Braxton labeled degenerate by M.A.N.

[Dennis Gonzalez]

From the Mothers Against Noise website:

Wolf Eyes- This band next to Lightning Bolt is the most popular current Noise band involved in the conspiracy. In 2004 Wolf Eyes signed a major label deal with Sub-Pop Records, whom poses as an independent label, the Sub-Pop label was responsible for bringing the band Nirvana to the mainstream in the 90's. This is proof that this current wave is no longer a passing fad, and with this new platform for exposure Wolf Eyes has preached nihilism, alcohol abuse, abrasive noise and graphic displays of violence and death (one album covers pictures a young girl with a knife thru her face) While some of Wolf Eyes music walks the line of industrial (like Nine Inch Nails or Throbbing Gristle) most of it is completely unlistenable garbage. They manically tour around the world playing their brand of rebellion at extremely loud volumes and encourage there fans to break laws and assault the police. One look at their "song" titles says it all: Stabbed in the Face, Human Slaughterhouse, Sandpapered Eyes... etc. Wolf Eyes is dangerous because it attracts fans from metal, punk, industrail, and even jazz. They have collaberated with the likes of: Free Jazz degenerate Anthony Braxton, Sonic Youth, so-called party rocker Andrew WK and others directly involved in this Conspiracy.

[Sergio Zamora]

There was some discussion about this website a while back. I believe it was determined to be a fake of a hoax. That is, it's supposed to come across as a hoax, but in fact it was set up by major label hacks to promote Andrew WK...or something like that.

[chuckyd4]

Originally Posted by Sergio Zamora

There was some discussion about this website a while back. I believe it was determined to be a fake of a hoax. That is, it's supposed to come across as a hoax, but in fact it was set up by major label hacks to promote Andrew WK...or something like that.

Correct. Set up by Sony or Universal or one of the other major 5, I can't remember which. I actually thought it was pretty funny, though.

[Sergio Zamora]

Here's the original thread...

http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speake...ad.php?t=13475

Shilling aside, I thought it was funny too. Kind of a weird marketing ploy, though, since my understanding is Andrew WK's current mainstream music is very different from the stuff he recorded with Hanson (the noise label, not the band).

[Clay Fink]

It's actually backed by JALC Sounds like some of Rob Damen's copy.

[sonic1]

Originally Posted by chuckyd4

Correct. Set up by Sony or Universal or one of the other major 5, I can't remember which. I actually thought it was pretty funny, though.

REALLY??? How did you find out about that??

[Dennis Gonzalez]

There are several Mother Against Noise websites and lots of conspiracy theories abound. If you look at the link I added, and then go to their links, it's pretty strange stuff...

Braxton, of all people, though.

[Jon Abbey]

I'd bet that's a Thurston Moore quote, Dennis, totally tongue-in-cheek.

[chuckyd4]

Originally Posted by sonic1

REALLY??? How did you find out about that??

Check the original thread that Sergio just posted.

I guess an artist is an artist is an artist in some circles. Wonder if Wolf Eyes has music chops?

I didn't know pot has 433 active ingredients, huh.

[amfortas]

Anyone here like WolfEyes?
Am i missing something, anyone care to recommend something?

[Jon Abbey]

Wolf Eyes can be very good live, they've had two incarnations, both trios. the earlier one was Aaron Dilloway, Nate Young and John Olsen, then Aaron left about a year ago and Mike Connelly from Hair Police replaced him. their best recordings as far as I know (they have dozens and dozens) are Mugger, Stabbed In The Face, Lost Sockets and Fuck The Old Miami, all with the original lineup. the newer lineup doesn't have many recordings yet, but I like the recent Six Arms and Sucks on Esquilo.

we had a thread about this already, but here is Thurston Moore's reporting of the Wolf Eyes/Braxton meeting at Victo last May, with a bit of background:

