Pastor Ted Haggard Out of the Closet

[Clay Fink]

Ted Haggard is the head of the National Association of Evangelicals, closely associated with Bush and an opponent of homosexual marrage. This last item explains why he was married to a woman and only had gay sex with prostitutes. At least he didn't marry a guy or anything like that.

Asshole. I'm taking bets as to how long it is before he checks into a rehab and blames it on his crystal meth habit.

Here: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...115230,00.html

[rollhead]

Originally Posted by Clay Fink

Ted Haggard is the head of the National Association of Evangelicals, closely associated with Bush and an opponent of homosexual marrage. This last item explains why he was married to a woman and only had gay sex with prostitutes. At least he didn't marry a guy or anything like that.

Asshole. I'm taking bets as to how long it is before he checks into a rehab and blames it on his crystal meth habit.

Here: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...115230,00.html

No, he will blame it on Hollywood and the morally corrupt culture that Bill Clinton created.

[Rob C]

I blame it on Colorado Springs. Everyone there is a nut.

[Clay Fink]

Just remember: what happens on Brokeback Mountain stays on Brokeback Mountain.

[Gary Sisco]

Like I've said, entirely historically consistent with other puritanical eras. Hypocrisy all around. He and Foley ought to get together for ministering and sharing.

[jesus marion joseph]

Originally Posted by Clay Fink

This last item explains why he was married to a woman and only had gay sex with prostitutes. At least he didn't marry a guy or anything like that.

Ha ha!

[rollhead]

I understand that Coda is on record for supporting the view of James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, a nationally known conservative Christian organization based in Colorado Springs, who blasted the media for its "unconscionable" reporting of "a rumor like this based on nothing but one man's accusation."

No doubt it is just more liberal lies.

[Gary Sisco]

It's coming out now (no pun intended) that the most holy reverend liked to enhance his experience by snorting meth first.

More family values....

[Uli]

oh the hipocrisy. there seems to mbe more gay republicans tham even Monte could shake a stick at!

[Clay Fink]

Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

It's coming out now (no pun intended) that the most holy reverend liked to enhance his experience by snorting meth first.

More family values....

So what? He's a busy guy and needs to make the best of the free time he has.

[Rob C]

Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

It's coming out now (no pun intended) that the most holy reverend liked to enhance his experience by snorting meth first.

More family values....

No no no no. You've got it all wrong. He bought the meth, yes, and got a massage from a gay prostitute, yes, but he never used the meth or had teh sex.

Sounds reasonable. Let this be a lesson to us all about not jumping to conclusions....

[Dr Dave]

Originally Posted by rollhead

I understand that Coda is on record for supporting the view of James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, a nationally known conservative Christian organization based in Colorado Springs, who blasted the media for its "unconscionable" reporting of "a rumor like this based on nothing but one man's accusation."

No doubt it is just more liberal lies.

Hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

[rollhead]

Whoops. It wasn't the meth. This means it HAD to be the liberlas.


Nov. 3, 2006 — The president of the National Association of Evangelicals, who has resigned amid allegations that he had sex with a former self-described male prostitute, has admitted to buying methamphetamines from the man, but denied that he had used the drug or had sex with the man.

"I called him to buy some meth, but I threw it away. I bought it for myself but never used it," the Rev. Ted Haggard said today to a reporter for KUSA who interviewed him as he was leaving his Colorado Springs, Colo., home. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

[Chris D]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

Hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

[Dr Dave]

Damn, I can't get anything past DuPre.

[rollhead]

At least we can still count on Reverend Billy.



God BLESS Reverend Billy!

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

It's only a matter of time before they bring up the beastiality thing, too.

[rollhead]

My background: I’m a gay evangelist Republican member of Congress; I recently came out to my constituents/fellow congregants, mostly because I met someone with whom I wanted to pursue a relationship.

I’d never experienced this feeling before. After much courting and pursuing and meth, we met enough times that he remembered my name—then came love. Eight months later, despite a few indiscretions on both our parts, I’m happy as can be. But I don’t think we’re in the same place emotionally. I need him—well, actually I need him—and he “needs his space.” I don’t want to date anyone else, and I fear that if we were to split up I’d revert to the sexual deviant I was -- chasing any and every male GOP page around the District of Columbia, and he’d do the same.

