Now for something completely different

[willy]

So if the Mass. tax payers don't pay for this guys sex change it's cruel and unusual punishment? Good Lord...



Inmate Wants To Become A Woman

UPDATED: 10:00 am PDT May 31, 2006

BOSTON -- A convicted killer serving a life sentence for murdering his wife 16 years ago wants Massachusetts to pay for his sex change operation.

Television station WCVB reported that Robert Kosilek now goes by the name Michelle. He's already been before the state courts and has received favorable rulings.

The court has previously granted the 57-year-old the right to have the state pay for his female hormone treatments and laser hair removal after a judge ruled he is entitled to treatment for a condition called gender identity disorder.

Now, Kosilek wants the commonwealth to pay for a sex change operation to become a woman.

His lawyer said that denying him the operation amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

On Tuesday, a psychiatrist testified that Kosilek is likely to commit suicide if he doesn't get the operation.

The trial in Federal District Court in South Boston is expected to last about two weeks.

[patricia]

Not the first time.
Richard Speck [the guy who killed eight nurses, years ago and is now, thankfully dead] got a state-paid boob job.
Yes, my friends, Richard decided that he was incomplete without 34Bs, so he got a a very nice pair, paid for by YOU, the taxpayer.

There was a documentary about Speck's crimes on A&E a while ago, in which the viewer was treated by Speck to a look at the sugeon's handiwork.

[willy]

It's amazing how some judges rule on this type of nonsense.

Maybe we can hook them up to shock collars and zap their asses.

[patricia]

From your mouth to whoever decides these things's ear.

[Uli]

Still, I'd rather have my taxdollars pay for somebody's boobs than for invading other countries.

[Gentle Giant]

Originally Posted by patricia

Not the first time.
Richard Speck [the guy who killed eight nurses, years ago and is now, thankfully dead] got a state-paid boob job.
Yes, my friends, Richard decided that he was incomplete without 34Bs, so he got a a very nice pair, paid for by YOU, the taxpayer.

There was a documentary about Speck's crimes on A&E a while ago, in which the viewer was treated by Speck to a look at the sugeon's handiwork.

Why settle for B's?

Actually, I've seen this guy. What he needs is a nose job and a better hairstyle.

[Doc Martin]

Originally Posted by willy

So if the Mass. tax payers don't pay for this guys sex change....

Actually, it’s a Feminizing Genitoplasty, the term “sex change operation” is completely inaccurate.

Originally Posted by Uli

Still, I'd rather have my taxdollars pay for somebody's boobs than for invading other countries.

Me too.

[patricia]

Originally Posted by Uli

Still, I'd rather have my taxdollars pay for somebody's boobs than for invading other countries.

I never thought I'd say this, but me too. Tax dollars could probably pay for boob jobs for every single incarcerated person, whether they wanted one or not, and still not generate the debt that the war in Iraq has and will.

[willy]

There is a big difference though. The Iraqi people seem to be willing to work and do what is necessary to improve their lives, even risk death at the hands of terrorists when they go to the polls and vote for freedom.

Prisoners demanding boob jobs here in the states paid for by someone else because they will not feel "complete" without it is just sad. This entitlement mentality is ruining this country. It's all about "me". "My" feelings, what "I" want. What makes "me" feel good. If Iraq ever turns into such an entitlement "It's all about me" country then it should be nuked. No questions asked.

[patricia]

So, are you suggesting that the U.S. or Iraq should be nuked? if they don't live up to a pre-determined blueprint?
Is it possible, or even advisable to start over, anywhere in the world?
Isn't that philosophy dangerously close to the Master Race one?

[Noj]

The Iraqis might risk life and limb to vote--but they vote for the exact same oppression we supposedly went there to relieve them of. They want to live under a religious dictatorship, not capitalism. Once we leave, it will be the same as before we arrived--excepting all the destruction and dead folks.

