Monk w/Rouse recording

Does anyone know the title of a recording that Monk did w/Rouse in San Francisco? [I don't know whether it's a "live" recording or not.]
I heard a cut on radio the other day, Rouse knocked me out(more than usual), and, Monk's playing was quite different from anything that I had heard previously.
The announcer sorta mumbled the title. I don't know if "San Francisco" was actually part of the title or if that is just where it was recorded.

thanks

[hearsay]

Is it live at the Black Hawk? There's a trumpet player on that one too.

[Uli]

It may also be Monk at the IT club. I am not quite sure but I think this was a SF club.


Have heard that just recently for the first time and my reaction was quite similar to yours both iro Monk and Rouse.

[frankpop1]

live at the jazz workshop - possible


san francisco holiday - here's where u can catch some of the noise. that may help
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/....asp?aid=63853

No luck so far, for various reasons. It could have been a compilation, but, I'd like to avoid the compilation route.
Still searching; that was a damn good cut.

[frankpop1]

well my curiosity is peaked. contact the mumbly dj for an answer.

[Pete C]

Originally posted by frankpop1
well my curiosity is peaked.

You mean it's all downhill from here?

Originally posted by frankpop1
well my curiosity is peaked. contact the mumbly dj for an answer.

Yeah.
[I wanted to avoid a long distance phone call, hence the computer. And, the "trails probably dead." They played the tune last week and I've forgotten the exact time.]

[frankpop1]

well, it's worth a try. plus, a lot of stations have email. mostly, they ignore a lot of email, but i find that after a couple tries without a response, a barrage of emails gains their attention or a restraining order. but hell, i paper the bathrooms with them.

Well, I "took a chance" and got MONK Live At The Jazz Workshop
Complete. Although, it's not the cd in topic, I haven't any regrets; except it's just not the particular recording that I had in mind.

I agree, the complete Jazz Workshop recording is worth it's weight in gold. If you really like that one, I highly suggest The Complete Live At The It Club, as well as Monk In Tokyo. All double cd's, all incredible music.

I for one have no clue why so many people were down on Monk's Columbia days. I thought Rouse was the most incredible fit that Monk ever had in ANY of his groups.

[Hans Blix]

"Bright Mississippi"

disc 2, "Live at the Jazz Workshop"

truth



HB

......I for one have no clue why so many people were down on Monk's Columbia days. I thought Rouse was the most incredible fit that Monk ever had in ANY of his groups.

Are you serious(?)! Wait. Seems like I heard something to that effect also. I, for one, thoroughly enjoy Rouse w/Monk.

"Bright Mississippi"...

That is a burner!
dot...dot..dot........dot.dot.dotdot..dot

[john williams]

Originally posted by jazzbluescat
Are you serious(?)! Wait. Seems like I heard something to that effect also. I, for one, thoroughly enjoy Rouse w/Monk.

I agree and will second Scott's vote for the IT Club recording. SF or LA? It doesn't matter its a great set.

However, according to the cover notes on IT Club-
I'm Getting Sentimental Over You/All the Things You Are/Epistrophy from the reissued/complete IT Club were originally miscredited as being performed in SF on the album "Misterioso"CL 2416/CS 9416.

Hope this helps.

[frankpop1]

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im not arguing this neither, but i cant say that i ever heard any of this nature b4. are u saying some critics didnt like rouse?

[shrugs]

I seems to remember some folks here crying out for the Griffin and slamming Rouse. I dig Rouse a lot. Especailly with the tribute band with Lacy et al.

[bluenoter]

Originally posted by shrugs
I seems to remember some folks here crying out for the Griffin and slamming Rouse.

There's some Griffin vs. Rouse discussion (and Riverside vs. Columbia discussion) in this thread in the Archives. I remembered it because I had asked about Rouse/Columbia.

[Sergio Zamora]

I dig Rouse alright (IT CLUB!!), but Misterioso and Thelonious In Action are two of my favorite Monks, and one of the reasons is Griffin.

[shrugs]

I think it got a little deep er on some other threads with people stating they would prefer to not even listen to Rouse.
Myself, I can listen to griff or rouse or trane with Monk. It's all good.

[MRS]

I've wanted to start a "Fuck Those Who Deride Rouse" thread since Jazz Central Station.

[Tanager]

Count me among the Monk w/Rouse fans. I don't understand the anti-Rouse vitriol at all.

.......Myself, I can listen to griff or rouse or trane with Monk. It's all good.

That's a truism.
Damn right.
You can say that again.

[frankpop1]

.......Myself, I can listen to griff or rouse or trane with Monk. It's all good.

Well, as far as critics go, I'm not sure if they were down on Monk's Columbia days because of Rouse neccessarily. Most of them just seemed disappointed in Monk's playing. Saying he had lost his edge, and other such nonsense. But yes, some of them often said things to the effect that Rouse couldn't play, and so on.

Many critics also tried to weakly back up their point about Monk by citing the fact that he didn't write that many new tunes while recording for Columbia.

None of the things I've stated here are worth a shit in my book. Monk was a fucking genius until the day he died, and Rouse is one of the greatest and most underrated tenor players in all of Jazz.

Period.

[Nate Dorward]

To chime in on the last post: yes I think that the objections to Monk's Columbia period went beyond Rouse (though there were certainly objectors to him: I seem to recall Whitney Balliett for instance trashing Rouse's playing in one of his earliest appearances with Monk, the Town Hall Concert). The repertoire got stale, Monk stopped writing tunes for the most part & seemed little interested in delving into his back catalogue beyond the same handful of numbers (though I think it's on the It Club sessions that he at last gives "Brake's Sake" another spin?). I suppose the problem is not Rouse per se but his incredibly lengthy tenure in the band--the intriguing experimentations & frequent shifts of personnel of the period up to the close of the Riverside tenure were set aside mostly, beyond a few one-off big band discs.

That's the case against FWIW, leaving aside questions of Monk's own supposed decline in powers. I don't know Monk's Columbia work well: in fact I only have the Big Band/Quartet augmented CD reissue, though I used to have Monk's Dream, the Pee Wee Russell session & the solo disc on tape. I like the Big Band set a lot, better than the Town Hall set actually, though as with a lot of Monk of this period it has an unchanging pecking order of soloists that leaves the extraordinary band less than fully used (Steve Lacy is present but never gets a solo, for instance). & actually I liked all the other discs I've heard to varying degrees--Monk's Dream especially--& keep meaning to pick up more of this stuff. I kinda like the extra pep Frankie Dunlop gives the work of this period--the usual spacious Monk mid-tempo walk kicked up a notch or two. -- The canard about Monk not writing much is a bit misleading; he'd already slowed down writing much by the end of his Riverside tenure; usually each disc has only one new composition, with reworkings of old material for the rest of the disc.

Great post, Nate. Actually, Monk's Dream, and Criss Cross are my studio faves from the Columbia era. Good call.