Here’s where the story gets on your nerves.

His prior indiscretion was with a German shepherd. I have no problems with his zoophilia, per se, except that we have an almost nonexistent sex life. I wouldn’t mind this aside from a few issues.

First, he still masturbates. Second, he lied about it. Third, the very few times we have engaged in sex, he only gives, and it upsets me when he tries to maneuver us into a doggy-style position. Plus, he wants me to squeal that I am a "Yellow Dog Democrat" when he does that.

He recently went to a recovery spa (paid for by a lobbyist friend of mine) and it seemed to help, but the more time he spends at the spa, the less time he seems to want to spend with me. I may just be a screaming paranoid, but like I said, this is my first real relationship (not counting my wife who I married for campaign purposes). I love him and I can’t bear to think of us parting.

I want to have sex with him, but I want to respect his boundaries. But how do I know when I’ve given him enough space, and how do I get him to want to spend more time with me?

Am I right for giving him space? Or should I be more forceful in my pursuits?

-- Republican Congressman

P.S. Is his zoophilia relevant? I don’t think it is, because I love him despite his attraction to canines. And I’m 50, while he’s somewhere between 55 and 59. I don’t really care about his age. The first time we exchanged ages he said he was a 19 year old Congressional page, but his driver’s license had 1950 birth date on it.

Dear GOP Congressman:

Let’s quickly review your case: The man you’ve fallen in love with likes to fuck working dogs (or be fucked by dogs); doesn’t like being fucked by you; “needs his space” (in order to fuck dogs, no doubt); and lies to you about his masturbatory routine, age and God only knows what else. The one thing he hasn’t lied to you about is the dog fucking. That little detail he’s only too willing to share.

So yeah, Congressman, I’d say there’s a problem here—but you’re the problem, not him.

First, I would suggest that you immediately book an interview with Rush and Ann and explain that you have been brainwashed by the culture of "moral relatively" that has been fostered in this country by the Democrats.

Better yet, get booked on the "Church Lady" show:



Don’t get me wrong: The love of your life is a total mess, and you bear some responsibilityf or it, of course, what with all the dog-fucking, space-needing, lie-telling and therapy-inning. But this eight-month relationship would’ve ended seven months and three weeks ago if you weren’t so desperately in love with the idea of being in love. How else to explain your fear of parting from a man that any sane Republican would run screaming from?

And there really is no other explanation for your willingness to overlook issues that any sensible person would regard as four distinct deal breakers. A person might be able to have a relationship with someone who has had or is still having sex with dogs (1 to 2 percent of the population has sexual contact with animals, and even passionate zoophiles/Republicans can sustain relationships with humans), and you might be with someone who isn’t all that attracted to you, or with someone who needs his space, or with someone who lies compulsively—but not all four.

Look, Congressman, I feel for you. I’ve been there. Well, not there. I’ve never been with a dog fucker, I’m happy to report. But I have allowed myself to fall hopelessly in love with Republican/christians who were completely fucked up. And here’s what I learned: Sometimes we fall in love with people who, for whatever reason, simply aren’t healthy enough to love us back. When you realize you’re falling in love with a hopeless mess, Congressman, you don’t hang in there, hoping your belief in Jesus and the free market will cure him. It won’t.

Love is great, love is grand, but love ain’t Ayn Rand. It’s not going to magically turn some sick fucker into a healthy fucker.

So dump the dog fucker already, Congressman, and do it quickly. A man who doesn’t want to spend time with you or fuck you isn’t going to be your boyfriend much longer. For the sake of your own self-esteem, dump the dog fucker before he dumps you.

Trust me, Congressman. You don’t want to look in the mirror every morning and think to yourself, “There’s the guy who wasn’t good enough for a dog fucker.”

-- Dan Savage

[Clay Fink]

Originally Posted by Rob C

No no no no. You've got it all wrong. He bought the meth, yes, and got a massage from a gay prostitute, yes, but he never used the meth or had teh sex.

Sounds reasonable. Let this be a lesson to us all about not jumping to conclusions....

He went to a prostitute for a "massage" but didn't have sex. He bought the meth but didn't use it. And he didn't inhale.