Why don't they just laugh at somebody like this prisoner and tell shim to buzz off? Tell him, "Looky here, manboobs, you want plastic surgery you better start working in the telemarketing department of the prison and save your pennies."

[willy]

Originally Posted by patricia

So, are you suggesting that the U.S. or Iraq should be nuked? if they don't live up to a pre-determined blueprint?
Is it possible, or even advisable to start over, anywhere in the world?
Isn't that philosophy dangerously close to the Master Race one?

Japan and Germany were forced to start over after WW II. Was the world a better place before or after they were forced to change their ways? Was a master race created as a result?

[willy]

Originally Posted by Noj

Why don't they just laugh at somebody like this prisoner and tell shim to buzz off? Tell him, "Looky here, manboobs, you want plastic surgery you better start working in the telemarketing department of the prison and save your pennies."

That would be great if it happened that way. However, day in and day out we see judges rule in favor of idiocy. Why cases like this are laughed out of court at the very start is beyond me. Then again, I don't ascribe to the "It's all about me" entitlement philosophy.

They're gonna hold a special referendum up in MA, with two options(you can vote for only one):

A. Setting aside funds for invading countries.
B. Special bond for costs associated with giving prisoners peace of mind and comfort, e.g. sex change(or whateverthefuckyouwannacallit)operations.

That's rich.

[willy]

And the people of Mass will vote for A, but the liberal Mass. Supreme Court will go against the will of the people yet again, say it's unconstitutional, and claim boob jobs paid for by someone else is a rigght guaranteed the citizens of this country, right next to the abortion and gay marriage clause in the 1st Amendment

[Noj]

Substitute "setting aside funds" with "borrowing ludicrous sums."

Doesn't the army give free titjobs for service?

Originally Posted by Noj

Substitute "setting aside funds" with "borrowing ludicrous sums."

Doesn't the army give free titjobs for service?

I think that comes under the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy.

[jesus marion joseph]

Originally Posted by willy

And the people of Mass will vote for A, but the liberal Mass. Supreme Court will go against the will of the people yet again, say it's unconstitutional, and claim boob jobs paid for by someone else is a rigght guaranteed the citizens of this country, right next to the abortion and gay marriage clause in the 1st Amendment

If you're going to cast aspersions, at least get *some* of the facts correct. The Mass. SJC did not invoke the 1st amendment in the Goodrich decision. They relied entirely on the Massachusetts state constitution, which actually predates the US Constitution.

Additionally, there is no legitimacy to the claim that they have ruled against the will of "the people". If that were the case, the Mass. legislature would have passed one of the pieces of legislation that has come before it since the Goodrich decision seeking to create a constitutional amendment against gay marriage. True, some (even many) of "the people" are against gay marriage. The job of the SJC is not to make popular rulings; it's to interpret the laws of the state and apply those interpretations to the cases before it.

Lastly, I get tired of hearing how the Mass. SJC is a "liberal" court, especially when that criticism is in relation to the Goodrich decision. The decision is consistent with the principles laid out in the state constitution hundreds of years ago. If it's "liberal", then it's liberal in the sense that democratic forms of government are (or used to be considered) liberal. Protecting the rights of citizens as embodied in the constitution of one's state is, IMHO, as conservative as you can get.

Lastly, if you read the article *you* posted, you would note that this case is being tried in the *federal* court. That means the SJC has no part in the matter, because that is a *state* court, and has no jurisdiction over federal cases or controversies.

Maybe you should read the Constitution (state or federal) before you rail against those who interpret it.

Having said all of that, I wouldn't personally be in favor of funding this guy's boob job, or whatever it is he wants done. But that's just my opinion.

[jesus marion joseph]

A timely article from the Herald:

For Pete and Pete’s sake: We’re not top liberal state
By Casey Ross
Boston Herald Reporter

Friday, June 2, 2006 - Updated: 05:33 AM EST

Hey you! Yeah you, in the tweed jacket and Birkenstocks: You should consider moving. Massachusetts is actually not the most liberal state in the country.

