ECM not yet on CD

BrianL1 · February-19th-2007, 12:36 AM

So, what are your ECM favorites not yet on CD?

I'm curious what Manfred has against John Abercrombie's late 70's/early 80's quartet for instance. Arcade did receive a re-issue over in Japan, amoung some other MIA stuff, so it seems like this one should be straightforward to bring out again.

Ron Thorne · February-19th-2007, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL1

I'm curious what Manfred has against John Abercrombie's late 70's/early 80's quartet for instance.

Are you hip to something we're not? Manfred has something against some of his own recordings?

Perhaps it's budgetary? An oversight? A strategy?

To answer your original thread question, I've not given it much thought, frankly. There are more ECM CDs available than I can afford as it is. If/when I think of some favorites which have been overlooked, I'll be sure to mention them.

7/4 · February-19th-2007, 09:11 AM

Arcade
Abercrombie Quartet
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Steve Eliovson (yeah, like that's going to happen)
Derek Bailey & Dave Holland
Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields

Dennis Gonzalez · February-19th-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 7/4

Steve Eliovson (yeah, like that's going to happen)

The Dawn Dance CD is available from ECM's website.

Hot Ptah · February-19th-2007, 10:51 AM

Jack DeJohnette-Inflation Blues (a good one)

There is a statement about this subject on ECM's website. Paraphrasing, it says that some more reissues may come out but that ECM is mostly interested in new releases. It does not create much hope that the remaining titles will ever be issued on CD.

jazzgregg · February-19th-2007, 10:58 AM

I'm assuming most of you have seen this OOP ECM page? How up to date is it?
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guy · February-19th-2007, 10:59 AM

Bennie Maupin -- The Jewel in the Lotus (a classic from Herbie's Mwandishi band)

Fortunately, at least some of the out-of-print ECMs are circulating in MP3 format. So while ECM will hopefully get their act together, alternatives exist.

Guy

Dennis Gonzalez · February-19th-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzgregg

I'm assuming most of you have seen this OOP ECM page? How up to date is it?
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I know for sure the JAPO OOP list is out of date.

Ron Thorne · February-19th-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 7/4

Arcade
Abercrombie Quartet

Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields

Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields is available from several sources.

Here's one:

Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields

John Abercrombie - Arcade is also available on CD. It's not cheap, but it's available as an import as you can see below.

John Abercrombie - Arcade

Google is a wonderful resource . . . if you use it.

BrianL1 · February-19th-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Thorne

Are you hip to something we're not? Manfred has something against some of his own recordings?

Perhaps it's budgetary? An oversight? A strategy?

No, I'm certainly not hip to anything on this front.

It is just awfully curious that none of this set of John's albums have seen a general CD release. Besides these, I think everything else of his may be available. A notable omission.

BrianL1 · February-19th-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Thorne

Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields is available from several sources.

Here's one:

Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields

This one is really worth getting... one of my favorite ECMs.

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John Abercrombie - Arcade is also available on CD. It's not cheap, but it's available as an import as you can see below.

John Abercrombie - Arcade

Google is a wonderful resource . . . if you use it.

I guess ECM licensed these for a Japan release. Some other otherwise unavailable ECMs were also available as well in Japan in the same batch. Anyway, you'd think these would be easy enough to be made more generally available.

Ron Thorne · February-19th-2007, 07:01 PM

It's all subjective, of course, but for me, The Colors of Chloe is a more substantial, interesting and consistent album from Eberhard Weber.

I really like the first track on Yellow Fields (Touch) a lot, as well as the occasional appearance from Charlie Mariano on saxophones, though.

BrianL1 · February-19th-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Thorne

It's all subjective, of course, but for me, The Colors of Chloe is a more substantial, interesting and consistent album from Eberhard Weber.

I really like the first track on Yellow Fields (Touch) a lot, as well as the occasional appearance from Charlie Mariano on saxophones, though.

I like Colours of Chloe as well, but for some reason it seems very much locked into the 70's for me, whereas Yellow Fields hasn't dated at all (to these ears).

Nefertiti · February-20th-2007, 09:38 AM

I've not yet heard of an ECM CD that went OOP. Maybe some titles are no longer distributed in the US, but they are available from ECM directly.

This is a list of ECM albums which were never reissued on CD. "JP" means it was only reissued in Japan.

