George Bush hates White People

[Coda]

10,000 dead in Kansas according to Obama. No FEMA yet. The National Guard is all in Iraq, no equipment available to help the poor. Do you think that they'll get the same $2K pocket change? How long before they get temporary housing. Oh yeah, we need to wait for the governor to ask for assistance

At least the Bar is still standing.

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[PHILLYQ]

Originally Posted by Coda

10,000 dead in Kansas according to Obama. No FEMA yet. The National Guard is all in Iraq, no equipment available to help the poor. Do you think that they'll get the same $2K pocket change? How long before they get temporary housing. Oh yeah, we need to wait for the governor to ask for assistance

At least the Bar is still standing.

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Obama got his numbers wrong- there's about a dozen dead.

[Coda]

Blame-Bush buffoonery

Tim Schieferecke

Hi, my name is Tim Schieferecke and I'm a native western Kansas farmboy. No, I don't know anyone from Greensburg as I'm from northwest Kansas, but I do know what rural folks from anywhere in Kansas are like. Apparently my current leftist Governor Kathleen Sebelius doesn't though, nor does she comprehend the availability of heavy equipment assets.

It was hard for me to hold my lunch down when I heard her craft an anti-Bush spin on the disaster that befell the good people of Greensburg. Slow recovery? This statement is disingenuous at best but in local lingo better understood as a downright lie.

We need trucks? It seems the good Governor doesn't get out of Topeka much. Western Kansas is wheat country, and where there's wheat there's wheat trucks. Incidentally, they fill in quite nicely for hauling away debris when they aren't filled with grain. Why do they really need Hum-vees in the mix? What can they accomplish that a regular old four wheel drive pick-up can't? Other equipment? You can't spit without hitting a tractor, spit a little harder and you'll hit one that has a handy scoop.

As far as the people go, they are salt of the earth good people, regardless of race, class or creed in the country. Unlike certain areas affected by disaster, the people of Greensburg will take care of their current problems themselves. They will not wait for the government to do this or that, because in the country people still know what it means to be a good neighbor.

Growing up in this environment, I remember time after time the lessons my Dad taught me about being a good neighbor. Neighbors in the country take care of each other. From helping a neighbor get cattle back in to helping harvest his wheat if he was ill, neighbors in the country do whatever they can for each other as well as for anyone who happens to have a vehicle breakdown while passing through. So it will be with Greensburg.

Also, I'd like the Governor to explain just how many National Guard troops it takes to seal off a little town of 1500 from looters? The good Governor points out plainly opportunistically that 40% of all troops overseas are National Guard. Now, assuming that 40% of Kansas troops are engaged elsewhere (that's 3,200 of approximately 8,000 total, there are an estimated 4,800 troops available). To guard a town of 1,500? Do they have that many down on the border? That sounds like overkill to me!

It is beyond me how these libs spin everything towards making our good President guilty of this or that. How is it that President Bush has anything at all to do with a slow response to the catastrophe? How could ANYTHING have been done differently. Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush created global warming by colluding with big oil, that created the perfect F-5 tornado, and if only he had signed Kyoto this tragedy never would have happened. Give me a break!

[JamesH]

A more appropriate title would be George Bush hates poor people.

To Bush the levees breaking in New Orleans was nothing more than an investment opportunity.

[Dr Dave]

Of course, all right-thinking Kansans are already on the way with their wheat trucks to pick up debris.

[Scott Dolan]

People throughout a state (or region) really tend to pull together in a rather amazing way when things like this happen.

So maybe they are.

[moneyp]

Thankfully, Jorge likes Mexicans, so I'm cool. Arriba.

[shrugs]

Coda,

come on down and have a drink in the Ninth ward with me. Lower or Upper.

You choose.

Or lets go to Pidgeon Town.


Or Hollygrove.


Or Gert town.

[Paul B]

And when he's done in New Orleans, he can head to Iraq. After all, we're winning over there, and even John McCain can take an afternoon stroll with no problems.

