Mainstream Hard /Post Bop beachhead !

graypencil · March-21st-2003, 01:43 AM

WEll ..it MIGHT work ...

Just wanted to get a ground floor apartment before Reynolds gets here

moneyp · March-21st-2003, 01:46 AM

Whoo hoo! Fight the power, GP!

graypencil · March-21st-2003, 01:55 AM

Clint and I will grab a corner table ..if anyone else wats to join us ..

moneyp · March-21st-2003, 01:56 AM

So start talkin', kemosabe!

Ron Thorne · March-21st-2003, 05:28 AM

Cannon, Nat, Yusef, Rahsaan, Dizzy and Bill set the stage, among many others. Yeah, I know, some listed here will be relegated to something "lesser" ... 'soul jazz' or something.

Isn't this a cool new-looking forum?

Tom Storer · March-21st-2003, 05:50 AM

Yusef Lateef is someone I've just never much appreciated. I haven't investigated him that much, but I've seen him live and heard one album - an orchestral thing he wrote himself - that I thought was awful. And yet he has a reputation. Recommendations, anyone?

Gromit · March-21st-2003, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Storer
Yusef Lateef is someone I've just never much appreciated. I haven't investigated him that much, but I've seen him live and heard one album - an orchestral thing he wrote himself - that I thought was awful. And yet he has a reputation. Recommendations, anyone?

Tom,

Try his period on Riverside (middle east influence) ,.
"The Eastern Sounds" in quartet with Barry Harris for example .Good one.(1961)

Or "The Centaur and the Phoenix" (He play oboe,flute and argol) Curiosity with Clark Terry ,Curtis Fuller and the young Joe Zawinul on the band (1960)

Ron Thorne · March-21st-2003, 06:26 AM

Sorry, Tom, but unless/until I'm a "Member" here, I have no "credibility", let alone authority. :-)

Yusef Lateef is/was certainly not someone for whom I'd spend an enormous amount of time shouting about, but he is someone I feel was largely ignored, and not always for the right reasons. He had a softer, more gentle side at a time when many others were exhibiting exactly the opposite to listeners to great delight.

I'll be happy to add some suggestions in the next few days.

Tom Storer · March-21st-2003, 08:06 AM

Ron,

Hey - I just noticed that "member" thing. What's that about??

Jim Sangrey · March-21st-2003, 10:08 AM

For a decidedly "non-gentle" Lateef outing, check out his meeting with Ricky Ford on YAL.

Pete C · March-21st-2003, 10:39 AM

I only saw Lateef once, a couple of years ago. The concert was horrendous, but I think that was mostly due to the new age pseudo-world-music muddle created by Lateef's collaborator, Adam Rudolph.

SinginSumo · March-21st-2003, 10:40 AM

Tom - My choices would be:

Live At Pep's
The Blue Yusef Lateef

Happy listening!

Tanager · March-21st-2003, 10:41 AM

Dammit, I've been waiting for a table for an hour, and the damned maitre'd keeps ignoring me.

graypencil · March-21st-2003, 01:12 PM

Just yesterday, I heard a great cut from an apparently new Kenny Garrett album with Terrell Stafford ..great neo /bop stuff, kinda Cannon-ish ..

guess I'll do a search and see if I can find the name of it ..

other dan dat, I'm currently into revisiting the Carla Bley 4X4 group ..wonder sense of humor !

someone get Tanager a seat ...

Kevin Bresnahan · March-21st-2003, 01:30 PM

Lateef's "Live At Pep's" is a good one. I've often been in stores and picked up "Eastern Sounds" but I never "pulled the trigger". I should get that one of these days. His work in Cannonball's bands was pretty nice. I really dig "Dizzy's Business" which was issued in 1993. Excellent recording of the band in full flight.

Seeing Lateef live is not likely to happen for me. WGBH's Stevebop once mentioned that Yusef's strict Muslim faith won't allow him to perform if there is alcohol being served... cuts out all the clubs in Boston that I go to. I've read that he used to perform out in Amherst, MA at UMass where he was/is a prof.

Later,
Kevin

gnhrtg · March-21st-2003, 01:55 PM

The album is called "Standard of Language" (WB Jazz). Kenny Garrett (as, ts), Vernell Brown (piano), Charnes Moffett (bass), Chris Dave (drums) and Eric Harland (drums, on track 9 only). If you do like Kenny Garrett, you will probably enjoy most of the album. I would not say that it's one of his best but in my opinion, it is much better than the previous two.

If you have never heard Kenny and are interested in obtaining an album of his, I do think that there are better places to start. However you are more likely to choose the new album with its allure. So: he has a very "fluid" (in bebop or Cannonball's sense) way of phrasing, he has a certain tone that people like or dislike (so you better at least hear a 30sec sample to see if the tone offends you), and he also has many tricks to play "out" (of the chord progression) and come back without really creating heavy dissonance. Overall, very energetic and jumpy phrases with lots of rhythmic patterns (i.e. different accents, fingerings and timings of the same note).