In fact, a new national study found, the Bay State is only the sixth most left-leaning state when it comes to laws affecting reproductive rights and same-sex partnerships.

New Mexico and New York shared the top spot on the liberal end of the rankings, followed by New Jersey, Washington and California. Ohio and South Dakota were tied for the most conservative policies.

“I find that hard to swallow,” said state Sen. Bob Hedlund, one of only six Republicans in the Massachusetts Senate. “We’re the only state that has legalized gay marriage, so I don’t know how the hell that doesn’t make us the most liberal.”

Therein lies the point of the study, said Jason Cianciotto of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, one of three liberal advocacy groups that compiled the rankings.

“It shows there needs to be an intersection among human rights issues, including reproductive freedom,” Cianciotto said. “It’s not just about whether same sex couples can get married.”

The state that brought the country the Kennedys and Mike Dukakis in a tank lost points on the liberal scale for a law that requires mandatory parental involvement in minors’ abortions and a provision that prohibits state-funded insurance coverage of abortion. The state scored an obvious homerun for its gay marriage law.

New Mexico turned out to be somewhat of a liberal darkhorse in the rankings, seizing a tie for the top spot because of expansive laws prohibiting discrimination against gay and transgender people. South Dakota came in last because of the state legislature’s approval of an abortion ban earlier this year.

The ranking surprised some Bay Staters.

“We’re in the middle of the People’s Republic of Cambridge, what’s more liberal than this?” said a Somerville resident who gave his name only as Tommy. He assumed the Bay State would have been No. 2 right behind California.

Added Eileen Campbell, 28, a Harvard student: “I’m surprised the gay marriage issue didn’t shoot us right to the top.”

[willy]

Being the 6th most liberal state out of 50 is nothing to be proud of.

[jesus marion joseph]

I'm OK with it.

[Gentle Giant]

Thursday, June 8, 2006
Inmate pleads for sex change operation
By John R. Ellement, Globe staff

A transsexual convicted murderer broke down in tears today as he tried to convince a federal judge that he should order the state of Massachusetts to pay for a sex change operation.

Michelle Lynn Kosilek, 57, was convicted in Bristol Superior Court as Robert Kosilek for strangling his wife Cheryl in their Mansfield home in 1990. He is serving life without parole.

Now legally known as Michelle, Kosilek is already receiving hormone treatments under an earlier court order issued by U.S. District Court Judge Mark Wolf.

Today Kosilek testified before Wolf that he now needs the next step in the gender transformation process, the surgical removal of his male genitals. What's the big deal? I'm sure there are many people in prison who would be glad to remove his genitals free of charge.

Kosilek testified that every day is painful to him because he is not fully a woman. Cry me a river, asshole.

"Death is not the greatest loss in life," Kosilek testified. "The greatest loss is the dying a little bit inside every day." As opposed to your wife, who died completely in just one day.

The trial in U.S. District Court in Boston is expected to last several more days.

[Doc Martin]

Originally Posted by Gentle Giant

What's the big deal? I'm sure there are many people in prison who would be glad to remove his genitals free of charge.

It’s not so much removing them, as it is turning them inside out. It's actually quite tricky

[Clay Fink]

Originally Posted by Doc Martin

It’s not so much removing them, as it is turning them inside out. It's actually quite tricky

A jump in a cold lake does the same thing.

[Doc Martin]

Originally Posted by Clay Fink

A jump in a cold lake does the same thing.

No, the technical term for that would be “shrinkage”

[GoodSpeak]

[Ron Thorne]

Where would we be without willy?

[jesus marion joseph]

Originally Posted by Ron Thorne

Where would we be without willy?

I'd be pretty sad without my willy.

[Gentle Giant]

Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph

I'd be pretty sad without my willy.

Whereas this guy is sad WITH it!

[Scott Dolan]

Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph

I'd be pretty sad without my willy.

Hahahaha........