Jazz Vocalists Live at CJW Bund Center in Shanghai

[maggiezw]

World Known Jazz vocalist Ms.Sandra Kaye Live at CJW Bund Center

Reserviation：+86-21-6339 1777、6339 2777
Time: from 21:00pm
Address：Bund Center 50F, 222 YanAn Road East, Shanghai, China
Website: http://www.cjwchina.com/

[bigtiny]

Isn't it funny how people you've never heard of are always billed as "World Reknown" ???? =:-)

bigtiny

[Sandra]

Understand that the term WORLD RENOWNED was not used in the advertisement. What is used is WORLD KNOWN.
Many of the American Entertainers ARE world known, just not world famous. It is a term well deserved by many of us. Because we have traveled the world over trying to bring good music. Go to my website and get to know my music, because I would love to have you know me and my music. www.SandraKaye.Com.

Thank You,
Sandra Kaye

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

Originally Posted by Sandra

Go to my website and get to know my music, because I would love to have you know me and my music.

Well, I took you up on that, Sandra. And I LIKE the first 3 of the 4 samples. Nice renditions and solid, swinging arrangements. Didn't like the Nat King Cole song, but I never liked it by Nat, either.

Welcome aboard, Sandra! Stick around.

[Nefertiti]

@bigtiny:

Keep in mind that this is a Chinese jazz club, where the attribute "world known" may be standard advertisement practice, to promote artists which most people probably don't know Both their current acts are described as "world known".



But to us westerners it looks odd, when the presentation focusses on appearances in the Dallas Metropolitan Area.

Good luck, Sandra

[Sandra]

If you were to read the bios of both performers then you will see that we are world traveled. This is when this term is used by CJW , only when the performer is world traveled for previous performances. This is my second year of performing at this club and when I did not show in my bio of my past performances, it was not on last years advertisment.
You can look at the past posters on their website and it is clear. But please read on. I am from the Dallas Metropolitan area and started my career there, but I have played in various venues around the world.

Much Repect,
Sandra Kaye

[DivaJC]

This is the "other" singer at CJW Clubs in Shanghai, China.

I find it interesting that people are concerned about "fame" when it comes to musicians. No one cares if a doctor, lawyer or educator is famous. Why is fame so important, when being a musician is just as much a profession as the other disciplines?

Fame is relevant to the accomplishments of any person. A woman in NYC became famous for her cup size. People were standing at the subway station that they knew she emerged from. Fame is fleeting. Perseverance and determination lead to long-lasting confidence and well-being in any profession.

What I've learned in the music business, over the past 30 years of my career, is that fame will NOT pay bills. Working will. In America, it is very difficult to reach a plateau of achievement, financially, especially with jazz. How do you account for the success of Kenny G and Nora Jones, when neither are true jazz artists in the sense that they've played with the greats and been on the scene - and I mean the jazz scene - internationally. America is about commercial success. But musicians in Europe, particularly African Americans have huge audiences and fans, that their countrymen in the U.S. know nothing about.

I lived in Atlanta, GA, for the past 2.5 years and made $250 singing jazz. I was known as the "Hip Hop Mom", there, because I scatted, while my daughter, Mimi Johnson of Caustic Dames rhymed with Cee Cee Rainer. No one gets paid in that scene. They are all "sitting in". They sign a list, get up on stage and perform for free, while the club owners rack up duckets from the huge audiences that buy drinks and pay a $5 cover charge that never goes to the artists. If they have CDs, they can make a buck or two. But when we traveled to Italy, France and England, we were surprised that the audiences bought up our CDs and they wanted to hear both Hip Hop and Jazz from us.

Americans have tunnel vision when it comes to their artists, who are rarely supported and appreciated, until they travel abroad. Look at the American idols, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Rick James and Billy Preston (the last two are deceased). Their stories run the gamut from incredible success to devastating tragedy. If I had to choose between their careers and my own, I would definitely take mine!

I've been on the road since 1990. I've sung for one of the 7 presidents of Switzerland, for the Duke of Marlborough and the Duchess of Kent, in their palace. I've sung in 8 European countries, 3 African countries, Brazil, Mexico and, now, in China, where I am paid and appreciated. This is something I cannot say about how I am treated in America, where jazz is the music of second-class citizens - the children of slaves. Jazz and Blues in America is exploited by the children of slave owners. My contention may not sound pretty, but truth is light.

Americans need to wake up to the fact that they rather criticize and put down her artists than lift them up. Most cultural events are organized by government workers who don't have a clue about culture or artists. They have a job to do and usually they hired their "friends" rather than the people who are truly dedicated to the art of jazz and blues. They bring in NAME ACTS and rarely uplift the "local" musicians, which is truly ludicrous. Also, everyone wants to get into the act and too many wanna bes just don't have what it takes to be in the music business - knowledge of music theory, how to relate to an audience, stamina and the ability to WORK HARD to make their career successful.

