Oh the hypocrisy

[Uli]

From "The Hindu"

US Deputy Secretary of State Randall L Tobias resigns
New York, April 28 (PTI): US Deputy Secretary of State Randall L Tobias has resigned after confirming to ABC television network that he had been a customer of a Washington, DC, escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution racket.

Tobias, 65, director of US Foreign Assistance and administrator of the US Agency for International Development (USAID), had previously served as the ambassador for the President's Emergency Fund for AIDS Relief, ABC said.

As the Bush administration's so-called and "AIDS czar," Tobias was criticised for emphasising faithfulness and abstinence over condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS.

A State Department press release late yesterday afternoon said only he was leaving for "personal reasons". On Thursday, Tobias told ABC News that he had several times called the "Pamela Martin and Associates" escort service "to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage".

Tobias, who is married, said there had been "no sex", and that recently he had been using another service "with Central Americans" to provide massages.

Tobias' private cell number was among thousands of numbers listed in the telephone records provided to ABC News by Jeane Palfrey, the woman dubbed the "DC Madam", who is facing the federal charges.

In an interview to be broadcast by the network next Friday, Palfrey says she intends to call Tobias and a number of her other prominent DC clients to testify at her trial.

[Brian Olewnick]

Are you implying he preferred zaftig women?

[Gary Sisco]

I'm so sure. Just a massage, hey, and family values! Yeah, that's it!

I loved the Central America crack. Nice.

Another one bites the dust.

[Gary Sisco]

Hilarious.

Seems like none of these nitwits can get it through his head that nothing's secret today. Every bit of information is only a send button away. They drop like flies all around yet none seem to have the ability to learn from experience, one of the only undenyable definitions of intelligence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/us/29escort.html

[Gordon B]

Originally Posted by Uli

Tobias told ABC News that he had several times called the "Pamela Martin and Associates" escort service "to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage".

I had a crush on Pamela when she played Fallon on "Dynasty." Her successor, Emma Samms, wasn't bad, either.

[walto]

Tobias, who is married, said there had been "no sex", and that recently he had been using another service "with Central Americans" to provide massages.

I wonder if he checked their immigration status.

[Gary Sisco]

I guess that's one way to put it.

[Clay Fink]

http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=2481

[Clay Fink]

What's not at all funny about this is that this guy stopped US funded organizations from working with sex workers in poor countries to stop the spread of disease. In other words, this guy has the made the world worse for a hell of a lot of people. What a pig.

The crap about only getting a massage is a real howler. I wonder if he accidentally bought some meth from one of his "Central American" ladies.

[Gary Sisco]

Good joke. Utter bullshit about the HIV status of prostitutes. They are one of the least likely discrete groups of people to carry the virus. Talking pro's, now, not junkies or crack whores.

The photo looks doctored to me, as well. The head doesn't fit on the body in a natural manner.

[Gary Sisco]

I had to howl over that meth business. Hey, there's a drug for a nice, relaxing massage ....

[Clay Fink]

Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

Good joke. Utter bullshit about the HIV status of prostitutes. They are one of the least likely discrete groups of people to carry the virus. Talking pro's, now, not junkies or crack whores.

The photo looks doctored to me, as well. The head doesn't fit on the body in a natural manner.

Note that truck drivers in Africa are a prime source for the spread of HIV. A lot of this due to their use of prostitutes. Your comment about HIV rates in "pros" in the developed world, however, might be more on the mark. Either way, to prohibit people from outreach to likely vectors of STDs is criminal.

WOW! You mean that photo was fake...you got a sharp eye Sisco.

[Gary Sisco]

I don't disagree. I wasn't talking about Africa, though. I was referring to DC and American cities.

I understand the point re the guy's former job. To me, it's just another example of how puritans are often the most hypocritical group of all.

For example, the Church. Of course it stands entirely opposed to child rape. Ahem.

[Tom Storer]

I don't see why this poor man is being accused of hypocrisy. Surely a few innocent massages don't contradict his earnest message of faithfulness and abstinence?

Incidently, the link to "Unconfirmed Sources" goes to an article with a supposed nude photograph of Randall (which could just as well be a photoshop job), saying as well that he has AIDS. Nowhere else on the web is there any mention of his having AIDS, so I suspect it's not true.

(First paragraph is a joke, second is not.)

[Clay Fink]

Originally Posted by Tom Storer

I don't see why this poor man is being accused of hypocrisy. Surely a few innocent massages don't contradict his earnest message of faithfulness and abstinence?

Incidently, the link to "Unconfirmed Sources" goes to an article with a supposed nude photograph of Randall (which could just as well be a photoshop job), saying as well that he has AIDS. Nowhere else on the web is there any mention of his having AIDS, so I suspect it's not true.

(First paragraph is a joke, second is not.)

"Unconfirmed Sources" is an unimpeachable source. How dare you! No wonder Stanley Crouch likes you so much.

[Gary Sisco]

It doesn't just say that he has AIDS. It says *all* of the call girls have AIDS.

[rollhead]

I think she makes a valid point -- why is she the only one arrested in this?

I see a "Bush Administration" economist was also on the list of clients.

No doubt someone who believed in "trickle on" economics, in more ways than one.


