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Old March-9th-2007, 09:02 AM   #1
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Sex is not a sport?

Bishop's take on sexuality ignites debate
'Sex is not a sport,' one critic argues

MICHAEL VALPY

From Friday's Globe and Mail

An Anglican bishop's call for a new theology of human sexuality would require a shift rivalling the Reformation in size to move Christianity away from the shadow of patriarchy and the too-narrow view of the human person, several theologians said yesterday.

Bishop Michael Ingham of B.C.'s New Westminster diocese told a church conference in Ottawa this week that the church's opposition to birth control, abortion, masturbation and homosexuality is morally groundless because its traditional teaching that sex is reserved for procreation is wrong.

"If we believe that we are created in the image of God, that we carry in our very selves the icon of God's own self in our earthly existence, then we must be able to say that our sexuality is not an accident, not a mistake and not simply a tool for the making of babies -- presumably God, in his infinite wisdom, could have devised a much less potent and complicated way of regenerating the species if the purpose of sex was simply that," he said.

Charles McVety, president of Toronto's evangelical Canada Christian College, talked about a huge and growing chasm between Christians who see the Bible as allegorical and those who see it as the teaching of God. He called the bishop's remarks whimsical, a passing fancy and a distortion of the Bible.

"Scripture is crystal clear," he said. "Sex is not a sport."

And while the Anglican primate of Canada, Archbishop Andrew Hutchison, said The Globe and Mail had overblown Bishop Ingham's remarks, academic theologians talked about the enormity of the redefinition of the church that the bishop was trying to get at.

Christopher Lind, former director of the Toronto School of Theology, explained that what the bishop is saying is that "sexuality is a lot bigger than genital activity, and that's hard for people to hear because people hear the word sex and they think intercourse.

"The whole culture has a hard time hearing that sex is something spiritual, that it's something bigger than just intercourse. And when we talk about the [church] blessing of same-sex unions, he makes the case that relationships should be judged on the basis of fidelity, trust, values other than the regulation of genital activity.

"He's starting to go into what's the meaning of patriarchy. Patriarchy is a distortion of the gospel [the central Christian teaching], a social sin which the church has to confess. But to correct it is enormously hard to do. We've been living in patriarchy for thousands of years."

It requires a cultural change, Prof. Lind said, comparable in size to the Reformation, the 16th-century movement to reform the church in Western Europe.

He added: "I have said for some years now that the church should actually shut up about sex because the church doesn't know what it's talking about.

"We really have not thought this through."

Richard Leggett, professor of liturgical studies at Vancouver School of Theology, agreed that "to come to grips with the cultural context of [biblical] scriptures will take a Reformation. I think it's been in the works for probably the last hundred years or more as we engage in so-called higher criticisms of the Bible."

And Bishop Victoria Matthews of Edmonton said Bishop Ingham was talking about more than patriarchy, which she called "only one chapter" in the need for a fuller theological understanding of the human person.

"The question is are the other major churches ready to do this or are they going to hide from something that's really a need?

"That is at the heart of the challenge in Michael Ingham's comments.

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Old March-9th-2007, 09:05 AM   #2
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Bishop Michael Ingham of B.C.'s New Westminster diocese told a church conference in Ottawa this week that the church's opposition to birth control, abortion, masturbation and homosexuality is morally groundless because its traditional teaching that sex is reserved for procreation is wrong.
Maybe now in addition to communion wafers they'll also give out french ticklers and bottles of baby oil.
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Old March-9th-2007, 09:31 AM   #3
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Nah, they're just coming up with rationales for priestly diddling.
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An Anglican bishop's call for a new theology of human sexuality would require a shift rivalling the Reformation in size to move Christianity away from the shadow of patriarchy and the too-narrow view of the human person, several theologians said yesterday.

What a clunky sentence.
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Old March-9th-2007, 10:54 AM   #5
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What a clunky sentence.
It's a clunky topic.
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Old March-9th-2007, 10:56 AM   #6
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Yet there's a goal isn't there? A finish line? Which makes it a game which makes it a sport. If it's bigger than that then that is because of the way humans choose to think about it.

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Yet there are trophy women to score with.
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Old March-9th-2007, 11:11 AM   #8
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If it's bigger than that then that is because of the way humans choose to think about it.
I'm not going to touch that one.
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Old March-9th-2007, 11:19 AM   #9
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If it's a sport, then there ought to be televised contests with corporate sponsorship. Great opportunities would arise for body painters to put logos across butt cheeks.
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Old March-9th-2007, 11:21 AM   #10
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"If we believe that we are created in the image of God, that we carry in our very selves the icon of God's own self in our earthly existence, then we must be able to say that our sexuality is not an accident, not a mistake and not simply a tool for the making of babies
In other words, if God wacks off, then why can't we?
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It's more subtle than that. It's "we whack off, so God must too; therefore it is holy."
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Does this mean I have to give my letter back?
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It's more subtle than that. It's "we whack off, so God must too; therefore it is holy."
Therefore, you need some mega-sized Kleenex.
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Therefore, you need some mega-sized Kleenex.
Raincoats and umbrellas usually work well, except when He gets particularly worked up. Then watch out.
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Sex isn't a sport? Has someone told Houston 500?
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Old March-9th-2007, 04:04 PM   #17
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Old March-9th-2007, 08:45 PM   #18
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Yet there's a goal isn't there? A finish line? Which makes it a game which makes it a sport. If it's bigger than that then that is because of the way humans choose to think about it.
Only if you keep score, Tip.
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Old March-9th-2007, 09:14 PM   #19
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I was talking about an orgasm. Isn't that why people have sex?
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Don't be silly. Sex is for procreation, period.
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Old March-9th-2007, 09:21 PM   #21
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That's why I won't have oral sex - it's against my family values.
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I was talking about an orgasm. Isn't that why people have sex?
Um.

How do I answer that without bringing down the certain wrath of this BBS?
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That's why I won't have oral sex - it's against my family values.

I was going to say something really pithy regarding that statement....but then I thought otherwise.
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Old March-9th-2007, 10:30 PM   #24
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Outta enemies, Speak? Just say it. I thought that was why people have sex. But it's not the only reason - they have it to make babies or they will have it to accommodate their partner when one is in the mood just and the other isn't or to be close to someone or to feel loved but I think an orgasm is a good capper to the event anyway. I didn't think that was such a bizarre suggestion.
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OK.

Whatever works for you, Tip'....I'm not going there.
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Old March-9th-2007, 10:38 PM   #26
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Okay, Goodspeak. What do you want me to do here - let me know and I'll do it. Can we start a clean slate or something or what's the deal?

Tell me what you want from me.
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The word orgasm always reminds me of a Tim Kazurinski routine that I can't remember.
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Old March-10th-2007, 12:30 AM   #28
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Okay, Goodspeak. What do you want me to do here - let me know and I'll do it. Can we start a clean slate or something or what's the deal?

Tell me what you want from me.

Just be real with me, OK?


Is that so hard?


I'm not trying to pull anything here...why are you?
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Old March-10th-2007, 01:07 AM   #29
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Sex is not a sport?

depends with who
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Old March-10th-2007, 04:10 AM   #30
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I was talking about an orgasm. Isn't that why people have sex?
We don't need sex for that. I think that it might go a bit deeper.


How deep can you go?

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