top classic albums since the 70's

digital · July-13th-2003, 06:26 AM

were there classics since the 70?
a classic for me is something that changes the music forever:
kind of blue,maiden voyage,now he sings now he sobs,giant steps.
all those made before the 70....
what happened after that actually ?

frankpop1 · July-13th-2003, 09:17 AM

ah, i thought what a weird thread but now i see...

here's some post 70s recordings that cut close to my top ten:

1. charlie mingus 'cumbia and jazz fusion'
2. cecil taylor 'one too salty swift and not goodbye'
3. anthony braxton 'dortmund' and 'creative music orchestra 76'
4. ivo perelman 'seeds vision and counterpoint'
5. barry guy 'ode' and 'harmos'
6. vienna art orchestra 'no time to rag time'
7. sun ra 'live at montreaux'
8. larry coryell 'spaces'
9. art pepper 'straight life'
10. oh thats enuf.

shrugs · July-13th-2003, 07:21 PM

off the top of the melon

Abdullah Ibrahim/Johnny Dyani Echoes From Africa
Abdullah Ibrahim/Johnny DyaniGood News From Africa
Abdullah Ibrahim Water From An Ancient Well
Joe McPhee Oleo
Charles Tyler The Saga Of The Outlaw
Roscoe Mitchell Snurdy McGurdy and Her Dancin' Shoes
Mal Waldron just about everything
Steve Lacy Morning Joy
Steve Lacy Blinks
Johnny Hartman Once In Every Life
Earl Hines The Father of Modern Jazz Piano(5 lp's)
Andre Jaume Cinnoche
Jimmy Knepper Jimmy Knepper In LA
Art Pepper Village Vanguard sessions
Art Pepper So In Love
Charlie Haden/Hampton Hawes As Long As There's Music
Keith Jarrett Expectations
Keith Jarrett Facing You
Keith Jarrett The Survivors Suite
Dewey Redman Living On The Edge
Cecil Taylor Three Phasis
Cecil Taylor For Olim
Cecil Taylor Winged Serpents
Harry Miller Ogun set

ok, that should keep you busy

shrugs · July-13th-2003, 07:25 PM

and dip into Art Farmer's output!!! Or Dave McKenna's solo output on Concord!!!!!!!

Giant Strides, baby

stonemonkts · July-13th-2003, 07:46 PM

During the 70's:

Dave Holland - Conference of the Birds
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew/Live Evil whichever you prefer
Anthony Braxton - Dortmund
Air - Air Time
Beaver Harris - Beautiful Africa
George Lewis - Homage to Charlie Parker
Arthur Blythe - Lenox Avenue Breakdown
Andrew Cyrille - Nuba
Charles Mingus - Changes One/Changes Two (playing now)

shrugs · July-13th-2003, 07:52 PM

Air Mail as well!!! and big props to Nuba!!!!!

who said the 70's and 80's were dead?

Metamusicians' Stomp, baby

michaelr · July-14th-2003, 08:35 AM

I'll add:

Parker/Bailey/Bennink -- The Topography of the Lungs
Brötzmann/van Hove/Bennink/Mangelsdorff-- Live in Berlin '71
Peter Kowald -- Duos LPs (Japan, America, Europe)
Howard Riley - Overground
Schlippenbach/Parker/Lovens/Kowald -- Three Nails Left
Spontaneous Music Ensemble -- Eighty-five minutes part 1 & 2
Julius Hemphill -- Dogon A.D.

EKE BBB · July-15th-2003, 04:29 AM

A few come to my mind now:

-Let my children hear music (Charles Mingus, 1972)
-Changes one / two (Charles Mingus, 1974-75)
-Consecration / Turn out the stars (Bill Evans, 1980)
-From the soul (Joe Lovano, 1992)
-With the tenors of our time (Roy Hargrove, 1994)

Tanager · July-15th-2003, 08:06 AM

I dunno, true landmarks...

Dave Holland - Conference of the Birds

Keith Jarrett/Gary Peacock/Jack DeJohnette - Standards Vol. 1 - I don't think the album itself has been all that influential, but it marks the beginning of a run by one of the most successful and well-known trios in recent times.

