Old March-8th-2006, 08:31 AM   #1
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Human Quadrupeds

Family may provide evolution clue

The siblings may have reverted to an ancient form of locomotion


Five siblings from Turkey who can only walk on all fours could provide science with an insight into human evolution, researchers have said.


The three sisters and two brothers could yield clues to why our ancestors made the transition from four-legged to two-legged animals, says a UK expert.


But Professor Nicholas Humphrey rejects the idea that there is a "gene" for bipedalism, or upright walking.


A BBC documentary about the family will be shown on Friday 17 March.
Professor Humphrey, from the London School of Economics (LSE), says that our own species' transition to walking on two feet must have been a more complex process that involved many changes to the skeleton and to the human genetic make-up.


However, a German group says a genetic abnormality does seem to be involved in the siblings' gait.

Coordination problem


Two of the sisters and one brother have only ever walked on two hands and two feet, but another sister and brother can occasionally walk on two feet for a short time.


In this position, both their knees and their head are flexed.
Calluses on the hands show the behaviour is no hoax (Image: Nicholas Humphrey)

The five siblings live with their parents and 13 other brothers and sisters and were born with what looks like a form of brain damage.

MRI scans seem to show that they have a form of cerebellar ataxia, which affects balance and coordination.


However, scientists are divided on what caused them to revert to quadrupedalism (walking on all fours).


The method of locomotion used by the Turkish children and by our closest relatives chimpanzees and gorillas, differs in a crucial way, said Professor Humphrey.


While gorillas and chimpanzees walk on their knuckles, the Turkish siblings put their weight on the wrists, lifting their fingers off the ground.

Tool use


"What's significant about that is that chimpanzees ruin their fingers walking like that," Professor Humphrey, an evolutionary psychologist, told the BBC News website.
The five siblings grew up in a remote part of Turkey



"These kids have kept their fingers very agile, for example, the girls in the family can do crochet and embroidery."


He added that calluses pictured on the hands of one family member demonstrated that the behaviour was not a hoax.


Professor Humphrey said this could be the way that humankind's direct ancestors walked.


Hands which have kept the fingers dextrous would also have been able to manipulate tools, a key development which influenced the evolution of the human body and intelligence.


"I think it's possible that what we are seeing in this family is something that does correspond to a time when we didn't walk like chimpanzees but was an important step between coming down from the trees and becoming fully bipedal," the LSE researcher said.

'Infant walking'


Professor Humphrey thinks that the brain abnormality simply caused the siblings to rediscover a form of locomotion used by our ancestors.
"Because of the peculiar circumstances they were in, they kept walking as infants," he said.


But a team led by Stefan Mundlos of the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany, thinks that the genetic abnormality which causes the children's unusual gait may have played a more fundamental role in evolution.


Professor Mundlos has located the gene on chromosome 17 and speculates that a gene important in the transition to bipedalism may have been knocked out in the children.


Series producer Jemima Harrison said the programme's producers were moved by the family's "tremendous warmth and humanity".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4782492.stm

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Old March-8th-2006, 08:48 AM   #2
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It's too difficult to believe that there're five siblings that can only walk on all fours, let alone provide evolutionary insight. Gotta be a hoax.
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It's too difficult to believe that there're five siblings that can only walk on all fours, let alone provide evolutionary insight. Gotta be a hoax.
Normally I'd be suspicious. But Humphrey is a first-rate hoax detector, as well as one of the more brilliant guys out there. Maybe he's been duped, but in the meantime, I'm betting he hasn't been.
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Old March-8th-2006, 09:13 AM   #4
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I'd be careful about walking behind one of them.
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Old March-8th-2006, 10:21 AM   #5
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People who can't walk upright? This isn't news. They can be seen all the time at the Pepsi Center in Denver at Colorado Avalanche games.
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Old March-8th-2006, 10:33 AM   #6
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I frequently have dreams in which I run up the stairs in my childhood home on all fours. They are so frequent and realistic that I'm not sure whether I used to do it alot. I think I did.
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Old March-8th-2006, 12:03 PM   #9
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Normally I'd be suspicious. But Humphrey is a first-rate hoax detector, as well as one of the more brilliant guys out there. Maybe he's been duped, but in the meantime, I'm betting he hasn't been.
If he was duped, so was the London School of Economics. Last year it published a research paper that's available online:

Human hand-walkers : five siblings who never stood up

Humphrey, Nicholas and Skoyles, John R. and Keynes, Roger (2005) Human hand-walkers : five siblings who never stood up. Discussion Paper. Centre for Philosophy of Natural and Social Science, London, UK.

Additional Information: Published 2005 © London School of Economics and Political Science.

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Old March-8th-2006, 12:14 PM   #10
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I'd be careful about walking behind one of them.
I'd be careful about walking around Chelsea section of Manhattan like that.
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Har de har har.
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