1002 Just Music - Just Music
1005 The Music Improvisation Company
1006 Wolfgang Dauner - Output
1008JP Robin Kenyatta - Girl From Martinique
1010 Paul Bley - Ballads
1012 Bobo Stenson/Arild Anderson/Jon Christensen - Underwear
1013 David Holland/Derek Bailey - Improvisation For Cello And Guitar
1026JP Stanley Cowell Trio - Illusion Suite
1039 Dave Liebman - Lookout Farm
1040 Gary Burton - Seven Songs For Quartet And Chamber Orchestra: Music By Michael Gibbs
1043 Bennie Maupin - The Jewel In The Lotus
1053 Michael Naura - Vanessa
1054JP Richard Beirach - EON
1058JP Steve Kuhn - Ecstasy
1059JP Arild Andersen - Clouds in my head
1082 Arild Andersen - Shimri
1094 Steve Kuhn and Ecstasy - Motility
1098 Julian Priester and Marine Intrusion - Polarization
1104JP Richard Beirach - Hubris
1124 Steve Kuhn - Non-Fiction
1127 Arild Andersen Quartet - Green Shading Into Blue
1134 Tom Van Der Geld - Path
1142JP Richard Beirach - ELM
1146 Double Image - Dawn
1159 Steve Kuhn/Sheila Jordan Band - Playground
1162 Sam Rivers - Contrasts
1166 Enrico Rava Quartet - AH
1196 Thomas Demenga/Heinz Reber - Cellorganics
1176 John Clark - Faces
1178 Barre Phillips - Music By...
1188 Arild Andersen - Lifelines
1199 Katrina Krimsky/Trevor Watts - Stella Malu
1206 Gallery
1221 Adelhard Roidinger - Schattseite
1225 Dewey Redman - The struggle continous
1226 Gary Burton - Picture This
1237 Pirchner-Pepl-DeJohnette
1257 Barre Philips - Call me when you get there
1264 Alfred Harth - This earth
1268 Lask - Sucht und Ordnung

7/4 · February-20th-2007, 01:23 PM

Listing Arcade is such I habit, I forgot I just got it from Amazon a few days ago as an import. Still...these should be on the shelves here in the US.

BrianL1 · February-20th-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nefertiti

I've not yet heard of an ECM CD that went OOP. Maybe some titles are no longer distributed in the US, but they are available from ECM directly.

This is a list of ECM albums which were never reissued on CD. "JP" means it was only reissued in Japan.

[...]

1012 Bobo Stenson/Arild Anderson/Jon Christensen - Underwear

This is/was out in Japan.

http://www.amazon.com/Underwear-Bobo...e=UTF8&s=music

bostontricky · February-20th-2007, 08:30 PM

1005 Music Improvisation Company is also available as a Japanese CD.

Nim Chimpsky · February-21st-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bostontricky

1005 Music Improvisation Company is also available as a Japanese CD.

Is this the one that was recorded from a virgin vinyl copy and if you listen carefully you can here the crackles? Alastair might know this one.

Alastair · February-21st-2007, 10:57 AM

That's the one.

I get the feeling that many of those Japanese-only ECM reissues may have been the same, and that's the reason Mr Eicher won't reissue them worldwide.

Jazzylisp · February-22nd-2007, 11:15 AM

I'm more curious which ECMs that have not been on CD are being considered for reissue. I was pleasantly surprised when Steve Kuhn's Trance, Priester's Love Love, and the Holland/Phillips Two Bases were done.

Another recent one I was lucky to come across was the Om Retrospective from the old Japo recordings. It contains the whole Cerberus album + tracks from the others. (of course I wish they'd just done the whole catalog).

These are some of the ones I'm hoping for:

1039 Dave Liebman - Lookout Farm
1053 Michael Naura - Vanessa
1059JP Arild Andersen - Clouds in my head
1082 Arild Andersen - Shimri
1098 Julian Priester and Marine Intrusion - Polarization
1127 Arild Andersen Quartet - Green Shading Into Blue
1188 Arild Andersen - Lifelines
Abercrombie - M
Abercrombie - Quartet
Jack DeJohnette - Untitled
Jack DeJohnette - New Rags
Everyman Band - s/t

Apparently there's some sort of Japanese issue of Lookout Farm, but I'm not sure who did it (i.e. if it's legal). There was an issue of Arild Andersen's Clouds In My Head?

Simon Fay · February-23rd-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nefertiti

I've not yet heard of an ECM CD that went OOP. Maybe some titles are no longer distributed in the US, but they are available from ECM directly.