[Gary Sisco]

Yeah, with no problems except fitting himself with body armor while walking around bare headed. Clearly, he was a pilot, not a grunt....

I've noticed through the years that pols seem to refuse to wear hats (never mind helmets) when cameras are around, whatever the weather. TV reporters, too. A good sniper well concealed could have rendered his infantry protection and air cover moot. His brain would have been removed before the sound arrived to be heard.

That was a move on his part that did little to raise him in my expectations. In its own way, it was as silly a performance as Dukakas' tank ride. I'm surprised his escorts allowed it, actually.

[RBS]

Coda,

You post this antagonistic nonsense and then get upset when people give you a hard time.

What gives?

[rollhead]

Originally Posted by JamesH

A more appropriate title would be George Bush hates poor people.

To Bush the levees breaking in New Orleans was nothing more than an investment opportunity.

Well said.

[Coda]

Where am I upset? If you attack me personally I do get upset, but that's it. I've certainly not been upset at all on this thread.

I post this to show how hypocritical most folks are on this type of issue. Why isn't Al Sharpton using the same rhetoric for those in Kansas as he did in New Orleans? Why is this not a media worthy or Jazz Corner worthy topic of conversation?

I'm sure it would take very little effort to pull up the Katrina thread to contrast the dialog there to the lack of dialog on this Tornado.

For that matter, where is the outrage against Sharpie for what he said about Romney's faith? Lets compare the Imus thread to...wait..there is no thread to compare that to.

So RBS, what looks like nonsense to you confirms to me that you're not interested in correcting the countries problems. Your interest rests with getting the republican party out of power, nothing more. You really don't care about the consequences to our nation or the underlying cause.

So I ask you, do you care about these people in Kansas as much as you do the people in New Orleans?

[RBS]

Originally Posted by Coda

Where am I upset? If you attack me personally I do get upset, but that's it. I've certainly not been upset at all on this thread.

I post this to show how hypocritical most folks are on this type of issue. Why isn't Al Sharpton using the same rhetoric for those in Kansas as he did in New Orleans? Why is this not a media worthy or Jazz Corner worthy topic of conversation?

I'm sure it would take very little effort to pull up the Katrina thread to contrast the dialog there to the lack of dialog on this Tornado.

For that matter, where is the outrage against Sharpie for what he said about Romney's faith? Lets compare the Imus thread to...wait..there is no thread to compare that to.

So RBS, what looks like nonsense to you confirms to me that you're not interested in correcting the countries problems. Your interest rests with getting the republican party out of power, nothing more. You really don't care about the consequences to our nation or the underlying cause.

So I ask you, do you care about these people in Kansas as much as you do the people in New Orleans?

That's a really big jump, Codal I am not interested in correcting the country's problems?

Al Sharpton is not someone I hold in high regard. I do care about our country's problems. And as for the people of Kansas, sure. I care about them like I do the people of New Orleans. So now what?

Jeez.

I just think Bush is the worst president in history and he's been aided and abetted by a bunch of lockstep right-wing nutjobs. I have less of a problem with moderate Republicans (like the ones who put it to Bush in yesterday's meeting) but ..... ah, hell. Why bother arguing politics?

I gotta go have lunch.

[Scott Dolan]

http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/...ornadoaerials/

[Coda]

RBS, he's a couple more examples to help bring my point home.

1. Rush Limbaugh



Image is a link to the story.


2. Free Speech Fracas: Joke Describes Violent Sex Assault of Condoleeza Rice

05-10-2007 9:44 am - Source: Opie and Anthony Program

Warning: Extremely Vulgar Language. XM Shock Jocks Opie and Anthony engage in discussion about forced sex with the Secretary of State. A studio guest, Homeless Charlie, begins describing the scenario as the hosts laugh and encourage him. Anthony talks about the horror for Rice as the guest is "holding her down" and assaulting her. They invite Charlie to be a regular guest.