[Tom Storer]

And he looks so truly relaxed and sincere when he says it! Assuming that he is, uh, prevaricating when he claims that he visited a male prostitute for a simple massage and purchased meth from him only to throw it away immediately, I've got to say that he is the best liar I've ever seen in terms of body language etc. If his claims weren't so obviously unlikely I'd believe him.

[Ron Thorne]

Oh, Tom, you're such a stickler for details. And, claims which actually make sense.

Shame on you!

[Deadlift]

He's an author, too. Weird.

Check out the latest Customer Reviews

[Gary Sisco]

Sullivan:

Here's what you are being asked to believe: Haggard never had sex and never used crystal meth. Bush never ordered torture. The insurgency is in its last throes. Michael Brown did a "heckuva job." And Rummy is doing a "fantastic job."

[Gentle Giant]

There's nothing wrong with getting a massage from a drug-dealing gay prostitute. The problem is, "it moved."

[GoodSpeak]

First Delay, then Foley now this [oh, how the self-annointed moralists have fallen]:

Evangelical ousted amid gay sex scandal
By KIM NGUYEN, Associated Press Writer

(Updated Saturday, November 4, 2006, 9:10 PM)



COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) - The Rev. Ted Haggard was dismissed Saturday as leader of the megachurch he founded after a board determined the influential evangelist had committed "sexually immoral conduct," the church said.

Haggard had resigned two days earlier as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, where he held sway in Washington and condemned homosexuality, after a Denver man named Mike Jones claimed to have had drug-fueled trysts with him. He also had placed himself on administrative leave from the New Life Church, but its Overseer Board took the stronger action Saturday.

"Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct," the independent board said in a statement.

Haggard was "informed of this decision," the statement said, and he "agreed as well that he should be dismissed."

Haggard, 50, on Friday acknowledged paying Jones for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he did not have sex with him and did not take the drug.

The statement from the 14,000-member church said the investigation would continue to determine the extent of the misconduct. The Rev. Mike Ware of Victory Church in Westminster, a member of the board, declined to characterize what investigators found but said the board did not talk to Jones.

Haggard did not answer his home or mobile phones Saturday, and neither was accepting messages. The Rev. Rob Brendle, an associate pastor at New Life, said Haggard was out of town.

"We are fully confident in the board's judgment and decision," Brendle said. "Everyone supports Ted and his family. We stand by him."

Jones said the news of Haggard's dismissal made him sad.

"I feel really bad for his wife and family and his congregation. I know it's a sad day for them, too," Jones said. "I feel bad when someone has so many attachments to others. It affects everyone. I'm certainly not cheering or jumping up and down over what's happened.

"I just hope the family has peace and can come to terms with things. I hope they can continue with a happy life."

The Rev. Ross Parsley will lead the church until a permanent replacement for Haggard is chosen by the end of the year, the statement said. A letter explaining Haggard's removal and an apology from him will be read at Sunday services.

Haggard's situation is a disappointment to Christian conservatives, whom President Bush and other Republicans are courting heavily in the run-up to Tuesday's election.

Many were already disheartened with the president and the Republican-controlled Congress over their failure to deliver big gains on social issues even before the congressional page scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley.


Mike Jones poses for a photographer in downtown Denver on Thursday, Nov. 2, 2006. Jones told the Associated Press on Thursday that evangelical leader Rev. Ted Haggard paid him to have sex as many as 36 times over three years.

Haggard, who had been president of the evangelical association since 2003, has participated in conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied Congress last year on Supreme Court nominees.

Haggard visited the White House once or twice, Deputy Press Secretary Tony Fratto said Friday.

Richard Cizik, the evangelical association's vice president for governmental affairs, called Haggard's ouster "heartbreaking and unfortunate."

"He is a man who has done a lot of good and who hopefully after a period of repentance and counsel and spiritual restoration will have a future ministry at some point," Cizik said.

The association has named President Leith Anderson, senior pastor of Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie, Minn., as its interim president.

The board's decision cuts Haggard off from leadership of the massive church he founded in the mid-1980s. He held New Life's first services in the unfinished basement of his Colorado Springs home.

Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered who Haggard was and found out that the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage - a key issue in Colorado, with a pair of issues on Tuesday's ballot.

"It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," Jones said.