"victo fest - friday - braxton has intense press conference in hotel - after spending 20 minutes on each question where he goes way off on tri-axioms and jazz history metatheoretics. coley asks last question: "is it true you cleaned out the wolf eyes merch table at a swedish festival last year?" -- braxton leaps up and says wolf eyes are the new universe and he decided right then and there to move to stockholm and become a cook so he could be closer to this music. then he learns they are from michigan and his worldview is shifted and he realizes that there is hope for america with new angels of art existing here like wolf eyes. he claims his friends now refer to him as anthony "wolf eyes" braxton. no shit. so wolfs and hair po show up and we hit the hotel bar hard and braxton appears after his duo gig with fred frith and connects with wolfs and nate asks braxton if he would like to smoke a joint. "I would be honored to smoke marijuana with the wolf eyes". Again, no shit. Next day braxton is at gig (3 pm) and nate asks braxton if he wants to jam w/ the wolfs and braxton says yes, just let me know when and nate says play the whole gig dude. So after more weed blowing they hit the stage. the audience is all seated at round tables in a huge theatre called the Colisee. Hair police already decimated this crowd, they were awesome. But now we're tripping. this is too unreal. Braxton swoops in and out of the jams, at one point doing killer long sax tone duets w/ olson. Nate announces stabbed in the face. and then olson asks braxton what jam they should do next. "Black Vomit" sez Braxton. seriously, no shit. unbelievable sickness. that night dead machines/double leopards jammed together till 1 am then back to hotel bar for extreme wind down "

http://ecstaticpeace.com/victo.html

[Gary Sisco]

How about Men Against Nitwits?

[john williams]

This "essay" is hilarious.

A MOTHER SPEAKS OUT ABOUT NOISE MUSIC
"Noise Music" is an awful form of music that is more unpleasant and psychologically destructive than the worst forms of Heavy Metal, Rap, and Punk Rock. It has no musical structure and spreads a gospel of desensitization, anger, degredation and harm. It is growing in popularity and is a threat to families and children that can't be ignored.
The main problem with "Noise Music" is that it represents a complete acceptance of a "human order," and a complete rejection of the civilized world, which is built upon the natural order--Gods Order. We were given harmony and melody to sing joyous songs, not to wallow in depraved human misery and pain. Art and music was given to us to bring joy, happiness and lift the spirit, it is the sound of our soul. Children always want to rebel against what ever their parents don't like, this is a natural phase of growing up- people need to walk with their own feet. But this is something else--a systematic distorition away from everything that is good and towards our destruction as a people.
Noise Music is unnatural. It is natural for animals to communicate with sound but to flee harsh sounds and sensations; it is also natural for animals to follow patterns from previous generations in their communication. An animal that does not protect itself against painful stimulus, and does not behave like the the others in its flock is a sick animal--possibly suffering neurological damage or post-traumatic stress dissociation."Noise Music" is a contradiction in terms--since Noise is not Music, and Music is not Noise, by definition!