Gokhan

(The review at allmusic represents for me how a review should not be written. As far as I can tell, half of it is ripped of from the interview with Kenny at jazzonline and the rest includes, what I believe to be, severly misguided statements like "Of his eight recordings for Warner Bros., Standard of Language is by far Kenny Garrett's greatest.")

ADR · March-21st-2003, 01:57 PM

I'm looking forward to hearing the new Garrett album. Sounds like a keeper.

ADR

Tom Storer · March-21st-2003, 05:37 PM

Graypencil said he heard Kenny Garrett with Terrell Stafford. Would that be the new CD, or something else, or was gp having auditory hallucinations?

'Cause I *like* Terrell Stafford. He's into that hard-bop thing, but he does it with great aplomb and feeling, and he's not limited to that--witness Matt Wilson's "Arts and Crafts."

graypencil · March-21st-2003, 09:09 PM

Tom:

Actually, I heard it on the air bnefore the jazz station went all war all the time... I think it is new.

I also really like Vincent Herring ( whos on the Bley 4X4 that I dug outta the pile )

Canuck Don · March-21st-2003, 09:27 PM

I saw Yusef a few times in the early 60's when he was in Cannonball's band.I have some recordings of his but my fav.is the Cannonball Adderley Sextet in New York.1962.
This is one of my fav.recordings in my collection.Like Cannonball says introducing the band ( Yusef plays mean on this one)so true.His solo on the song Gemini is still one of my fav.ten.sax solos of all my jazz collection.If any Yusef recordings to own,,this one is a must own one.Some of his works alone I'm not crazy about ,but his work in Cannonball's band ,I feel was superb playing.

graypencil · March-22nd-2003, 03:40 PM

A bunch of us alter kacher jazzoids were discussing @ breakfast bird/ diz bebop heads and the tunes they were based upon ..

I had a senior moment ( as did all present ) on the name of the bird head based on Indiana ..

it's driving me nuts ..HELP!!!

ffeelingquitegraytodayPencil (:^( .. .. .. ?

gnhrtg · March-22nd-2003, 03:53 PM

Donna Lee, I believe

Gokhan

Jim Sangrey · March-22nd-2003, 03:59 PM

Yep.

Pete C · March-22nd-2003, 04:00 PM

Donna Lee indeed. Supposedly written by Miles and credited to Bird.

graypencil · March-22nd-2003, 04:02 PM

Bingo!!!

molto thanks you guys ..for helping out our aging jazz brain cells ..

we could all SING the damn thing ( sort of ) ,but we couldn't recall the NAME ..

we also almost got ejected from the Dennys where we were having breakfast during the "singing" part ..

Ron Thorne · March-22nd-2003, 04:50 PM

I agree with Canuck Don's assessment of Yusef's playing within Cannonball's group in the early 60's. Great stuff! Also, some of his sides on Impulse and Atlantic were wonderful. Some of his best moments were in the 60's-70's, in my view.

I would love to have been in a nearby booth at that Denny's® restaurant, graypencil.

March-23rd-2003, 05:44 AM

Hey gp, ya think you and Clint could save a place at your table for an old Swing/Original Bebopper to hang out???

Of course I would never sneer at the Horace Silvers, Red Garlands, Hank Mobleys, etc.

;-)

Kevin Bresnahan · March-23rd-2003, 07:06 AM

Speaking of "Donna Lee", what about the version that Nick Brignola & Pepper Adams rip into on the album "Baritone Madness"? What an insane pace they set out at! Damn, I wish that guy who owns the Bee Hive label would license that stuff out for reissue. He sounds like a bit of a loon. Last I heard, he was so plumped up because Clint Eastwood paid him big bucks to license some Johnny Hartman songs (for the "Bridges of Madison County" soundtrack) that he is holding on to the rest of the catalog until he gets his price... or until Fresh Sound starts issuing it. :>)

Later,
Kevin

graypencil · March-23rd-2003, 11:36 AM

In line with mentioning the Brignola/Adams old sides, I was reminded of a version done by the late Rich Mattesons bebop tuba ensemble of the same tune ..( Donna Lee , see? easy as pie now that I've HEARD the name again ?)

..but now I've forgotten what label Mattsons tuba group was on ..

plenty of room Fred .. pull up a stool ..

oops .. I meant ..siddown !

( you can't just say things like I just did to us old guys

)

BTW: where * IS* Reynolds ???

Bill Barton · March-23rd-2003, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Sangrey
For a decidedly "non-gentle" Lateef outing, check out his meeting with Ricky Ford on YAL.

The other two-tenor things on YAL are excellent too, especially the one with Von Freeman.