What is the most recent essential eai work?

Uli · January-7th-2007, 10:17 AM

name one work that you personally feel is essential in any great eai collection

if hard pressed i could probably come up with something more recent but given the nerdiness of the discussions about it

i personally feel that John Cage's 4'33", for any ensemble or number of players is it.

Gary Sisco · January-7th-2007, 10:57 AM

Your mama's.

Vince Kargatis · January-7th-2007, 11:12 AM

It would be nice if Uli felt any obligation as a community member to harbor substantive discussion (and inhibit the opposite) on this board.

Gary Sisco · January-7th-2007, 11:18 AM

Lots of things would be nice.

Alas ...

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 12:00 PM

but if you want an actual answer, there are plenty from the last five years. you know, unlike jazz, which is as dead as Richard Nixon.

Gary Sisco · January-7th-2007, 12:01 PM

Nixon's dead?

Monte Smith · January-7th-2007, 04:03 PM

It's kinda funny that the question, which would be a straight inquiry about any other genre of music, is taken as an obvious attack on eai. With Uli's history, I am sure this is taken correctly. But still.

My question would be, why buy an eai record? Rather than, say, listen to your dishwasher...for free.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:05 PM

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My question would be, why buy an eai record? Rather than, say, listen to your dishwasher...for free.

again, you're better than this.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:06 PM

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It's kinda funny that the question, which would be a straight inquiry about any other genre of music, is taken as an obvious attack on eai. With Uli's history, I am sure this is taken correctly. But still.

it's a hilariously ignorant "attack" also, almost as dumb as yours, as the Cage piece is clearly part of contemporary classical, not EAI at all. it'd be like saying Bill Monroe made the last great jazz record.

Uli · January-7th-2007, 04:13 PM

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it's a hilariously ignorant "attack" also, almost as dumb as yours, as the Cage piece is clearly part of contemporary classical, not EAI at all. it'd be like saying Bill Monroe made the last great jazz record.

I consider eai comtemporary classical. Who the hey is Bill Monroe?

Monte Smith · January-7th-2007, 04:14 PM

Well Jon, your hilarious "defense" of eai (above) is an attack on another genre of music. So you're hardly above those you condemn.

Incidentally, my favorite review of the eai experience has to be Gary "I have tinnitus" Sisco talking about how he can tune an eai record by turning his head. That's either great music or drugs. I gotta go tune my dishwasher.

Uli · January-7th-2007, 04:19 PM

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Well Jon, your hilarious "defense" of eai (above) is an attack on another genre of music. So you're hardly above those you condemn.

*CLASP*

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:35 PM

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Who the hey is Bill Monroe?

seriously? wow.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:37 PM

"Bill Monroe was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame in 1970, the International Bluegrass Music Hall of Honor as an inaugural inductee in 1991, and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (as an "early influence") in 1997. He is the only performer honored in all three."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Monroe

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:39 PM

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Well Jon, your hilarious "defense" of eai (above) is an attack on another genre of music.

actually, those are separate sentences. you can tell by the period in between.

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Incidentally, my favorite review of the eai experience has to be Gary "I have tinnitus" Sisco talking about how he can tune an eai record by turning his head. That's either great music or drugs. I gotta go tune my dishwasher.

you come off as remarkably stupid when you stop by these threads, FYI.

Cem · January-7th-2007, 04:43 PM

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Monte, go fuck yourself. I've always been friendly to you here, consider that over.

Let's not pull any punches, shall we...?

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:44 PM

I deleted that, feel free to do the same.

Monte Smith · January-7th-2007, 04:44 PM

It's just an honest opinion, Jon, don't let's get unfriendly. I'm not on an anti-eai crusade. I certainly don't see the need for that. I wouldn't have responded to this thread at all if I wasn't so confoundedly bored. Frigging Sundays. You go play your electric calculator music, I'll fuck off.

Cem · January-7th-2007, 04:45 PM

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I deleted that, feel free to do the same.

Not feeling that free this morning.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:46 PM

it would be "an honest opinion" if it was actually based on listening to the music under discussion. I'm pretty positive that's not the case, though.

Monte Smith · January-7th-2007, 04:47 PM

I'm not a scholar of the stuff, like I sense you have to be.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:47 PM

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Not feeling that free this morning.

no worries, lame-ass hippie. thanks for chiming in!

Vince Kargatis · January-7th-2007, 04:48 PM

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Who the hey is Bill Monroe?

A landmark early jazz artist, essential to any great jazz collection.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:49 PM

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I'm not a scholar of the stuff, like I sense you have to be.

evading the point. what have you heard? anything? seriously, you're talking about a pretty big area of music. I've heard thousands of hours of jazz, seen hundreds of jazz shows, my opinions on the genre stem from that. what do yours stem from?

Cem · January-7th-2007, 04:50 PM

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no worries, lame-ass hippie. thanks for chiming in!

I might have mixed feelings about your releases, but you're pretty entertaining.

Monte Smith · January-7th-2007, 04:54 PM

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I've heard thousands of hours of jazz, seen hundreds of jazz shows, my opinions on the genre stem from that.

Jon, no one needs to listen to a thousand hours of crap before they can have an opinion. They can listen to three minutes of eai and have it feel like a thousand hours.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 04:59 PM

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Jon, no one needs to listen to a thousand hours of crap before they can have an opinion. They can listen to three minutes of eai and have it feel like a thousand hours.

still evading the point. WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD IN ORDER TO DISMISS AN ENTIRE GENRE, not just for yourself, but publicly and insultingly? simple question.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 05:04 PM

and of course anyone can dismiss anything for themselves, personally, based on the flimsiest of info, or even nothing. no one can process all the art in the world, everyone has to pick and choose what they think they'll be the most into. and EAI certainly isn't for everyone, I've said that here for years.

it's the publicly insulting and dismissing part that I'm going after, and you're a smart enough guy to realize how fucking stupid you're being there. at least I think you are.

Monte Smith · January-7th-2007, 05:12 PM

Do you really consider a dispute on this board to be publicly insulting? And insulting of what? An entire genre? My deepest apologies to the genre.

Jon Abbey · January-7th-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

Do you really consider a dispute on this board to be publicly insulting? And insulting of what? An entire genre? My deepest apologies to the genre.

why won't you answer my question? how many times do I need to ask it? are you so embarrassed of the answer?