I am here to inform you on this new trend of "Noise Music" that is quickly rising into mainstream culture and stealing the souls of youth. The music industry is currently planning to market this "Noise Music" as the next ‘new thing' for kids to buy into and once you learn the true history and ideas behind this movement you will see why it needs to be stopped. During my research I have uncovered the true secrets of a master plan to enslave mankind thru this music. I have first hand experience what this Noise Music can do to children. Lucky for us parents this trend in music has not really caught on with the vast majority of kids, so we may have a chance to stop this disease before it spreads any further. If we fail humanity may be lost.
You may think that I am being over dramatic, alarmist, or ignorant, Ihave been called much worse. But I will show you the details of this conspiracy and shed light onto this dark cabal that has been working feverishly to undermine all that is noble and just. Ultimately our work will help usher in a new reality, by exposing this conspiracy. Those involved will see the errors in their ways and work to move humanity into a perfected world order. We must stop Noise Music before it destroys us!
What is Noise Music you ask? When I posted my first essay I was slightly misinformed about how wide reaching this conspiracy was, I thought it had originated out of rock and roll. I had received hundreds of emails informing me incorrectly, and upon further research--what i discovered was how dire our crusade really is against this so-called ‘music'. Noise Music holds a intellectual philosophy of nihilism, chaos, self abuse, despair, and a rejection of natural law and delivers its demented message in the same style that a rock and roll act would use. It is a very deceptive trick that is aimed at corrupting our youth. These people are outspokenly hell bent on destroying our civilization and all that is good. In this post 9-11 world we cannot let this kind of evil continue, terrorism of every kind must be stopped! We must cleanse the earth of evil for the new world order to exist -degenerate ideas must be removed - or they will consume everyone into a pit of eternal suffering. We are the light and the way. We must fight smarter and harder than our enemies, we will bring truth were others only bring lies.
Some people say, that Noise Music is not the problem it is just a reflection of the world that we live in. In order to take the spiritual temperature of an individual or society, one must "mark" the music. We all can agree that music is the unspoken language of the soul, it has the power to transmit ideas that are unspeakable, it ultimately affects our reality. Music as with all art is the backbone of culture. It can bring joy and have the power to heal, but it can also hurt and lead people to sorrow and self destruction. The goal of humanity is to reach its highest possible potential, and music and art must also reflect that. Celebrating the down side of the human condition is holding us trapped within a doomed cycle. We cannot let this continue anymore. If you examine music as you would a diagram of social progress it can becomes a road map of human civilization. We can see what is moving forward into liberation and what is a path that is degenerate and destructive.
Lets take a slight roll down history lane, shall we?? Noise was "born" in the early 1900 by Luigi Russolo an Italian futurist and Fascist. He built instruments specifically to make noise, these futurists proudly proclaimed "We will glorify war -. We will destroy the museums, libraries, academies of every kind, will fight moralism, feminism, every opportunistic or utilitarian cowardice. (...) Come on! set fire to the library shelves! Turn aside the canals to flood the museums!... Take up your pickaxes, your axes and hammers and wreck, wreck the venerable cities" These futurists influenced a whole slew of 20th century anti-cultural musical movements (particularly a group of draft-dodger who called themselves "Dada") who also sought out to destroy everything they disliked. They tried to create a world were obscene, irrational, and anarchist thought replaced the traditional, truthful, and orderly one. The set out to destroy all conventional music and replace it with noise. Lucky for us they all died in obscurity never to influence too many people in their day, except a few credulous fools in academic circles, but this sick and distorted reality continues. One modern composer with direct links to these movements is Karlheinz Stockhausen who said "the 9-11 terrorist attacks were the greatest piece of art, ever." You get the idea.
In the 1960's these "20th century composers" finally infiltrated popular culture when the hippy movement fused rock and roll with this degenerate Noise Music. This music was intended to be a soundtrack to a revolution, a revolt against what they viewed as "authoritarian" ideologies, with its eventual goal to be destruction of all that is good and usher in a new occult age of Aquarius. Its was also a part of the African-american music scene, which included the angry so-called "Free Jazz" (with ties to the Black Panthers and other militant groups) of certain screaming black jazz musicians that wanted to bring down western civilization and restore a primitive African civilization to power. This revolution almost happened, because it was supported by the powerful music and media industry, but lucky for us this new freedom in reality only brought Sexually Transmitted Disease (STD), rape, drug addiction, madness and pervasive social unrest. People burnt themselves out and their reality faded away, and the mental hospitals were full.
In the 70s-90s thankfully this destructive force was mostly contained "underground," a few groups did surface for a few moments but never really held the publics attention or posed a major threat on popular cultural. This anti-establishment thread slowly resurfaced in late 70's and early 80's, in the form of the swastika-laben "Industrial Music" of bands like: NON, Throbbing Gristle, Surgical P*nis Clinic, and Einstuerzende Neubauten these anti-musicians sought to tear down the natural order with electronic based music and an extreme displays of violence, murder, rape and genocide. In the late 80's and 90's these ideas remained pretty marginal and unfocused and were only accepted in fringe circles really having not much influence in popular culture. We saw punk, and grunge and metal, which were bad enough, but these genres of music only foreshadowed and lowered resistance to the coming rot.