Wynton Marsalis - Black Codes from the Underground - I'm going to get piled on for this, but this album (IMHO) marked the peak of early Wynton, his best and most adventurous period (albeit aping Miles) for my $$$. Given his prominent role (for better or for worse) and influence on shaping all those Young Lions, I think it merits mention.

Woody Shaw - Rosewood

Definitely Bitches Brew.

BFrank · July-16th-2003, 01:00 AM

Other than already mentioned (and in no particular order):

- "Return To Forever" on ECM
- Mahavishnu "Inner Mounting Flame"
- "Joe Farrell Quartet" on CTI
- Freddie "Red Clay"
- Cedar "Eastern Rebellion"
- Dexter "Homecoming"
- Lee Morgan "Live at the Lighthouse"
- Billy Harper "Black Saint"
- Johnny Griffin "Return of the Griffin"
- Ornette "Dancing In Your Head"

stonemonkts · July-16th-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Tanager

Wynton Marsalis - Black Codes from the Underground - I'm going to get piled on for this, but this album (IMHO) marked the peak of early Wynton, his best and most adventurous period (albeit aping Miles) for my $$$. Given his prominent role (for better or for worse) and influence on shaping all those Young Lions, I think it merits mention.

Ironic that you include an album where a musician "apes" another. If this recording is responsible for a trend where talented young musicians ape their betters, well, that's a real shame, IMO. You did say for better or worse. Count me as a vote for worse.

But then again, the music they make is still better than 99.9% of all popular music, so more power to them. I wouldn't bother commenting if they (Marsalis brothers) never opened their mouths (Wynton's comments on Miles, and Branford's unfortunate sound bite on Cecil Taylor). Truly idiotic of them.

Tanager · July-16th-2003, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by stonemonkts
Ironic that you include an album where a musician "apes" another. If this recording is responsible for a trend where talented young musicians ape their betters, well, that's a real shame, IMO. You did say for better or worse. Count me as a vote for worse.

I'll grant your misgivings are not without basis. But yes, my point was mostly that this album (and WM's playing of the period) guided the direction of a lot of musicians in his wake, which seems to me to be one of the criteria for "classic" albums. Even if you don't like it, I think the influence is undeniable.

shrugs · July-16th-2003, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanager
Wynton Marsalis - Black Codes from the Underground - I'm going to get piled on for this, but this album (IMHO) marked the peak of early Wynton, his best and most adventurous period (albeit aping Miles) for my $$$. Given his prominent role (for better or for worse) and influence on shaping all those Young Lions, I think it merits mention.

Well, you did say "for my $$$". It doesn't take much green to get an old Wynton lp or cd. $2 should cover it.

Sergio Zamora · July-16th-2003, 03:59 PM

Did Taspcott's "The Dark Tree" change the music forever? I think it did.

lazarus · July-17th-2003, 01:38 AM

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Definitely Bitches Brew.

Bitches Brew is from 1969.

Some important recordings that have not been mentioned:

Miles Davis - On The Corner/Get Up With It/Agharta

Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi/Crossings/Sextant

Larry Young - Lawrence Of Newark

Last Exit - s/t

Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness/World Galaxy

James Blood Ulmer - Are You Glad To Be In America?

John Zorn - The Big Gundown/Naked City

Material - Memory Serves

Tanager · July-17th-2003, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by lazarus
Bitches Brew is from 1969.

But it was released in the US in 1970, wasn't it?

Samuel · July-30th-2003, 08:05 AM

If "a classic" means "something that changes the music forever" then, for better or worse, you have to take note of:

Mahavishnu Orchestra, Birds of Fire
Grover Washington, Jr., Mr. Magic
David Grisman, Quintet '80

None get a lot of play around my house anymore, but they all changed jazz forever.

On the other hand, if "classic" means "jazz record approaching perfection that I'd be happy to hear on my deathbed," I'll pipe up for:

Chick Corea, Light as a Feather
Chick Corea, Three Quartets
Bill Pierce, William the Conqueror
Dave Holland, Not For Nothin'
Chris Potter, Gratitude