Old October-4th-2005, 12:01 PM   #1
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American Snipers' View of Iraq War

Subject: [Fwd: Knight Ridder: US sniper interviews]
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> "The reason why they're fighting us is not Osama bin Laden. They're
> fighting us because we're here. . . . They don't want us here. They
> just want us to leave. I guess that would be a victory for them,'' he
> said. "As far as I can see there's not going to be any victory for
> us.''
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> http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...n/12798134.htm
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> U.S. SNIPERS SEE TROUBLE BREWING
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> By Tom Lasseter
> Knight Ridder
> Posted on Sun, Oct. 02, 2005
> AL-MUQDADIYAH, Iraq -- Sgt. Antonio Molina sat on a rooftop in the
> black of night, scanning the road before him with a high-powered
> sniper scope, hoping an insurgent would scramble out of a car to lay a
> bomb and give him a reason to squeeze the trigger.
>
> He and three other 3rd Infantry Division snipers were dropped off two
> weeks ago at a house on the outskirts of Al-Muqdadiyah, in an Iraqi
> province that military officials frequently claim is largely pacified.
> Dozens of infantry soldiers stormed the abandoned structure in a
> staged raid and left the four men behind. Alone with their rifles,
> they moved quietly, fearing that an insurgent ambush might catch and
> kill them before Bradley Fighting Vehicles could respond.
>
> "Some people don't get the gravity of the situation here; people in
> the 'green zone' are always trying to paint a rosy picture,'' said
> Molina, a 27-year-old sniper from Clearwater, Fla. He was referring to
> the fortified compound in Baghdad where U.S. officials work. "These
> politicians are all about sending people to war but they don't know
> what it's all about, being over here and getting shot at, walking
> through swamps, having bombs go off, hearing bullets fly by. They have
> no idea what that's like.''
>
> Military commanders in Baghdad and Washington say four Iraqi provinces
> are home to 85 percent of the daily attacks. They claim that a
> relatively low attack rate in Iraq's 14 other provinces is proof that
> the insurgency is on its knees.
>
> Al-Muqdadiyah is in one of those 14 provinces, Diyala. Yet five days
> in the field with a 3rd Infantry Division sniper team suggests that,
> to those on the ground here, the insurgency is anything but defeated.
>
> Many American troops on the ground in Al-Muqdadiyah expect the
> violence to continue long after they are gone. They worry that Sunni
> Muslim insurgents -- from a Sunni population that makes up 40 percent
> of Diyala -- will simply move from targeting U.S. forces to increasing
> attacks against Shiite Muslims, who compose 35 percent of the
> province. Shiites are a majority in Iraq, and they dominate the
> Baghdad government.
>
> Al-Muqdadiyah is a relative backwater of some 100,000 people. But the
> guerrilla war there, while gaining little attention, indicates wider
> instability than military leaders have acknowledged and could plague
> efforts to put the Iraqi government on its feet.
>
> "As soon as we leave this place they're all going to kill each
> other,'' Molina said in his barracks recently.
>
> His sniper team commander, Staff Sgt. Donnie Hendricks, agreed: "It's
> going to be a civil war.''
>
> Hendricks was quiet for a few moments.
>
> "We go out and kill the bad guys one at a time,'' said Hendricks, 32,
> who speaks with the soft accent of his native Claremore, Okla., where
> his high school graduating class had 55 students. "But we're just
> whittling down one group so it's easier for the other groups to kill
> them.''
>
> Fight grinds on
>
> Maj. Dean Wollan, the top U.S. intelligence officer in Diyala, said
> his men had made tremendous gains against the insurgency, but he
> worries that the fight will grind on for years.
>
> "I think it's going to be a while,'' said Wollan, 38, of Missoula,
> Mont.
>
> Commanders for the 3rd Infantry Division in Diyala said the number of
> attacks there had dropped from about a dozen a day last year to seven.
> Roadside bombs, they said, have decreased by a third. The latter
> trend, though, hasn't held up. In September 2004 there were 72
> roadside bombs detonated or found, but 106 in September 2005.
>
> "They say attacks are down. Well . . . we're not patrolling where the
> bad guys are,'' Hendricks said.
>
> In September, the Army began using bulldozers in Al-Muqdadiyah to
> discourage roadside bombs, tearing apart palm groves, fields and
> roadside stands in the areas near explosions that had targeted
> American convoys.
>
> On Route Vanessa, the main supply route to the base on the edge of
> Al-Muqdadiyah, explosives hit the military's bomb-detecting truck
> every day for 11 straight days in August. Commanders routinely call in
> F-16 fighters to provide close support for the vehicle.
>
> U.S. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, a military news officer in Baghdad, pointed
> to Diyala and the 13 other provinces in September as examples of a
> weakened insurgency.