Last time I looked in the catalogue (a while back admittedly) ECM did appear to have allowed the CDs of Doran et al's 'Musik Fuer Zwei Kontrabass...' and Alex Cline's 'The Lamp And The Star' go oop (both could still be had on vinyl though)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefertiti

This is a list of ECM albums which were never reissued on CD. "JP" means it was only reissued in Japan.

1006 Wolfgang Dauner - Output
1008JP Robin Kenyatta - Girl From Martinique
1026JP Stanley Cowell Trio - Illusion Suite
1039 Dave Liebman - Lookout Farm
1040 Gary Burton - Seven Songs For Quartet And Chamber Orchestra: Music By Michael Gibbs
1043 Bennie Maupin - The Jewel In The Lotus
1053 Michael Naura - Vanessa
1054JP Richard Beirach - EON
1058JP Steve Kuhn - Ecstasy
1059JP Arild Andersen - Clouds in my head
1082 Arild Andersen - Shimri
1094 Steve Kuhn and Ecstasy - Motility
1127 Arild Andersen Quartet - Green Shading Into Blue
1159 Steve Kuhn/Sheila Jordan Band - Playground
1162 Sam Rivers - Contrasts
1178 Barre Phillips - Music By...
1188 Arild Andersen - Lifelines
1199 Katrina Krimsky/Trevor Watts - Stella Malu
1206 Gallery
1221 Adelhard Roidinger - Schattseite
1225 Dewey Redman - The struggle continous
1226 Gary Burton - Picture This
1237 Pirchner-Pepl-DeJohnette
1257 Barre Philips - Call me when you get there
1264 Alfred Harth - This earth
1268 Lask - Sucht und Ordnung

The Dauner, Kenyatta & the early Arilds I have come across in MP3 format recently (already had the AA on vinyl). 'Output' is a killer, albeit not really in step with what ECM has since turned into.

I agree with the poster who suggested Jack's 'Inflation Blues', a cracking date of which I only have a tape of my local library's crackly LP. Ditto 'Call Me When You Get There', a magic session.

RHFusillo · April-17th-2007, 08:47 PM

Have they ever released Steve Kuhn's Last Year's Waltz on CD? I have never seen it. One of my favorite Sheila Jordan recordings.

Simon Fay · May-20th-2007, 02:47 PM

"Have they ever released Steve Kuhn's Last Year's Waltz on CD? I have never seen it. One of my favorite Sheila Jordan recordings"

ECM keeps hinting at some multi-disc package of SK's run of OOP stuff but so far no sign.

BrianL1 · May-20th-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Fay

"Have they ever released Steve Kuhn's Last Year's Waltz on CD? I have never seen it. One of my favorite Sheila Jordan recordings"

ECM keeps hinting at some multi-disc package of SK's run of OOP stuff but so far no sign.

Hmmm. So how does ECM go about hinting at things? We need a Manfred blog!

(I did like the 3 disc Azimuth package... They should do the same for this missing Abercrombie Quartet discs)

Simon Fay · May-21st-2007, 04:43 PM

Brian

I seem to recall that last time SK released a new date on ECM (wasn't there some kind of follow-up to 'The October Suite' a couple of years ago?) the blurb on ecm.com suggested something to the multidisc effect

SF

lpgeffen · August-10th-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzgregg

I'm assuming most of you have seen this OOP ECM page? How up to date is it?
G

The out-of-print ECM pages on trovar.com were last updated in November/December 2006. Some titles have been reissued since then.

- Paul

Bill Barton · September-16th-2007, 10:42 PM

Marion Brown - Afternoon of a Georgia Faun

Nefertiti · October-1st-2007, 05:54 AM

Another ECM recording not available on CD is the 4th side of the Terje Rypdal "Odyssey" 2LP set, the 24 minute track "Rolling Stone". It was removed for the 1CD reissue.

http://www.discogs.com/release/655424
http://wc08.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?...0:kxfoxqtgldde

Clay Fink · October-1st-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Barton

Marion Brown - Afternoon of a Georgia Faun

That one was reissued. I've got it. I don't know if it's still in print, though.

Bill Barton · October-11th-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Clay Fink

That one was reissued. I've got it. I don't know if it's still in print, though.

Clay,

Is it a Japanese ECM reissue? I've seen it listed on eBay used for a rather hefty price tag, but don't think they've done a "domestic" issue. I may be wrong... Just asked Steve over on the "Ask ECM" thread. Thanks for the response.