The video link seems to be down at the moment.


Selective outrage?

[RBS]

Thanks, Scott.

You can't really compare tragedies. New Orleans. Kansas. Bad stuff, no matter which way you cut it.

[Scott Dolan]

Originally Posted by Coda

2. Free Speech Fracas: Joke Describes Violent Sex Assault of Condoleeza Rice

This is not a free speech issue.

[Scott Dolan]

Originally Posted by RBS

Thanks, Scott.

You can't really compare tragedies. New Orleans. Kansas. Bad stuff, no matter which way you cut it.

No, you can't compare the two. But Coda does have a point to a certain extent. The sexier the city, and the higher the name recognition, the higher the level of outrage/grief/media coverage.

I've seen this dynamic play out several times throughout my life. Ask anybody to name where Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina made landfall and I'd be willing to bet 9.9 out of ten wouldn't have the slightest clue.

[Sandi22]

Hate anyone, white or black? Hardly. It's those in need who he hasn't a lick of compassion for; not until standing face to face with them, and then he will cry compassionate tears, wring his hands, hug them, and give them his sincerest thoughts - which at the moment, are good and real - however, with him, it's seemingly like this, it's the old saying, the old way of being: "Out of sight, out of mind". With GW Bush, after walking ten feet away, their plight ceases to be even a distant memory.

[Clay Fink]

I hate white people too. Even James H.

[RBS]

Originally Posted by Coda

RBS, he's a couple more examples to help bring my point home.

1. Rush Limbaugh



Image is a link to the story.


2. Free Speech Fracas: Joke Describes Violent Sex Assault of Condoleeza Rice

05-10-2007 9:44 am - Source: Opie and Anthony Program

Warning: Extremely Vulgar Language. XM Shock Jocks Opie and Anthony engage in discussion about forced sex with the Secretary of State. A studio guest, Homeless Charlie, begins describing the scenario as the hosts laugh and encourage him. Anthony talks about the horror for Rice as the guest is "holding her down" and assaulting her. They invite Charlie to be a regular guest.

The video link seems to be down at the moment.


Selective outrage?

Rush Limbaugh is a liar who's found out a great way to make a lot of money. I'm not going to justify what those other two clowns did.

[rollhead]

Originally Posted by Sandi22

Hate anyone, white or black? Hardly. It's those in need who he hasn't a lick of compassion for; not until standing face to face with them, and then he will cry compassionate tears, wring his hands, hug them, and give them his sincerest thoughts - which at the moment, are good and real - however, with him, it's seemingly like this, it's the old saying, the old way of being: "Out of sight, out of mind". With GW Bush, after walking ten feet away, their plight ceases to be even a distant memory.

Huh? You think this guy has an ounce of sincerity?

Bullshit.

[rollhead]

Originally Posted by RBS

Rush Limbaugh is a liar who's found out a great way to make a lot of money. I'm not going to justify what those other two clowns did.

You left out the part about being a hate monger.

[rollhead]

Originally Posted by Clay Fink

I hate white people too. Even James H.

NO. Really? Is JamesH our own Baraka Obama?

[RBS]

After some time away from this thread, I think I understand what Coda is getting at.

My apologies for being a bit antagonistic myself.

I don't agree with your point, though. However, I don't think there's much comparison between New Orleans and this part of Kansas.

[Coda]

No problem RBS.

Here is another example:

Did Howard Dean order KS gov to lie about FEMA’s response to the Greensburg tornado?
posted at 6:44 pm on May 10, 2007 by Bryan
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XM Radio’s Quinn & Rose made the allegation that DNC Chairman Howard Dean called Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius early Sunday morning and instructed her not to request federal assistance in recovery from the Greensburg tornado, and to lie about the federal response to date, on their show, The War Room, today. After I discussed the story via phone with both Quinn and Rose today, here’s what they sent me.

