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Old August-5th-2003, 09:34 AM   #1
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More on Kobe Bryant

From ESPN.com:

EAGLE, Colo. -- Bobby Pietrack, a bellman at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, told police that he saw his 19-year-old co-worker shortly after she left Kobe Bryant's room on the night of the alleged sexual assualt, ESPN's Shelley Smith reported Monday.

Pietrack reportedly told police that the woman was visibly upset, disheveled and had red marks on her neck and face, according to Smith.

Sources close to the investigation say Pietrack is considered the first link in the chain of what is called "immediate outcry," meaning he is the first person the alleged victim cried out to immediately following the alleged incident.

The alleged victim went to police the following day, approximately 13 hours after the alleged assault. Sources also said that photos taken of her at that point show the marks. Those photos are considered part of the prosecution's evidence.

Pietrack has not spoken to reporters and has declined repeated requests by ESPN.

Bryant is scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing on Wednesday at the Eagle County Justice Center at approximately 6 p.m. ET. Bryant will be read the charges against him and may enter a plea.



I usually try not to pay attention to this kind of media hype, but violence against women by men is a real problem in our society, particularly with athletes, who are coddled and think they can get away with it because of their star treatment. Yeah, he's innocent until proven guilty, but this doesn't sound too good, does it?

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Old August-5th-2003, 09:36 AM   #2
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"...this doesn't sound too good, does it?"

I, for one, am perfectly content to let Goody be the judge of that.
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Old August-5th-2003, 10:10 AM   #3
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Goody knows best.

Just let me suggest that if there weren't any women, there wouldn't be any sexual assaults against females so what does that tell you?


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Old August-5th-2003, 10:13 AM   #4
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Oh no!


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Old August-5th-2003, 08:30 PM   #5
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Pete, man sometimes you are just not funny!

Leave the jokes to Goody!

RBS,

No this doesn't sound good, if its true. Are there WMD's is Iraq? I forgot, didn't the media report that too?

Its probably the aliens.....
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Old August-5th-2003, 08:53 PM   #6
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At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001.

I usually try not to pay attention to this media hype, but violence against women by men is a real problem in society, particularly with dictators, who are coddled and think they can get away with it because of the support of peaceniks worldwide. This doesn't sound too good either, eh Ron?

Oops, Bo got me off the original subject................

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Old August-5th-2003, 08:59 PM   #7
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Well Kobe may have forcibly raped the woman, but he didn't behead hundreds. ANd, if she was dumb to go to his room ,doesn't that clear him? To give a parallel, if someone is murdered late at night in a really dangerous area, you can't blame the murderer because the victim was, like, sooooo totally stupid to be there and then

That said, this piece of evidence, if accurate, seems meaning ful. But we never seem to learn that you really can't judge the nature or quality or quantity of the real evidence based on what is leaked in the press before a trial.

So, he seems like a nice guy.

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Old August-5th-2003, 08:59 PM   #8
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This doesn't sound too good either, eh Ron?
Huh?

Oh, as long as I'm here, I'm not in favor of the beheading of women, but I kinda like peace and stuff.
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Old August-5th-2003, 09:03 PM   #9
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Women, you can't live with them,
You can't behead hundreds of them.
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Old August-5th-2003, 09:57 PM   #10
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I have all the confidence in the world that, with his money and our fine judicial system, he'll get off with probation.
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Old August-5th-2003, 11:36 PM   #11
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Well, if Kobe had such a squeaky clean image, isn't it possible the girl went up there trusting the dude? Just playing devil's advocate.

And I don't care, if she did go up there, and she said "no," and he forced himself on her, then he's guilty of the crime.

If Rosanne Arquette asked me up to her room at 3am, I'd go. Doesn't mean she'd want to have sex with me. Maybe she just wanted a delivery of donuts.
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Old August-6th-2003, 12:01 AM   #12
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I gotcher donut-BADA BING!!!
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Old August-6th-2003, 01:28 AM   #13
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If Rosanne Arquette asked me up to her room at 3am, I'd go. Doesn't mean she'd want to have sex with me. Maybe she just wanted a delivery of donuts.
Yeah, right. Pee-Pee Ring Toss isn't exactly a completely innocent concept, either, pal. "Delivery" is the operative word here, folks.
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Old August-6th-2003, 05:24 AM   #14
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How about that Mark Cuban! Makes guys like Ted Turner look almost classy.

>>"From a business perspective, the UNFORTUNATE REALITY is that in this country notoriety sells. You only need to look at Mike Tyson as the No. 1 draw in boxing as proof. I went back and tried to find examples in the entertainment business where it hurt. I couldn't." <<


Actually, if you heard the newscast itself, Cuban couldn't quite pronounce "notoriety," and after a few tries told the reporters "you know the word I mean."


>>NBA commissioner David Stern criticized Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban on Tuesday after Cuban said the league can't help but benefit financially from the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case.
"Any suggestion that there will be some economic or promotional benefit to the NBA arising from the charge pending against Kobe Bryant is both misinformed and unseemly," Stern said in a statement issued by the league office.<<

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As far as how late a woman can legally say "No" -- apparently all states agree that she can say "No" before penetration, regardless of what has preceded that, but only some states empower her to say "No" following penetration.