I teach about WOMEN IN JAZZ. Go to my website - www.fyicomminc.com/lecture.html and I'm available to lecture, but most folks want me to work for FREE, which is not conducive to my ability to pay bills. Do people realize that musicians have bills too? I wonder!

If you want to be supportive of me, buy my book - IN PURSUIT OF A MELODY, that contains a lecture - SO, YOU WANT TO BE A SINGER? www.trafford.com/05-0819 and go to www.cdbaby.com - search my name - Joan Cartwright, and buy my two CDs. Also, go to www.oldies.com and buy SWEET RETURN, recorded by Freddie Hubbard in 1983. The title tune is my composition and the album is a classic!

I've worked with everyone from Dr. Lonnie Smith and Lou Donaldson to Freddie Hubbard and Peter Minger (trumpeter with the Count Basie Orchestra). I've written several articles, essays and, now, a book on my career. I'll make a bet that more of my books will sell outside the U.S.A., than inside, because, unless the record companies and jazz publications can see a way to capitalize on me, there will be no coverage of my book, which took 30 years to write.

Bigtiny, get real. Do your research before you make a statement like you've made about a musician being internationally known. How do you know about these people from your vantage point in America? Have you traveled around the world to see who is famous and who is not? I'm just curious.

Sincerely,
Love and Music,
Diva JC
www.divajc.com

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

Great first post, Joan!

Originally Posted by DivaJC

I lived in Atlanta, GA, for the past 2.5 years and made $250 singing jazz.

When I first looked at this, I thought, "That's a little less than I get per gig, but not too bad"... and then I realized what you'd actually written!

[cookie]

To Sandra and DivaJC: AMEN, and amen. Welcome aboard and good wishes to you both for continual and satisfying work in this music.

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

In fairness to BigTiny, we get a lot of promotions here that don't have nearly your credibility.

[John P. Cooper]

Weekend shows end at 1:15 a.m.? Why 1:15 a.m.?

[DivaJC]

On Friday and Saturday, we begin at 9 p.m. and work until 1:15 p.m., that's 4hours and 15 minutes. The club in Xintiandi (soho area of Shanghai) closes at 2 p.m. and I suppose they want patrons to prepare to leave, so the music ends abruptly at 1:15 a.m. giving staff time to close out bills and start clean-up. That's about the best explanation I can give you.

Thanks for your response and question.
For updates on my adventures in Asia, see my site
http://www.mylifeoftravel.com/Diva%20JC.home

All the best
Love and music
Diva Joan Cartwright

[John P. Cooper]

Ok...thanks...

[bigtiny]

Okay, so I screwed up I thought it said 'World Reknown', but wait a minute...why would a middle aged fat guy with bad eyesight think that....where else have I EVER seen ANYTHING (or ANYBODY) billed as 'World Known' ? Never. So ladies, I don't have a problem with you making a living singing abroad, it sounds like fun, but I tell you, I for one just get tired of seeing countless self-produced CDs and gig flyers, and postings, and marketing language that sure SEEMS to be giving the impression that somebody is, in fact, 'World Reknown'. Is this what they teach at all of the Summer Jazz Singers workshops or something?

bigtiny

[John P. Cooper]

Way to get comped in, BigTiny!

[Sandra]

Bigtiny, please, get the spelling right. RENOWNED does not have a K in it. Maybe this is where your confusion comes in. However, I would like to add that if you are in any kind of business you want to do your best to make good of it. So if you need to change a few words to impress, then you should do that. There is no harm in trying to make a go at making your business a good one. People are apt to respect you for trying.

[DivaJC]

1. Does anyone have any idea how many musicians are in the World?
2. Does anyone know how many record companies are in the World?
3. Does anyone know how many of the musicians in the World are signed with the record companies in the World?
4. Does anyone know how many musicians are produced independently?
5. Does anyone know why?
6. Does anyone know how much Michael Jackson gets per record sale?
7. Does anyone know why Prince changed his name?

The answer to all of these questions put together will explain why Bigtiny doesn't know about Miss Sandra Kaye and Diva Joan Cartwright.

Nobody knows the exact answer to any of these questions, except maybe Jacko and *&$#!

What I do know is that I've single-handedly distributed around 10,000 of my CDs and when I get paid for a CD, I don't have to hand ANY of the money to Sony, Columbia, Atlantic, Verve, Bluenote, JVC, Kool or any other commercially-owned enterprise that milks the fk out of musicians.

I pay my mechanicals and that's it and on most of my CDs, I have recorded my own music and I own the entire rights to those songs.