>
> "So what I'm trying to show you is . . . there are indeed areas of
> Iraq that are relatively safe and secure, and those people in those
> provinces are working their way towards a peaceful society as they
> work their way towards democracy,'' Lynch said, motioning to a map of
> Iraq. "Sixty percent of the people of Iraq live in these provinces
> that are experiencing a much, much, much lower level of violence, to
> the point where they're averaging less than one attack per day.''
>
> Patrols reduced
>
> The U.S. military in Al-Muqdadiyah has reduced patrols from 24-hour
> cycles to two daily five-hour rotations. And instead of canvassing the
> entire area, the patrols now concentrate almost exclusively on Route
> Vanessa. The insurgents shifted their attacks and now regularly place
> bombs along that road.
>
> "The bad guys watch our gates. They know when we're out in sector.
> They just wait for us to leave and then they plant'' the bombs,
> Hendricks said. "They plant them with impunity.''
>
> A roadside bomb hit Hendricks' vehicle in June. He has scars on his
> face and neck and a piece of shrapnel in his jaw.
>
> Beyond U.S. patrols on the main supply route in Al-Muqdadiyah, Iraqi
> police and army units are responsible for much of the city.
>
> Sgt. Hunter Sabin has spent a fair amount of time near the Iraqi
> troops, and said that although they are getting better, they are still
> far from ready.
>
> "I was up in a guard tower,'' and Iraqi police "came up and offered us
> hash and whiskey,'' said Sabin, a 26-year-old sniper from Richmond,
> Va., who was in a Ranger special-operations unit during the 2003
> invasion. "That's who's protecting the people.''
>
> Hendricks taught a sniper's training course to a select group of Iraqi
> soldiers, but stuck to marksmanship.
>
> "I haven't taught them tactics because they're infiltrated,''
> Hendricks said. "It's like going to a party where you don't know
> anybody, but somebody in the room -- you don't know who -- wants to
> kill you.''
>
> Hendricks and his men are career military. Four of the seven are
> sergeants, the backbone of the enlisted ranks.
>
> Hendricks has spent eight of nine years in the military as a sniper,
> including five with the Army Rangers. Including his first deployment
> to Iraq in 2003, he has had nine confirmed kills and nine wounded.
>
> "It takes nothing,'' he said with a half-grin. "I don't care about
> these people.''
>
> The snipers have formed their impressions of the war on enemy ground.
>
> The team steals out of trucks on the back roads of Al-Muqdadiyah late
> at night and dashes into the cover of palm groves, scrambling over
> fences, jumping across canals and flattening against the ground when
> car headlights sweep by.
>
> They often sit in the same clearings that guerrilla fighters used days
> earlier to detonate roadside bombs. During a mission in a palm grove,
> the men pointed to empty cigarette cartons, water bottles and
> flattened stretches of grass as telltale signs that guerrillas were
> there recently.
>
> "Haji will use a position. We go find it, stay there overnight, and we
> know they're watching us,'' Hendricks said, using the pejorative slang
> for Iraqis. "We have them in the palm groves with us. . . . We hear
> them talking but we can't find them.''
>
> Sitting in the darkness, near the edge of a palm grove, Molina looked
> at the street in front of him.
>
> "The reason why they're fighting us is not Osama bin Laden. They're
> fighting us because we're here. . . . They don't want us here. They
> just want us to leave. I guess that would be a victory for them,'' he
> said. "As far as I can see there's not going to be any victory for
> us.''
>
> Sabin, sitting next to him, nodded.
>
> "In past situations you've had a good guy and a bad guy and the troops
> were impassioned, but now troops just want to go home,'' Sabin said.
> "I don't feel like there's a cause. I don't personally think there's a
> reason for this.''
>
> The two fell silent. Slowly, they went back to peering through their
> scopes, out at the darkness.
>
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Old October-5th-2005, 08:59 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Gary Sisco
> "They're
> fighting us because we're here. . . . They don't want us here. They
> just want us to leave. I guess that would be a victory for them,'' he
> said. "As far as I can see there's not going to be any victory for
> us.''
>
> Sabin, sitting next to him, nodded.
>
> "In past situations you've had a good guy and a bad guy and the troops
> were impassioned, but now troops just want to go home,'' Sabin said.
> "I don't feel like there's a cause. I don't personally think there's a
> reason for this.''
>
I hate to say it, but doesn't that sound like a certain campaign in southeast Asia back in the 60's and 70's that the Americans were part of?
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Old October-5th-2005, 10:22 AM   #3
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It sounds like a soldier sounds. People in combat don't sit around waving flags and thinking about mom and apple pie and all of that crap. They leave that for people like Monte. Soldiers just tell it like it is.