Jones has denied selling drugs but said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience. Jones agreed to take a lie-detector test Friday; the administrator of the test said the answers about his sex allegations "indicated deception."

But Jones said Saturday: "Obviously they determined there was sexual indiscretions, so I think that vindicates my claim."

Haggard told reporters he bought meth but never used it; he said he received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel. Jones said that no hotel referred Haggard and that he advertises only in gay publications.

In a TV interview this week, Haggard said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

Church member Christine Rayes, 47, said the congregation had hoped the allegations "were all lies."

"We all have to move forward now," she said. "This doesn't make what Ted accomplished here any less. The farther up you are, the more you are a target for Satan."

Associated Press writer Judith Kohler contributed to this report.

source: http://dwb.fresnobee.com/24hour/fron...12530009c.html

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

Two days late and couple of bucks short again, eh?

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

Well, nobody bought our boy's no sex/ no snort story, including his church:

>>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The "moral failings" and "sexual misconduct" of one of the country's most influential evangelists led to his dismissal Saturday from the helm of the megachurch he founded in his basement.

The Rev. Ted Haggard was removed as leader of New Life Church after a group of pastors investigating allegations against him determined Haggard had "committed sexually immoral conduct."

"We have decided that the most positive and productive direction for our church is his dismissal and removal," said a statement from the four pastors outside New Life Church.

Haggard agreed with their decision, which was made "in consultation with leading evangelicals and experts familiar with the type of behavior Pastor Haggard has demonstrated," according to a statement released by the board.

The Rev. Mike Ware of Victory Church in Westminster, a member of the independent board, declined to characterize what investigators found, but their inquiry apparently isn't over.

The board "will continue to explore the depth of Pastor Haggard's offense so that a plan of healing and restoration can begin," read a statement from the church.

The news stunned and saddened people at the church, who were busy Saturday afternoon setting up for what they expect to be an overflow crowd for Sunday morning services. A letter of explanation and apology by Haggard and a "word of encouragement" from his wife, Gayle, will be read at the 9 a.m. and 11 a.m. services.<<

[John P. Cooper]

Originally Posted by GoodSpeak

First Delay, then Foley now this [oh, how the self-annointed moralists have fallen

This shit is really important to you, huh?

[Gary Sisco]

Any doper would see through this line of shit. If there was ever a drug that's an unlikely candidate for a massage session, it would be methamphetimine.

Who in the fuck would so crystal for a massage?

Duh?

Hey, let's do some speed and get a nice, relaxing massage!

Right. Fucking liars. It's getting to be a society comprised of liars living on lies.

[Gary Sisco]

Here's a good one from Sullivan:

A final confirmation that Haggard was still lying yesterday. But what's interesting to me is that having adulterous gay sex is apparently, in Haggard's mind, a worse sin than buying crystal meth. He copped to the meth before the sex. A reader commented yesterday:


It's telling that Rev. Haggard first admission is to purchasing meth. America can tolerate drug stories. We've heard them before. We like them even. The popularity of James Frey's memoir, err, novel, speaks to our affinity for these tales of dissolution and rehabilitation. After all, a user can be redeemed. Not so with a homosexual. What I believe is most horrifying to many Christianists about homosexuality is that it can't be fixed, or worse, that its practitioners do not even desire to be fixed. Gays are sinners who don't want redemption.

Recall that Rep. Foley used a similar tactic in the unspooling of his confessions. As I remember it, Foley checked into a substance abuse program just days after the allegations of page abuse surfaced. That strategy: turn pedophilia into a story about alcoholism and Foley's own childhood abuse. We don't know how the Haggard story will eventually unfold, but I bet that his handlers will hide the sex behind the smoke of the meth pipe as much as they can.


Wrong, it turns out. The drugs-worse-than sex may be a story that works in the mainstream; but among some Christianists, drug abuse is nowhere near as bad as being gay.

***********************

Guy's right in a different sense, though. This has become a society whereby one blames one's own behavior on other people or other things, drugs being only one. It's a generation that talks a good personal responsibility but the practice of it is rarer than a Gordon B at Parris Island. (Joking, Gordon.)

Haggard also forgets the hymn:

He sees when you're speeding,
He knows when you're awake,
He knows if you've been gay or straight....