PLEASE NOTE: The following is information we have received from a reliable source. We have never been misinformed by this person in the past.

It seems that, on Sunday, a few hours after Kansas Governor, Kathleen Sebelius, made her remarks about Bush sending all their National Guard Members and Resources to Iraq, she made a call to Brownback

Sebelius, was calling to apologize to the Senator for making the Political statements that she did. She explained that she did not believe them and that they actually had too many National Guardsmen show up.

Governor Sebelius explained “Sam, you know how political everything is right now and we’re not allowed to let an opportunity like this just pass.” She continued “I made sure not to blame you or Pat (Senator Roberts?) or anybody outside the White House. With his (Bush’s) numbers, you can’t really blame me for usin’ that.”

Then Sebelius explained the path to her comments. After Brownback told her that he was very disappointed in her, She pleaded “You know me Sam, I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t have to.” She declared “Howard (Dean) called me around 5 o’clock (in the morning) and told me not to ask The White House for any help or make any statements until I heard back. Dick (Durban?) called me an hour or 2 later and that’s when he told me we needed to use this ‘n’ said to talk about the Guard all bein’ at war.”

She then explained the thinking; “Speaker and Harry got so much heat on them from both sides over this damn war, ‘n’ they need to get the press on somethin’ else. I didn’t think it was right to use it like this either, but I didn’t see’s I had much choice in this climate, Sam.”

She the[n] apologized a few more times and promised that she’d try to move away from the comment when she and Brownback were to meet up later and tour the damage, but she had to so it without disappointing Dean and Pelosi.

I asked them to characterize their source, and they replied that she or he would be in a position to have knowledge of the conversation between Sen. Brownback and Gov. Sebelius and has never misinformed them before. Sean Hannity has called Sen. Brownback’s office to either verify or debunk the story, but so far the senator has done neither. There is word that the senator may attempt a “limited hangout” strategy this weekend, in which he acknowledges that the conversation took place but won’t remember the Dean angle. Such a strategy, if that’s what Sen. Brownback does, might be an attempt to maintain comity in what has until now been by all accounts a smooth relationship between the Democratic governor and Republican officials in Kansas. Comity shouldn’t come at the price of truth, however.

At this point, I have no way of verifying whether DNC Chairman Howard Dean called Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius and instructed her to lie about the federal response to Friday’s devastating tornado. But I will make some calls and see what I can find out. Quinn & Rose’s story does fit the timeline and does fit the Democrat M.O. of late, in which they find a way to blame every single thing under the sun on Bush and on the war in Iraq. Other Democrat governors have pre-emptively blamed the lack of response to disasters that haven’t even happened yet on Bush and the war in Iraq. So on its face the story strikes me as very plausible.

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[Tom Storer]

I think we have two issues here: one, how does New Orleans compare to Kansas, both tragedy-wise and response-wise? Two, are the Dems being unscrupulous political hypocrites?

For the first question, I have no idea and will let more knowledgeable people argue about it. For the second question, the jury is out, but if it's true, who will be surprised?

Generally, when political discussions veer into indignant accusations of hypocrisy, you can switch the channel or jump thread. Of course there's hypocrisy! And on both sides of any issue. This is politics!

[Coda]

My point on the Rush Limbaugh link was not - as Rollhead claims - about Rush. It is about the political atmosphere. Why would elected officials cheer the defacing of this billboard? Rush isn't even a politician - he's a radio talk show host.

[Sandi22]

Originally Posted by rollhead

Huh? You think this guy has an ounce of sincerity?

Bullshit.

For fleeting moments, perhaps he does, of course it's photo op time, but for a minute or two he lets a bit of humanity creep in, or so it seems, as he isn't that good of an actor. Tears, and other shows of compassion? Even though I knew he had no plans whatsover of making their plight better. He doesn't have that much compassion. GW came by these traits honestly though, remember how Barbara Bush responded to the crowded sports dome in Texas?