>>Saying yes, then no: Bryant case enters national debate

Consent may be central focus in accused NBA star's case

By Matt Bean
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Tuesday, August 5, 2003 Posted: 4:00 PM EDT (2000 GMT)

(Court TV) -- That question is likely to be the central issue in the looming trial of NBA star Kobe Bryant. The_19-year-old hotel_employee who has accused Bryant of_sexual assault claims_the two started "fooling around" in the basketball star's_Eagle, Colorado, hotel room_until she asked him to stop, according to published reports.

If the reports are true, Bryant's case will_speak_directly to_an ongoing_debate_over the way sexual_assault_is addressed in the nation's courts._At issue: how and when does a woman's_"no"_turn consensual_sex into_rape?_

"If I invite you into my house and I ask you to come in for an hour and then I change my mind and ask you to leave, you gotta leave," said Wendy Murphy, a former Boston prosecutor and director of the Victim Advocacy_& Research Group._ "If it's not my house but my body instead, it's an even more compelling argument."

While withdrawal of consent_-- saying no after initially saying yes_-- may seem simple in principle, states have taken divergent approaches_to_its use_in the courtroom._

Illinois_recently became the first state to_officially address_the withdrawal of consent by amending its rape law to include sexual activity after either party says "no."_

Lawmakers there said the move was in reaction to a precedent-setting California rape conviction that_was ultimately upheld by_the state's Supreme Court._In that case, two 17-year-olds were having sex at a party when the girl changed her mind during intercourse._The boy continued, and he was charged and convicted of sexual assault.

The_Colorado state statutes_hold no such provision for a change of mind as in Illinois, and according to one former prosecutor, make it difficult to convict if the initial penetration is consensual.

"Penetration is the key. Up until the point of penetration, no means no," said Norm Early._According to Early, withdrawing consent after penetration complicates a case because of the initial consent.

But to victims rights advocates, the distinction continues the dangerous practice of focusing on the victim's complicity.

"The shift in law has been to treat sexual assault as a crime of violence and to try to move the emphasis away from the victim and what she was doing or not doing and toward the suspect, and what he was doing," said Cassia Spohn, a criminal justice professor at the University of Omaha and co-author of the 1992 book "Rape Law Reform."

Making a specific_provision_for withdrawal of consent, such as in the_Illinois law, goes too far, according to victims rights advocate Murphy.

"You shouldn't have to codify basic principles of human rights, which is what rape laws are all about," she said._"You should never put it into_legislation that people have a right to change their mind."

In prosecuting Bryant, Eagle County attorneys are expected to argue that, before penetration, the victim revoked her consent.

Former prosecutor Early called the alleged victim's change of heart a "hurdle, but obviously [prosecutors] don't feel that it's a fatal hurdle."

Ultimately, the question of when and how the victim's consent was revoked is less important than whether her story rings true, says Craig Silverman, a Colorado defense lawyer and former Denver prosecutor._ "If you ask me whether it's rape if a woman agrees to some sexual activity and then says no," said Silverman,_"that depends on what any particular Colorado jury says on the subject." <<
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Old August-6th-2003, 07:42 AM   #15
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"If Rosanne Arquette asked me up to her room at 3am, I'd go. Doesn't mean she'd want to have sex with me. Maybe she just wanted a delivery of donuts."


That's a terrible example, RBS. Everybody knows that Rosanne Arquette has been after you for years!
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Old August-6th-2003, 11:37 AM   #16
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Sorry, Walter. You're right about that. It's been
hard to turn her down, but what's a guy gonna do?
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Old August-6th-2003, 11:42 AM   #17
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As a lawyer i am very much intrigued on how the "you can change your mind anytime" dogma would be applied to premature ejaculators.

Stop snoring!
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Old August-6th-2003, 04:59 PM   #18
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Oooooooo.... I would like to take Rosanna and Patricia Arquette back to my place sometime.....and no doubt I would be a perfect gentleman.

Good article about Kobe's life in the LA Times sports section today. The more I learn about him, the more I think he has a lot of growing up to do. He has concealed himself from the world in an attempt to be an adult, but he's never actually been in situations to test himself in the real world, outside of basketball. He's definitely a coddled, secluded person..... Child actors and Michael Jackson come to mind. Its a very weird existence for a child who hasn't had time to find himself.....
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Oooooooo.... I would like to take Rosanna and Patricia Arquette back to my place sometime.....and no doubt I would be a perfect gentleman.
You might consider taking them to the Mount Idy Motor Inn.



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That IS a good article on Kobe in the LA Times.

