R&R Hall of Fame: new inductees

Squaredancecalling Steve · January-8th-2007, 02:41 PM

Getting in this year wil be:

R.E.M.
Van Halen
Patti Smith
The Ronettes
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five

On the ballot and not making the cut:

The Stooges
Chic
The Dave Clark Five
Joe Tex (Why he is not already in is beyond me!)

lazarus · January-8th-2007, 03:03 PM

R.E.M. and Van Halen but not Stooges and Joe Tex. Ridiculous!

I love Patti Smith!!!!

Noj · January-8th-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Squaredancecalling Steve

Joe Tex (Why he is not already in is beyond me!)

Maybe some of those voting are women with, or have wives with, skinny legs.

BFrank · January-8th-2007, 03:28 PM

... and no Dave Clark Five, either.

Pete C · January-8th-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

I love Patti Smith!!!!

Her voice has gotten better with age. I saw her on TV not too long ago, maybe Later...with Jools Holland.

Gentle Giant · January-8th-2007, 04:43 PM

I'd love it if they ask Brian Wilson to induct the Ronettes, given that it's highly unlikely anyone on earth has played Be My Baby as many times as he has.

Chris D · January-8th-2007, 05:07 PM

I'd like it better if R.E.M. were inducted for "the period when no one could really understand Stipe."

steve(thelil) · January-8th-2007, 05:24 PM

The Dave Clark 5 deserve to be in.

I think they are undervalued because they were good looking and well-bred, and therefore easy to confuse with lightweight British pop of the era, like Herman's Hermits, Gerry and the Pacemakers and Freddie and the Dreamers.

By contrasts, the DC 5 had a long stream of very good and very big hits. Also, they might have been the first rock band who played their instruments that also used an r&b horn section on their records (although the horns were played by sidemen).

But the DC 5 ROCKED.Glad all Over and Bits and Pieces rocked harder than any hit records of the early British Invasion Era.

I would argue that most of the following records all hold up as well or better than 99% of the pre-1966 hard rock by rock groups (as opposed to the solo artists Elvis or Little Richard or Jerry Lee. I'm NOT saying the DC5 rocked as hard as Little Richard):

Glad All Over
Any Way You Want It
Can't You See That She's Mine
Bits and Pieces
Do You Love Me
I Like It Like That
Try Too Hard
You Got What It Takes
Over and Over
Havin A Wild Weekend

It sounds like a joke, but the Clash's great "Train in Vain" is basically a Dave Clark 5 song in the vein of Bits and Pieces or Glad All Over or Over and Over

and then there was "Because" .....to show their tender side

Dan G · January-8th-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris D

I'd like it better if R.E.M. were inducted for "the period when no one could really understand Stipe."

Yeah, they really went down fast after Fables of the Reconstruction. The next album, Life's Rich Pageant, was just boring, but Green was pretty much unlistenable. I doubt they've done anything that bad again (except that Shiny Happy People crap) but they've managed to be consistently boring for close to 2 decades.

In the mid-90s, during their commercial hey-day, a woman I worked with claimed she was a huge fan. I happened to be playing Reckoning one time when she came in to work and she had never heard of it, and also hated it. It's almost like there's a generation that doesn't even know that IRS albums exist.

Squaredancecalling Steve · January-8th-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Noj

Maybe some of those voting are women with, or have wives with, skinny legs.

"Now, Who'll take the woman with the skinny legs?
C'mon somebody please take the lady with the skinny legs.
Now, you all know the lady with the skinny legs got to have somebody too, now.
Will somebody please take the lady with the skinny legs, please?"

"Hey,Joe"

"Yeah Bobby?"

"Why don't you take her?"

"You-a-fool?
I don't want no woman with no skinny legs."

BFrank · January-8th-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete C

Her voice has gotten better with age. I saw her on TV not too long ago, maybe Later...with Jools Holland.

Patti's definitely still got "cred". I saw her a couple of years ago in a small-ish club and it was a great show.

Pete C · January-8th-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by steve(thelil)

But the DC 5 ROCKED.Glad all Over and Bits and Pieces rocked harder than any hit records of the early British Invasion Era.

I think you're forgetting about "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All of the Night."

Dr Dave · January-8th-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete C

I think you're forgetting about "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All of the Night."

...also "Can't Explain" and "My Generation."

