. Why won't war supporters enlist? Why won't they encourage their circle of influence to enlist? Why won't they level with the American people, and give an honest assessment of what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan?

I don't understand how our nation, always the good guys, is now perceived as the "bad guy" the world over. I don't understand how torture has become a commonplace occurance inside facilities that bear the stars and stripes.

No doubt!