Top Post free jazz/ euro improv cds

saltwatersnow · July-28th-2003, 01:31 AM

[ in no particular order]
1. otomo yoshihide- enseble cathode
2. such- the issue at hand
3. tilbury, sachiko,dafeldecker, hautzinger- absinth
4. cosmos- tears
5. malfatti,durrant,lehn-dach
6.drumm,tetreault- particles and smears
7. taku sugimoto- italia
8. butcher , dorner, charles- the contest of pleasures

frankpop1 · July-28th-2003, 10:49 AM

does yoshihide count.

are these pure euro collaberations or just led by euro dates?

barry guy - ode
barry guy - harmos
brotzmann - dried ol rat dog
brotzmann - live in berlin
bailey/bennink - han or yankees
malfatti, durrant, lehn - dach
butcher/durrant - secret measures
evan parker - 50th b'day concert
evan parker - Conic section
paul lytton - balance of trade

michaelr · July-28th-2003, 11:44 AM

I think the title to this thread is a bit confusing. If I understand it correctly, it is meant to be top improv disks that are post free jazz AND euro improv. Is that correct?

Now we get into that fun and exciting task of defining lines. Is AMM "euro improv"... ?

Vince Kargatis · July-28th-2003, 12:57 PM

Gotta be OR, right? Can't see several of the first list fitting AND. OR's my initial interpretation anyway, of the colloquial use of "A/B".

saltwatersnow · July-28th-2003, 01:05 PM

i meant improv disks that are post the free jazz and eruo improv styles,, things that commonly fall into the eai discussions but i didnt want to limit it to that

Brian Olewnick · July-28th-2003, 06:32 PM

Along with (and possibly before) any number of AMMs and Ersts, "Duos for Doris" would be at the top of my list.

Pete C · July-28th-2003, 07:09 PM

This promises to be the hippest thread ever.

Pete C · July-28th-2003, 07:12 PM

Or perhaps the post-hippest.

frankpop1 · July-29th-2003, 06:27 PM

Quote:

i meant improv disks that are post the free jazz and eruo improv styles,, things that commonly fall into the eai discussions but i didnt want to limit it to that

NOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT??????????

frankpop1 · July-29th-2003, 06:30 PM

so this can be american or german or even mars right? but it should be primarily dominated by electric as in post cage/stockhausen. but from improvisers. in fact this is an eai list but we open it up to what else.

i suspect all. i was just confused, becuz i never thought ...

Pete C · July-29th-2003, 06:50 PM

When 2 guys who neither capitalize nor punctuate properly don't understand each other, what hope is there for communication?

saltwatersnow · July-29th-2003, 09:13 PM

post as in things that come after the syles known as free jazz and its european version i.e. bailey brotzman and the like.... the important part not being the date things are made i.e. a david s ware album which comes after original free jazz but is an extension of the style, but rather things that are a style of improv which developed after those two inovations. really i just wanted to put a list of some favorite eai albums and its become the communicatiom nightmare. i didnt call it top eai albums cause there maybe other things people consider new styles which im not aware of. its also hilarious to me that people call eai the hipster music on this board.. well its good to be in the hip crowd somewhere.

Uli · July-29th-2003, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by saltwatersnow
its also hilarious to me that people call eai the hipster music on this board.. well its good to be in the hip crowd somewhere.

To me that's hilarious as well. It maybe superb, but hip? Do words still mean anything.....

Jon Abbey · July-30th-2003, 02:48 AM

10 top non-Ersts, reserving the right to edit later, and in no particular order:

Taku Sugimoto-Opposite (hat Noir)
Radian-rec.extern (Thrill Jockey)
Keith Rowe/Burkhard Beins-Grain (Zarek)
John Wall-Constructions I-IV (Utterpsalm)
Andrea Neumann/Toshimaru Nakamura-Aton (Rossbin)
Filament-29092000 (Amoebic)
Kevin Drumm-Sheer Hellish Miasma (Mego)
Dafeldecker/Kurzmann/Fennesz/O'Rourke/Drumm/Siewert (orange record) (Charhizma)
Jason Lescalleet-Mattresslessness (Cut)
Tetuzi Akiyama-Relator (Slub)

my top 10 Ersts, in order of release:

005: Keith Rowe/Günter Müller/Taku Sugimoto-The World Turned Upside Down
006: Kevin Drumm/Martin Tétreault-Particles and Smears
014: Phil Durrant/Thomas Lehn/Radu Malfatti-dach
018: Keith Rowe/Toshimaru Nakamura-Weather Sky
021: MIMEO/John Tilbury-The Hands of Caravaggio
023: Polwechsel/Fennesz-Wrapped Islands
024: Cosmos-Tears
025: Burkhard Stangl/Dieb 13-eh
030-2: Keith Rowe/John Tilbury-Duos for Doris
034: Günter Müller/Toshimaru Nakamura-tint (not released yet, but it's finished. it will be part of the box set later this year)

walto · July-30th-2003, 03:21 PM

No no no. The best Erstwhile is certainly "La Voyelle Liquide"!

saltwatersnow · July-31st-2003, 12:53 PM

no dorner/drumm in the top ersts, also dont you worry about hurting your artists feelings with that list
j

Jon Abbey · July-31st-2003, 01:53 PM

the toughest ones for me to leave off that list were Schnee and do, actually, but 3 of those 4 musicians are represented by later releases, so I didn't feel too bad. it's just my personal favorite 10 out of the 30, it doesn't mean I don't think many of the others are great also.

frankpop1 · August-2nd-2003, 08:12 PM

BUT NO POIRE_Z + ??????????????????????????

frankpop1 · August-2nd-2003, 08:38 PM

i dont feel well versed enuf but ....

Durrant/Lehn/Radu Malfatti-dach
amm - fine
BUTCHER/durrant -secret measures
Borbetomagus & Friends-Industrial Strength [i know its a push]
poire_z +
rova - electric rags 2
mcphee - Mister Peabody Goes to Baltimore or willisau
braxton/teitelbaum-open aspects
zorn - archery
amm - newfoundland