Rob C · January-8th-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan G

Life's Rich Pageant, was just boring

That one (no apostrophe, BTW!) has a special place in my heart, because it was the album that first opened my 15-year-old ears to something other than "classic rock". (My feeling was not unlike that of Steve Martin in The Jerk, when he hears the big band music on the radio and decides he has to leave home: "If this is out there... think what else could be out there!")

Post-IRS, I liked the New Adventures in Hi-Fi a lot.

'Course, I never listen to R.E.M. anymore.

MRS · January-8th-2007, 11:57 PM

Chris D · January-9th-2007, 10:04 AM

I saw Van Halen before anyone knew who they were -- first act on a triple bill with Ronnie Montrose (trying to go the Beck "Wired" route and failing) and Journey (gaaak, we went to see Schon, Rolie and Aynsley Dunbar jam, as they had before, and this pencil-neck geek singer came out flipping Frisbees, had to walk out) -- and man did I hate them. They seemed so retro dumb and bombastic. Later I realized that was the point, but, meh. I like "Panama," though, and the original lineup seemed like the '70 Who compared with Van Hagar.

Gary Sisco · January-9th-2007, 10:37 AM

Cryin' shame, the Hall of Fame.

John L · January-9th-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Squaredancecalling Steve

Joe Tex (Why he is not already in is beyond me! [/IMG]

No shit. And maybe one day they will get around to people like Roy Brown and Wynonie Harris.

Gary Sisco · January-9th-2007, 11:16 AM

Don't hold your breath.

Dr Dave · January-9th-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris D

I saw Van Halen before anyone knew who they were -- first act on a triple bill with Ronnie Montrose (trying to go the Beck "Wired" route and failing) and Journey (gaaak, we went to see Schon, Rolie and Aynsley Dunbar jam, as they had before, and this pencil-neck geek singer came out flipping Frisbees, had to walk out) -- and man did I hate them. They seemed so retro dumb and bombastic. Later I realized that was the point, but, meh. I like "Panama," though, and the original lineup seemed like the '70 Who compared with Van Hagar.

The reason I listened to them all those years ago was to hear Alex Van Halen and Michael Anthony. They made the space for David and Eddie to cavort in, and it was a BIG space.

steve(thelil) · January-10th-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete C

I think you're forgetting about "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All of the Night."

Pete: I was forgetting those. But other than famous lead/rhythm guitar part of those two Kink Klasics, the records were no more rocking than the 2 DC 5 songs I mentioned.

Doc: Clearly the Who rocked harder than the DC 5, but I think the Who songs you mentioned weren't the first wave of the invasion that I was talking about.

Surfer · January-10th-2007, 04:07 PM

Van Halen I is canonic.

Monte Smith · January-10th-2007, 05:33 PM

Eddie Van Halen around the time of 1984 (I guess it was 1984) was on fire. Bringing synths into so-called metal with "Jump," providing guitars for monster Michael Jackson hits, banging the one good-looking chick on One Day at a Time, man! I'd be Eddie Van Halen circa-1984 even if every other day I had to be Alex Van Halen.

steve(thelil) · January-11th-2007, 10:30 AM

To my ears, Eddie Van Halen is all about the fingers. Everything he plays lets you know how much technical ability he has, but none of it moves me.

Now if I could see Monte in Spandex - rocking his Roth dance moves to the brilliant synth/metal hybrid that is "Jump" - I might get it.

Gary Sisco · January-11th-2007, 10:59 AM

Steve -- I'm almost embarassed by your last, a rare (for you) lapse of r'n'r taste.

Robert de St. Loup · January-11th-2007, 02:37 PM

I always get REM confused with REO Speedwagon -- who themselves are long overdue for induction.

Root Doctor · January-11th-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

Eddie Van Halen around the time of 1984 (I guess it was 1984) was on fire. Bringing synths into so-called metal with "Jump," providing guitars for monster Michael Jackson hits, banging the one good-looking chick on One Day at a Time, man! I'd be Eddie Van Halen circa-1984 even if every other day I had to be Alex Van Halen.

Have you seen Valerie Bertinelli nowadays? She looks like her husband's stunt double.

Van Halen earned my grudging admiration when they realized they sucked mightily and became a comedy act.

kedoane · January-11th-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Root Doctor

Have you seen Valerie Bertinelli nowadays? She looks like her husband's stunt double.

Van Halen earned my grudging admiration when they realized they sucked mightily and became a comedy act.

The other day I was talking to some of my fellow KSJS buddies and one of them said that Eddie and Valerie's son, Wolfgang, is currently playing bass for Van Halen. Not too sure if it is true since I haven't follow the band in a long time.