FS: Mosaic CD Sets - Art Blakey and Atlantic Jazz

Kevin Bresnahan · April-2nd-2006, 10:46 AM

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US shipping is $10 for one, $15 for both. International shipping is extra.

$200 MD6-141 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Art Blakey's 1960 Jazz Messengers (6 CDs)
Set # 2712 bought direct from Mosaic.
Box, booklet, CD art & CDs are all Mint - CDs look un-played, which I know to be false.

$85 MD4-179 - The Atlantic New Orleans Jazz Sessions (4 CDs)
Set # 3625 bought direct from Mosaic.
Box, booklet, CD art & CDs 1-3 are all Mint - CDs look un-played. CD 4 is still sealed.

Kevin

MRS · April-2nd-2006, 03:45 PM

eBay that Bu, Kev

Kevin Bresnahan · April-3rd-2006, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MRS

eBay that Bu, Kev

EBay is going down the tubes at the moment, unfortunately. The crooks seem to be winning. I am just about ready to stop using it altogether. There may be some decent sellers still there, but lately I haven't found them.

Kevin

Kevin Bresnahan · April-9th-2006, 08:54 AM

Lowering the price on the Atlantic Jazz box to $80 plus $8 shipping to the US/Canada. $14 shipping International.

Gary Sisco · April-9th-2006, 01:19 PM

I check the seller's feedback before buying anything at all, regardless of price or any other question. Direct, public feedback like that is the best "market correction" ever.

crawjo · April-9th-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Bresnahan

EBay is going down the tubes at the moment, unfortunately. The crooks seem to be winning. I am just about ready to stop using it altogether. There may be some decent sellers still there, but lately I haven't found them.

Kevin

I haven't used it too, too much, but I have yet to have had a really bad experience, where I bought something that was never delivered as promised.

Kevin Bresnahan · April-9th-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

I check the seller's feedback before buying anything at all, regardless of price or any other question. Direct, public feedback like that is the best "market correction" ever.

Unfortunately Gary, I'm in the middle of a nasty transaction with a seller with perfect feedback. He has perfect feedback because he refuses to leave the buyer feedback first, in essence holding the buyer's feedback hostage. I'd love to give this terrible seller a negative but I know he'd just give me one right back and I don't want that negative. So he'll keep on ripping people off and there's nothing we can do about it.

BTW, if I did give him a neg and he gave me one back, it would hurt my buying power. There are many sellers who cancel any bids from a buyer with negative feedback. They figure a buyer with a negative ain't worth dealing with.

Kevin

Gary Sisco · April-10th-2006, 09:13 AM

Hi, Kevin. Sorry to hear about your dispute. It must be a real pain in the butt. I dislike that practice of the buyer witholding feedback until its own is received, very much, and it is all too common. Almost 100% in my experience. I personally won't leave any feedback at all, unless the person is someone I know and trust personally, until *after* I've received whatever I've paid for and made sure that it is in the stated condition (amazing how many people will send out a CD with a completely trashed jewel case, talk about cheapskates). I highly recommend that everyone follow that practice.

I also think that Ebay should disallow that practice. Once a buyer has paid up, the buyer's part of the transaction is finished and the seller should be required to leave feedback then -- not after they receive their own, for reasons like your own experience in this dispute and also out of elemental fairness and simple courtesy. Holding back feedback like you say is in fact a kind of blackmail, and it can be used as a retaliatory weapon, and I'm sure it is by a certain number of rip-off artists with access to the web. Ebay should police such practices heavily, but of course the 'net being anonymous if you want it to be, the same person can return with a different identity, easily enough.

But there were as many rip off artists before ebay or the 'net as there are with it. The good part is that customer feedback, at least most of the time, is public, which was never the case, except extremely locally, with traditional brick-and-mortars, never mind corporations. Word of mouth on the 'net is at least potentially worldwidedly public. Before, it was as extremely local or didn't exist at all.

Kevin Bresnahan · April-10th-2006, 11:36 AM

eBay refuses to acknowledge the problem so in their eyes, there is nothing to fix. It would be a simple software switch to only allow buyer feedback after the seller leaves it and they know this. However, eBay's policies are all slanted toward the seller. They make their money from the seller, not the buyer so that's who they protect.