Most people are too lazy to learn about the music business to find out how they can succeed without even trying. They don't want to learn how to read and write music, so those of us who can get alllll the play.

Then, the ones who can read and write may not invest their earnings into producing their own products. They sit around waiting for Sony, etc. etc. to "sign" them and then they get stepped over for someone like Kenny G, Diana Krall or Nora Jones who may be cute but don't have a clue about what it takes to pay dues because their "Uncle Somebody" is backing them.

Independence is a wonderful thing that I have encouraged my children to pursue with a vengeance! I also know that those who don't know me are usually those who are either watching TV or asleep or just not paying attention.

And. . .it's ok, because I know the people who do know me include an illustrious list of illustrious people including Quincy Jones, Dizzy Gillespie, Milt Hinton, Betty Carter, Gloria Lynne, Etta Jones, McCoy Tyner, Dr. Lonnie Smith, Freddie Hubbard, Lou Donaldson and far too many other people that matter in the Real World of Music.

So, Bigtiny, as I said before, "Do your homework, before you start downgrading those whom you may not know but may be RENOWNED around the World!" Seach Google for my name - Joan Cartwright and see how many times it comes up and note how many of those links go right back to me!

Want to know more? Buy my book at http://www.trafford.com/05-0819 and tell some of those Summer Jazz Singers workshops that I'm available for lectures on the HISTORY OF JAZZ AND BLUES and on WOMEN IN JAZZ!

FYI, the CJW Club Graphics Department put on the poster "World Known". We didn't.
And, BT, thanks for starting this thread to make Miss Sandra Kaye and me even better known!

Love and music,
Diva Joan Cartwright
www.divajc.com
Keep you good eye on Joan's Travel Journals - My Life of Travel

[maggiezw]

World Known Jazz Vocalist Live at CJW Bund Center

Ms. DD Martin From Missouri.
DD was born to sing in St. Louis, Missouri where her Mother Estella Mae was a popular Gospel/ Blues singer who traveled throughout the South and even through Europe.Stella Mae instilled in her daughter a love of music and a dream of someday performing.
DD realized the dream at an rarely age when at 13 she took to the stage starring in a musical at the Mc Coran Playhouse in Los Angeles, California with her teenage singing group called “The Time Climax” she was hooked, destined to please an audience.DD honed her skills by taking voice, acting, and dance lessons. She performed in night clubs with her band “Second Helping”. DD moved one more step closer doing television work by scoring the voice over theme for the TV pilot show “Candid Camera”. DD recorded vocals for one of the episodes for the TV series “Fame” DD performed as a featured artist on the Televised “Valentino Awards” DD landed the Second lead in the International tour of the Broadway show “Jerry’s Girls” where she received raved reviews and went onto perform with some of the legendary entertainers of our time……
DD is a extremely versatile singer, What does she sound like? A little bit of Tina Turner mixed with Gladys Knight and perhaps a smidgen of Patti La Belle and Toni Braxton a unique Blend of passion and soul… smoldering ice. She is honored to have shared the stage with icons of the entertainment world she also saw her talent:
“Keeps the audience in the palm of her hand! She sings from her soul” (Bill medley, the Righteous Brothers); “A singer of grace and subtle” (Desert Sun); “A shining presence, an original talent!”(Greenville News); “Knockout performance, sizzling, worthy of 5 stars a real star!” (Phoenix Gazette); “Displays the range and dramatic flair of a seasoned pro!”(Drama-Logue); “DD shines (B.J. Thomas); “She sings sweet as a hummingbird she takes the stage and makes it her own” (Little Anthony, and The Imperials); “Dynamite performer” (Joe Sample); “One of the most talent singers I’ve ever head, sensational” (Sonny Turner); “a voice of Power and control! (Herb Reed of The Platters)……


50/F Bund Center, 222 Yan An Road East, Shanghai, China 200002
Reserviation: 021-6339 1777, 6339 2777
Website: http://www.cjwchina.com

[DivaJC]

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[Lilsis]

[QUOTE=DivaJC][LIST=1]
And. . .it's ok, because I know the people who do know me include an illustrious list of illustrious people including Quincy Jones, Dizzy Gillespie, Milt Hinton, Betty Carter, Gloria Lynne, Etta Jones, McCoy Tyner, Dr. Lonnie Smith, Freddie Hubbard, Lou Donaldson and far too many other people that matter in the Real World of Music.
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]...and me, too, Lady Cartwright!! Had the good fortune to meet you at the Atlanta Jazz Festival in 2004. My husband bought your CD. Thanks and we are still enjoying it. Best of everything to you!!
L'il Sis

[Lilsis]

[DivaJC]

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