Snipers in particular don't give much of a fuck. They have a job to do and they do it. Their job is to choose individual people as targets and then explode their brains with a well-placed round. It doesn't make for a lot of sentimentality in a guy, and leaves even less room for political bullshit and propaganda, which is always aimed at Harry Television Viewer and Family. Grunts just shrug at it. In Vietnam the most common response to anything from a grunt was "It don't mean nothin.'" Ain't much different today. It's pretty hard for a spinmeister in DC to convince a GI that the reality in front of his face isn't the reality in front of his face. A GI that stupid becomes a dead GI fairly quickly.

Snipers are state-trained-and-paid hit men. They hit who they're paid to hit. They've little room in their rucksack for any flag-wrapped bohunk.
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Old October-5th-2005, 10:45 AM   #4
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"I was up in a guard tower,'' and Iraqi police "came up and offered us
> hash and whiskey,'' said Sabin, a 26-year-old sniper from Richmond,
> Va., who was in a Ranger special-operations unit during the 2003
> invasion. "That's who's protecting the people.''
Sounds like those Iraqis are just a bunch of fun-lovin' regular guys. Hope some of that hashish makes it back over here!

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Old October-5th-2005, 12:53 PM   #5
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Gary, thanks for posting this, interesting reading.

Friend of mine has just finished doing a web feature on GI resistance during the Vietnam war. Apparently there's one or two publications floating 'round the US military that resemble similar ones during that time, although I've not yet seen them.

http://libcom.org/history/articles/v...ance/index.php
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Old October-5th-2005, 12:53 PM   #6
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One thing I find interesting is when Pentagon officials appear before Congress to report on the status of this war. Their performances remind me so much of reporting during the Vietnam War it's not funny.

"We're staying until we get the job done". No we're not. What the "job" is is not defined. That definition has been very fluid depending upon the rationalization of the week.

We're staying as long as the people of America tolerate the lost of lives and money.

But reading a "grunt's eye view" is revealing. Comparing the reality on the ground versus the fiction of the politicos.

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Old October-5th-2005, 01:06 PM   #7
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Thanks for posting that Gary. I know most of the flag wavers I speak to really have no clue what a member of the armed forces does on a daily basis.
To them a watch is something they wear on their arm.

Another little story to ponder:

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0...l?ESRC=navy.nl
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Old October-6th-2005, 09:58 AM   #8
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Hi, Shrugs. Not surprising really when something substantially less than 1% of the entire population has spent any time in uniform -- and many times less than that in combat of even a minor variety.

I get my stats from an article in the NYT some years back. Only 1% of the people below the age of 65 at the time had done any time at all in the service, and that would have included everyone who served during the Cold War, Vietnam, or etc. Since many of those are dead by now (and WW2 vets a nearly disappeared species dying at more than 1000/day) and no substantial increase in numbers signing up has taken place (its opposite has), today the percentage would be much less than 1%.

I don't make comparisons with Vietnam because the two situations historically, politically, and militarily are hugely different. What is extremely similar is the government's idiotically stubborn refusal to recognize blatant reality, despite all evidence, and to therefore "stay" a moronic and murderous course.

Stubbornly pursuing an idiotic policy is a sign of idiocy in itself.
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Old October-6th-2005, 04:22 PM   #9
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Stubbornly pursuing an idiotic policy is a sign of idiocy in itself.
Monte?????
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