Michael J. Fox

Rob C · October-24th-2006, 01:46 PM

Have people seen this ad Fox did for Missouri Democrat Claire McCaskill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

I didn't realize his Parkinson's was as advanced as it appears to be here. I read the Rush Limbaugh and others are accusing him of overplaying his symptoms, but I doubt that.

It's a very powerful ad, even if it does play to the emotions, but so what--all powerful statements do that.

patricia · October-24th-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob C

Have people seen this ad Fox did for Missouri Democrat Claire McCaskill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

I didn't realize his Parkinson's was as advanced as it appears to be here. I read the Rush Limbaugh and others are accusing him of overplaying his symptoms, but I doubt that.

It's a very powerful ad, even if it does play to the emotions, but so what--all powerful statements do that.

Fox has done several public service films in which he is pretty well the way he is in McCaskill's one.
He was interviewed by one of our news stations some time ago. He was talking about his Parkinsons' and how his children call him Shakey Dad when he is off the medication which controls, somewhat, the tremors. The side effects of the medication are apparently almost worse than the tremors. So, his choosing to take them sparingly is understandable, I think.
To say that he is "acting when he displays the tremors characteristic of Parkinsons' is a low blow and not worthy of even that slug, Rush Limbaugh.

Gentle Giant · October-24th-2006, 02:26 PM

The issue would be much more cut and dry if we could just keep people suffering from neuro diseases locked up in homes and out of public view. But when you see it's real people who are really suffering, even the religious moralists start to waver.

What gets me most about conservatives is how rarely they acknowledge the human factor in their policies and their pontificating. It's almost always a black-and-white moral issue, or a dollars-and-cents financial issue. It's almost never about making people's lives better.

groover · October-24th-2006, 02:27 PM

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To say that he is "acting when he displays the tremors characteristic of Parkinsons' is a low blow and not worthy of even that slug, Rush Limbaugh.

About as despicably low as when Limburger called Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog".

Coda · October-24th-2006, 02:32 PM

Fox failed to mention that Bush signed a bill for stem cell research from umbilical cord blood. There are roughly 4.1 million babies born in the United States every year, that's A LOT of umbilical cords that are going to be used for the stem cell research. So there, we can hopefully find treatment, and no babies have to die because of it, this is one of the rare moments were everybody wins.

But I doubt Fox, or any other liberal will bring this up. Based on Fox's illness, I'm betting he truly wants to research cures and treatment, but I doubt the majority of the Democrats do. They don't care about stem cells from bone marrow, umbilical cords, or menstral blood, or any other non-lethal source. They won't be satisfied until we're farming human fetuses so we can have an excuse for abortion. In the end, that's what it all boils down to, an excuse for abortion. Having fetal farms will just help put more money in pockets of politicians so they can vote against pro-life legislation.

Is he the new New Jersey girl? He's another human political shield we can not respond to with a level playing field dialogue.

groover · October-24th-2006, 02:37 PM

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They won't be satisfied until we're farming human fetuses so we can have an excuse for abortion. In the end, that's what it all boils down to, an excuse for abortion. Having fetal farms will just help put more money in pockets of politicians so they can vote against pro-life legislation.

Pretty funny, Coda.

NY Times, CNN reported Bush signed "fetal farming" ban, failed to note there is no such thing as "fetal farming"

Maybe that's what Spinal Tap was referring to in "Sex Farm Woman"?

Working on a sex farm
Trying to raise some hard love
Getting out my pitch fork
Poking your hay

Scratching in your henhouse
Sniffing at your feedbag
Slipping out your back door
Leaving my spray

Sex farm woman, I'm gonna mow you down
Sex farm woman, I'll rake and hoe you down
Sex farm woman, don't you see my silo rising high?

Working on a sex farm
Hosing down your barn door
Bothering you livestock
They know what I need

Working up a hot sweat
Crouching in your pea patch
Plowing through your beanfield
Planting my seed

Sex farm woman, I'll be your hired hand
Sex farm woman, I'll let my offer stand
Sex farm woman, don't you hear my tractor rumbling by?

Working on a sex farm
Trying to raise some hard love
Getting out my pitch fork
Poking your hay

patricia · October-24th-2006, 02:45 PM

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In the end, that's what it all boils down to, an excuse for abortion. Having fetal farms will just help put more money in pockets of politicians so they can vote against pro-life legislation.

Do you seriously think that those who believe in a woman's right to choose need an excuse to perform more abortions??
Anyone who thinks that Pro-Choice people are somehow itching do have more abortions done is seriously deranged.
No Pro-Choice person I know is for abortion, any more than those who claim to value each life as sacred.
We are in favour of educating young people so that there will be fewer, not more abortions.

Stem cell research and one's view of womens' choice of whether or not they will carry a child to term are two different things.