D.C. Madam Wants Washington Clients to Testify
April 30, 2007 9:36 AM

Brian Ross, Rhonda Schwartz & Justin Rood Report:

The woman charged in a federal indictment with running a high-class Washington, D.C. call girl service says she plans to call her prominent clients to testify at her trial.

Jeane Palfrey, dubbed the D.C. Madam, says among those she will call to testify are Randall Tobias, who resigned Friday as deputy secretary of state after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of Palfrey's escort service.

Tobias said he "had some gals come over to the condo for a massage" but denied any sex was involved.

Tobias is the second prominent man to be identified as a customer of the Palfrey's "sexual fantasy service." Two weeks ago, Palfrey alleged that military strategist Harlan K. Ullman, creator of the "shock and awe" combat theory and now a scholar with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, was also a customer. Ullman has said that the claim was "beneath the dignity of comment."

Also on Palfrey's list of customers who could be potential witnesses are a Bush administration economist, the head of a conservative think tank, a prominent CEO, several lobbyists and a handful of military officials.

"I'm sure as heck not going to be going to federal prison for one day, let alone, four to eight years, because I'm shy about bringing in the deputy secretary of whatever," Palfrey told ABC News correspondent Brian Ross in an interview to be broadcast Friday on "20/20." "I'll bring in every last one of them in if necessary," she said.

Palfrey is due in federal court Monday morning to ask the judge to replace her current lawyer, a public defender, with a lawyer who she says "will be more aggressive in fighting the government."

The indictment of Palfrey alleges she used more than 100 women over a period of 13 years "for the purpose of engaging in prostitution activity with male clients, including sexual intercourse and oral sex in exchange for money." She made more than $2 million running the operation, known as Pamela Martin and Associates, according to the federal indictment.

Palfrey, who ran the service by phone from her home in Sonoma County, Calif., is the only person charged. None of her male customers is named by the government.

"That's very hypocritical," she says. "Why aren't these people under arrest? Why just me?"

Palfrey claims she ran a legal operation that offered sexual fantasy but not "illegal sex" of the kind described in the indictment.

She says she hopes her prominent clients will testify they did not engage in actual sex when they hired her escorts.

"This was a sexual fantasy service," Palfrey told "20/20." "Occasionally a client would want to go to the Kennedy Center or go to dinner, but generally speaking they went straight to the homes, or they went straight to the hotels," she said.

Palfrey provided ABC News with phone records from her business going back four years.

[Hudson Boy]

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the "john" list to be released - it never happens when these madams are busted.

[rollhead]

Originally Posted by Hudson Boy

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the "john" list to be released - it never happens when these madams are busted.

Yes, H.B., but ABC has the list, too.

[Vince Kargatis]

Ooo, another hypocrite. I guess in this case that his former supporters can no longer count on him (being a dishonest hypocrite and all) to support the administration's positions on the positive efficacy of faithfulness and abstinence.

[shrugs]

do African truck drivers use condoms?
do African whores require them to?

[Hudson Boy]

Originally Posted by rollhead

Yes, H.B., but ABC has the list, too.

They'd lose the whole corporation to slander lawsuits.

[patricia]

Originally Posted by shrugs

do African truck drivers use condoms?
do African whores require them to?

Relevance??

But, since you brought it up, the spread of AIDS in Africa is largely because the men refuse to use condoms and the women, including the married women, are powerless to insist.
The men who are working as truck-drivers apparently habitually hire prostitutes while away from home, and quite often contract AIDS and pass it on to their wives.
There are thousands of orphaned African children who have lost their mothers and fathers to AIDS and are being raised by their grandmothers, because of this foolish, selfish and dangerous situation.

[Tom Storer]

Originally Posted by shrugs

do African truck drivers use condoms?
do African whores require them to?

Not as much as they should. But surely abstinence and faithfulness would be by far the better solution? We wouldn't want to give African truck drivers and prostitutes the WRONG MESSAGE--that promiscuity is OK.

Let us pray.

[Gary Sisco]

Dear, Lord, I'm not talking about hate. I'm talking about eight. Dinner at 8. Let's eat!

[Clay Fink]

Originally Posted by shrugs

do African truck drivers use condoms?

only to plug a radiator leak.

[Gary Sisco]

Isn't it strange that Africa is always referred to as if a country?

"The whole world is Africa ...."

[Dr Dave]

Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

Dear, Lord, I'm not talking about hate. I'm talking about eight. Dinner at 8. Let's eat!

I'm high on the real thing: Powerful gasoline, a clean windshield, and a shoeshine!

[Gary Sisco]

I can tell by the cut of your tie
you're an American
Well, so am I!

Hi, there, brother,
how do you do?
And while we're on the subject
While we're on the subject
while we're on the subject
How's the old wazoo?!

[shrugs]

Originally Posted by patricia

Relevance??

But, since you brought it up, the spread of AIDS in Africa is largely because the men refuse to use condoms and the women, including the married women, are powerless to insist.
The men who are working as truck-drivers apparently habitually hire prostitutes while away from home, and quite often contract AIDS and pass it on to their wives.
There are thousands of orphaned African children who have lost their mothers and fathers to AIDS and are being raised by their grandmothers, because of this foolish, selfish and dangerous situation.

Clay Fink brought it up.