The fact that eBay's feedback is now useless just hasn't sunk into the masses yet. It'll take all of us to get burnt once or twice by a seller with perfect feedback before we all realize what's going on.

Just know this: perfect feedback does not mean that it's a good seller.

If you are really wondering, the next time you check out the feedback of a seller, check the time/date stamp that they left feedback for an item and then go to the buyer's feedback page for that item and cross reference it. If you find a seller that leaves feedback first (which is neigh on never these days) then it's safe to assume it's a good seller. If the seller only leaves feedback after getting it, you could get screwed.

Kevin

Jon Abbey · April-10th-2006, 11:48 AM

well, I'm primarily a seller on eBay, and I totally agree with Kevin about the feedback thing. I always leave feedback once the person pays.

but I don't really agree that eBay's policies are all slanted towards the seller, though, as I got totally screwed a while back when a buyer I had sent a registered package to never got it (it ended up being returned to me by the nice people at the post office). they went so far as to close my PayPal account (PayPal is an eBay subsidiary), which not only impacted my eBay account, but my Erstwhile business.

Kevin Bresnahan · April-10th-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Abbey

well, I'm primarily a seller on eBay, and I totally agree with Kevin about the feedback thing. I always leave feedback once the person pays.

but I don't really agree that eBay's policies are all slanted towards the seller, though, as I got totally screwed a while back when a buyer I had sent a registered package to never got it (it ended up being returned to me by the nice people at the post office). they went so far as to close my PayPal account (PayPal is an eBay subsidiary), which not only impacted my eBay account, but my Erstwhile business.

eBay may own PayPal, but they are totally isolated from each other.

For instance, the recent problem I've been having with a seller was resolved in my favor by PayPal and I got my payment refunded. This caused my auction listing to revert back to "Unpaid". The seller then filed an "Unpaid Strike" against, which eBay first granted, then rescinded. Next, the seller filed a police report saying that I damaged the CD and that I should not have been able to get my money back. All the while, eBay did absolutely nothing because they say, "We're not PayPal. Any problems you have with PayPal, you have to deal with them".

Ditto with trying to get PayPal to help resolve an issue with eBay. No one can do anything with eBay! No one will speak to you. Sure, you can "Chat" with the their "Live Help" tool, but the people you chat with offer canned responses (just like their e-mails) and they have no authority to do anything. I am betting that these chatters are outsourced to another country. I'm guessing India.

FWIW, I actually filed a complaint with the FTC over eBay's unwillingness to let me speak to someone. Complaint #7958711. I dare you: try to speak to someone over there! It's impossible.

Gary Sisco · April-11th-2006, 08:31 AM

There have always been rip-off artists and always will be. There isn't a way to fix that, really.

I just think that the sellers' holding back of feedback is fundamentally unfair, because, as I've said, the buyer's part of the program is done once he or she's paid up, so the seller should be required to leave feedback then, not later. There's no legit reason to hold back if you've been paid for an item you have for sale.

But, I don't do much buying at all on ebay, and when I do, I normally do it from people or ebay stores I've already dealt with satisfactorily.

Actually, I've bought more from Jon via ebay than from anyone else, as I'm not interested much in auctions and it's not necessary to search ebay stores for a decent price on available recordings. It's done just easily elsewhere and often with less expensive shipping charges. I might bid on the very occasional record but that's about all. I did get a good deal on some used speakers, but that's the only merchandise I've bought using ebay except records.

Jon -- You'd be amazed how many times the post office has fucked us over, including with registered mail. In the calendar year 2004, they cost us over a grand in "lost" stuff, including one box of 600-bucks worth of stuff that was scanned as having arrived at our local post office but never got to us. The PO considers anything scanned at the local post office as having been delivered. Whether the addressee receives it or not, matters not to them. After three days of protesting at increasingly high places in its incredibly and stupidly elaborate hierarchy, one honcho finally told us that we could fill out ______ form to complain but he also told us that no one ever reads the forms and certainly there's never a response. So I asked him what was the point. He told me flat up that there isn't any point. It doesn't matter if you protest verbally or with their _____ form. They consider it delivered once it's reached the local PO, period.

Nothing like it. A guaranteed job for life with pension and bennies unto death at which you have to answer to no one you serve, for any reason.