Incidently, what are your feelings about the hundreds and hundreds of frozen embros who do not end up as Snowflake Children and after a certain length of time are unceremoniously disposed of or more accurately KILLED when they are just flushed away?
The parents of those embryos chose to use only some of the several fertilized eggs, leaving the rest to the IF clinics to dispose of as they saw fit.
Are you more comfortable that these unwanted fetuses are just common garbage, or would you feel better, as do I, that there is a function they can possibly serve for the good of those suffering from horrible, chronic disease?

Coda · October-24th-2006, 03:07 PM

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Pretty funny, Coda.

Thanks, I've been actively working at improving the content of my posts.

Coda · October-24th-2006, 03:10 PM

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Incidently, what are your feelings about the hundreds and hundreds of frozen embros who do not end up as Snowflake Children and after a certain length of time are unceremoniously disposed of or more accurately KILLED when they are just flushed away?

My feeling is that they shouldn't be frozen to begin with. Those that are deserve a proper burial.

Scott Dolan · October-24th-2006, 03:14 PM

Hahahahaha...................

patricia · October-24th-2006, 03:17 PM

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My feeling is that they shouldn't be frozen to begin with. Those that are deserve a proper burial.

So, you're against the use of I F as a procedure to conceive babies as well??

Gentle Giant · October-24th-2006, 03:39 PM

Hey, before we start disposing of frozen embryos, how about thawing out the Splendid Splinter first?

Noj · October-24th-2006, 03:44 PM

I thought the whole stem cell argument is moot because they can use a different material which is not fertilized for the same purpose.

claude · October-24th-2006, 03:51 PM

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My feeling is that they shouldn't be frozen to begin with. Those that are deserve a proper burial.

These are embryos, not children. Should we also have a funeral every fucking month when a woman has her period?? If you're going to pontificate at least have at least a shred of knowledge about what you are pontificating.

Ron Thorne · October-24th-2006, 03:54 PM

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Thanks, I've been actively working at improving the content of my posts.

Now that's funny!

Paul B · October-24th-2006, 04:11 PM

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...But I doubt Fox, or any other liberal will bring this up. Based on Fox's illness, I'm betting he truly wants to research cures and treatment, but I doubt the majority of the Democrats do. They don't care about stem cells from bone marrow, umbilical cords, or menstral blood, or any other non-lethal source. They won't be satisfied until we're farming human fetuses so we can have an excuse for abortion. In the end, that's what it all boils down to, an excuse for abortion. Having fetal farms will just help put more money in pockets of politicians so they can vote against pro-life legislation...

Doesn't angry, small-minded ranting ever get tiring for you backwoods sods?

The Rude Pundit's take on Limbaugh is worth a read:

Why Rush Limbaugh Ought to Be Force-Fed His Own Liposuctioned Fat, Part 979:
Alas for Alex Keaton. Sigh for Marty McFly. Cry for whatever his Spin City character was named. Anyone with a heart, and a memory that goes back more than a couple of years, who watches the Michael J. Fox ad that supports Missouri Democrat Claire McCaskill for Senate will have that heart broken by the end. Through his rocking and shaking, Fox makes a simple plea to support McCaskill against Jim Talent, a proud member of Bush's ass harem, so that stem cell research might progress. Yeah, for the vast majority of of us, by dint of our humanity, no matter what our political stripes, no matter how we agree or disagree with the message, probably can't help but be moved by the ad.

Which, of course, leaves out Rush Limbaugh, whose only purpose on earth seems to be keeping big pharma in business, providing three hours of masturbation material for shut-in nutzoid conservatives - the kind who yank their scabby peckers and yowl in pain and glee whenever Rush farts his disgust at those who would stop the killing in Iraq, and making sure that Dominican child prostitutes get slapped in the thighs for a couple of seconds by his demi-erect Viagra-ed cock before he dribbles out a bit of spooge and screeches for drug mules to bring him more hillbilly heroin for his "back pain." And, of course, to eat heapin' bowls of 'nana pudding while sucking his cigar like it's Dick Cheney's, well, shit, dick.

Limbaugh said this about Fox: "[H]e was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all." Strangely, Limabaugh didn't address the fact that whether Fox was on his meds or not, the actor still has Parkinson's, the disease that forced him to retire from being in front of the camera. But then again, if you down enough oxycontin, you generally are numb to everyone's pain, yours, Michael J. Fox's, or the pre-pubescent slave whores' of Santo Domingo.

Limbaugh added later in the show, after vaguely implying that he might be overstating things, "I have gotten a plethora of e-mails from people saying Michael J. Fox has admitted in interviews that he goes off his medication for Parkinson's disease when he appears before Congress or other groups as a means of illustrating the ravages of the disease."