This current wave of Noise Music finds it influence in all of these past anti-cultural movements. These so-called musicians purify the underlining negative meaning of 20th century classical, Punk rock, Acid Rock, Metal, Jazz, and every possible sub-genre of dissonant music and are making a new deadly strain of music that is aimed at the hearts and minds of the listeners. By design it is the most dangerous art form to emerge yet, because it takes all the most appealing aspects of these genres and removes the few crumbs of traditional cultural expression that they contained. These people are dead set to carry out their mission, all of what has come before has been one giant build up to what is taking place right now.
The worst part is these people are not alone, they have agents within the mainstream, who either are fully aware of the final goals and actively promote this or are unknowingly duped into this conspiracy. The reason why a conspiracy can exist is by the fact that not everyone involved knows that they involved, for a successful conspiracy to work it must work in layers and involve unwitting dupes. Also take in account that most peoples actions are reactionary--they respond uncritically to what they are given. The people at the highest levels of a conspiracy are the ones who fully understand the implications of their actions and manipulate a particular system to reach its goals.
Some people say, why aren't you fighting against rap music or sugar coated pop music which is the real cause of corrupting our youth? I say, the majority of people involved in creating and marketing these acts to the population are only concerned with making a profit and that both top 40 Pop Music and Noise Music goals are exactally the same. As our civilization goes further into a state or barbarism, people become desensitized to what is accepted as normal and they need a bigger kick of sex, violence, and drugs to hold there attention and empty their pocketbooks. Imagine if you were to able to insert Britney Spears, The Black Eyed Peas or Emenin into the popular culture of the 1950's, people would think that a signal from a hostile alien civilization was broadcasting to them or that they were witnessing some perverted acient Roman orgy.
Research shows that the music industry understands this and carefully controls what people have access to, they carefully surpress certain types of music until the current trend no longer makes them money, then the next "hot new thing" is offered up. The problem with this cycle rotation system is that as it progresses people need more and more stimulation of more degenerate music. These cycles have been speeding up leading to an ultimate unveiling of true motivation, this next wave of Noise Music ultimately is not offering alternative culture (as they so proclaim) but is trapped within a doomed cycle. We need to rid the world of all of it.
This current state of popular music provides plenty of motivation for these radicals, and the Internet appears to be facilitating then, even if the large masses of potential followers are currently deaf to their activities. These Noise Groups that are opposed to and mostly ignored by the media have used this new resource very cunningly, the internet is the only way they have been able to spread their message effectively. It is spreading and its goals are to create a virtual distorted mindset for the veiwer. Most Noise Groups are autonomous groups spread out over the globe. The open structure of the Internet supports this clandestine modus operandi as a way for these militants to recruit new members and look for common goals or inspiration. Why the Noise Music agenda has never full taken over in the past is because of fragmentation and extreme descentralisation, currently it has become an fully functioning global network set on infiltrating and influencing the world.
Most of the Noise Music information spread over the internet has a homogenized, flat notion of this ultimate reality of chaotic upheavel tword order leading to destruction of civilized culture. These artists will express that their art is an act of absorbing the sins of world as it were lifes nobelest causes. But by transcending this evil they are in fact not erasing the sins as they believe but only propigating this cycle of enslavement. I pray for their souls every day.
Combating this problem comes at the exspense of the freedom we enjoy on the Internet, and to speak our minds. But in these times of a global war on terrorism - we must sacrifice such things for the progress of the civilized world. Because minds that are attacking are our values are worse than arms that are planting bombs. If all of our youth is converted over to a false doomed reality we will have no future worth fighting for.
We are smarter then them, we can fight these groups in many ways on the internet and we can use it even to turn it against themselves. Since this movement so far wide reaching with so many different messages and the current leader has not been publicly revealed, it's hard to tell who and how is truely involved or mimicking others mimicked messages. This lack of authenticity could serve as a basis for many misinformation campaigns to foil potential followers or those not fully indoctrinated. We should fight the virulent ideas not only with a fist but with an outstreached hand. Infiltrating chat rooms and messageboards, we can put in life affriming, world loving ideas mixed in with destructive ones. But convincing these people would be a challenge because some are so brainwashed, they have swallowed the idea that "bad" is "good.". Our job is not easy, but without struggle there is no progress.

One thing is certain. We live in a society that seems to be ever-changing, but in reality what we are experiencing is merely an illusion of history repeating itself. If you look at the time from the industrial revolution to explosion of the internet, you can see people's moral character have undergone a severe alteration. This alteration is not unique to our linear time perception, it IS the exact same cycle repeating itself. Indeed, on their way to total demise, Rome and Greece followed the same decadent and inauthentic steps that we are now taking. Many parents of today have witnessed the fastest most consistent decline of morality in the history of the planet. We need to work together to rid this world of those who oppose the natural progressive order. Our children and our children's children, and their children's children's children will be doomed to live thru another cycle of pain and suffering that we are experiencing. We must strive to eliminate all ideas that lock our souls into this system, only then can we be truly free.
--M. Smith, founder, Mothers Against Noise

http://www.mothersagainstnoise.us/motherspeaks.html

I love the "discussion group" notice too-

Our old discussion group which has been over run by noise fans, we are working on a new secure messageboard.

http://www.mothersagainstnoise.us/di...on_groups.html