Now, a Google and Lexis/Nexis search hasn't revealed where this admission by Fox might have come from. But the Rude Pundit did find a July 24, 2002 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle where Fox said that the meds give him dyskinesia. "The more L-dopa one takes, the more pronounced the dyskinesia. Timing the medication, Fox says, has become an important part of his routine."

Maybe "timing the medication" for Limbaugh is the same as "goes off his medication." It's sort of like the three hours Limbaugh can go between oxcontin-infused Gorditas, timing it with his show so that every day on the air is just another episode of plumbing the deviant depths of brief periods of withdrawal.

Rob C · October-24th-2006, 04:38 PM

I have no idea whether Fox "went off" his meds for the commercial or not, but even if he did--so what? It'd be like a chemo patient appearing on TV bald, and people saying, "She deliberately didn't wear a wig!"

Ron Thorne · October-24th-2006, 05:27 PM

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I have no idea whether Fox "went off" his meds for the commercial or not, but even if he did--so what? It'd be like a chemo patient appearing on TV bald, and people saying, "She deliberately didn't wear a wig!"

Exactly, Rob.

The ignorance displayed on this subject (obviously) knows no bounds.

Scott Dolan · October-24th-2006, 05:41 PM

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Doesn't angry, small-minded ranting ever get tiring.....

Obviously the Rude Pundit doesn't think so.

crawjo · October-24th-2006, 05:46 PM

I thought that the movements were a result of the medication for Parkinson's. I think an unmedicated Parkinson's patient would be nearly incapable of moving at all.

patricia · October-24th-2006, 05:53 PM

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I thought that the movements were a result of the medication for Parkinson's. I think an unmedicated Parkinson's patient would be nearly incapable of moving at all.

No Crawjo.
Quite the opposite is true.
The most visible of the symptoms of Parkinsons' are uncontrolled tremors.
The other ravages are not so obvious.
Fox was already suffering from tremors while he was still part of the cast of his sit-com and took the medication mentioned in order to control those tremors.
Now that he has retired, for the most part, from acting he doesn't take the medication in order to appear "normal" as he did then.

Paul B · October-24th-2006, 06:38 PM

If only Limbaugh and his minions could take a drug to be "normal." Not likely....

Bye-ya

John P. Cooper · October-25th-2006, 12:39 AM

I just saw MJF on some tv drama series recently (Boston Legal?) and he was not shaking anyhwre nearly as badly as he was in the McCaskill adv.

Scott Dolan · October-25th-2006, 12:52 AM

I have no idea why I haven't seen this add considering I fucking LIVE here!!

Ron Thorne · October-25th-2006, 01:11 AM

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I just saw MJF on some tv drama series recently (Boston Legal?) and he was not shaking anyhwre nearly as badly as he was in the McCaskill adv.

John-

With all due respect, your viewing of Michael J. Fox's persona on television may have absolutely no bearing on what he's experiencing at any moment in time. And, as I'm sure you remember, there's plenty of experience to go around.

Please bear in mind that with this extremely serious disease, there is no single concept or view.

I'm sure that you don't intend to imply that MJF is "faking it" for any reason.

Gary Sisco · October-25th-2006, 08:04 AM

Is an acorn an oak tree?

Rob C · October-25th-2006, 09:27 AM

Wow, here's another ad on the same subject, that's even more effective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H3tGxQxjYw&eurl=

larrycohen · October-25th-2006, 09:49 AM

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I thought that the movements were a result of the medication for Parkinson's. I think an unmedicated Parkinson's patient would be nearly incapable of moving at all.

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No Crawjo.
Quite the opposite is true.
The most visible of the symptoms of Parkinsons' are uncontrolled tremors.
The other ravages are not so obvious.

Actually, I think you're both right. A Parkinson's patient is constantly moving due to tremors. However, in another sense, a Parkinson's patient can't move, because the main effect of Parkinson's is loss of muscle control. As a result, they eventually are wheelchair bound (as my mother was).
As far as controlling via medication, my information may be old, since my mother passed away 12 years ago, but it's very difficult. From what I remember of it, too much medicine is no good, too little medicine is no good, and the proper dose is very hard to determine, and keeps changing.

As far as going off medicine for the commercial, I see nothing wrong with that. The whole point is to show you what the disease looks like, to gain some sympathy for his cause.

Gary Sisco · October-25th-2006, 10:07 AM

Things are going to get vicious in the coming weeks.

I recall repugs denying the shit out of Reagan's clear physical symptoms of his senility during his second term. I don't recall them making fun of him or making any claims of his faking his head bob in court for political reasons.

Dumping on a sick man like Fox will seem polite by comparison with the shit we'll hear in coming weeks.

Gary Sisco · October-25th-2006, 10:11 AM

Remember when we were supposed to feel sorry for Limbaugh's "disease"?

Let's take his hillbilly heroin away from him and watch him jones on tv.

What an amazing asshole.