Since the trial may not occur until after the entire 2003-2004 season, I wonder what kind of reception Kobe will find on his road games. Or even home games -- hell, I remember watching Bernard King, in Oakland, playing for the Warriors, being taunted by a "fan" who yelled "State Pen" every time Bernard went up for a shot.
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Old August-8th-2003, 01:38 PM   #21
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Can someone please either post the article from the LA Times or give me a short synopsis?
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For some unknown reason, we had the Teen Choice Awards on our TV the other night. It was surreal to see Bryant promo'ed, and then the big ovation when he won an award. It felt entirely wrong, regardless of how the case turns out.
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Here you go, RBS.

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August 6, 2003

MARK HEISLER / ON THE NBA

A Life Not Ordinary

Kobe Bryant always set his goals high, and things were going according to plan, until they went wrong in Colorado.
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Kobe Bryant had a stock answer when friends — and teammates and parents — asked why he wanted to get engaged at 21, to a girl he'd met when she was 17 and still in high school:

"I do everything young."

Fortunately or not for him, it was true, extending to his fall from grace.

He once said he knew what he was going to do in life when he was 5 years old, and when asked if he were serious, insisted it was true. Of course, he was right there too. He was a multimillionaire NBA superstar with three championship rings before he turned 24, but, as he was about to learn, for him, the basketball would always be the easy part.

Nothing in what follows should be read as an attempt to prejudge Bryant's legal case. This is an attempt to understand how he got to the scandalous place he acknowledged last month, so far off the path he'd chosen so early and traveled so faithfully. Of course, everything came so fast, he thought that was how things worked. How was he supposed to know that life was so much trickier than basketball?

In his case, golden child that he was, if he dreamed of ruling the game, it wasn't fantasy, merely audacity. His breathtaking talent and advanced skill level were only the start. He had uncommon, grown-up attributes, poise and focus.

People always mistook that part for maturity, but away from the game, he was your basic teenager. When he went pro at 17, the Lakers' Jerry West brought Bryant home after a pre-draft workout. Kobe hung out with West's teenage son. That's when it struck West that this was a new era.

Bryant was a young 17, at that. Kevin Garnett, who had preceded him from high school to the pros by a year, was from a broken home, had moved to Chicago for his senior year and was already the head of his household that included a younger sister. Bryant still lived at home with his mom and dad, even if Pam and Joe had to move the household from Philadelphia to accommodate his new career.

The Bryants were a warm, values-preaching family, drawn even closer from their time abroad when Joe played in Italy. Both older sisters went to college and with his 1,100 SAT score, Kobe could have gone just about anywhere. Kobe was their darling, the youngest, cutest and most precocious, emerging with so much self-confidence, he seemed bulletproof. Nothing in the game could scare or discourage him, not even failure (his four airballs in Utah at the end of his rookie season) or Shaquille O'Neal (whom he tried to fight in a 1999 practice before teammates jumped between them).

If Bryant was unstoppable, his parents weren't about to keep him from following his dream, but they were coming with him. Not that it ever occurred to him that they wouldn't.

They set strict rules for him too. Kobe would not be seduced by the fast-lane lifestyle, or as Pam had characterized it, back in his prep days when his parents still talked to the press, "drugs, alcohol and fast women."

Pam knew about the lifestyle. As a young bride, she had endured the embarrassment of seeing Joe, coming off his rookie season with the Philadelphia 76ers, arrested for leading police on a late-night, high-speed chase before crashing into a wall, with a female companion and two vials of cocaine in his car.

Pam was there with their 10-week-old daughter, Sharia, when Joe was found not guilty, after a parade of character witnesses had testified on his behalf, among them 76er coaches, players and owner Irv Kosloff. At one point, the judge whimsically inquired whether any Boston Celtics would be testifying.

Once in L.A., Bryant didn't hang with the other Lakers, or go to clubs, and all but ran the other way when approached by girls. As he told Rolling Stone, "Basketball is my girlfriend."

On the road, he'd be in his hotel room, on the phone with high school friends like Anthony Bannister, his partner in a "spiritual rap" group. (Bryant was "Kobe One Kenobe the Eighth.") Bannister told the magazine that before they hung up, they would pray together.

Bryant overwhelmed older NBA players from the start, but they had something he didn't too.

"Nobody was going to listen to him when he was 18, 19 years old," teammate Brian Shaw once told Sports Illustrated. "He didn't have enough NBA experience or even life experience. We all had wives and kids and he hadn't even gone to college."

Bryant had that ahead of him. It all happened on the Lakers' time and, if not out in the open, close enough that you could track it.

Now You Saw Him, Now You Didn't

It's true, hardly anybody knows Bryant very well. But I know him a little, at least.

I came here too from Philadelphia, where I covered Joe in his first three seasons. He was one of the young guys with Darryl Dawkins and Lloyd (soon to become World B.) Free, on a madcap team with Julius Erving and George McGinnis.

As young players, they all wanted to play more, leading Dawkins to tell me he wanted to be traded. Free liked the resulting story so much, he said he wanted one, so I set about doing it. Before I could get it in, the third musketeer, Joe, asked for one too. I told him I'd be happy to oblige, but he'd have to take a number.

In the convivial world of Philly hoops, I knew Joe's father, Big Joe, from the summer Baker League. I remember the tall, striking Pam Cox in her college days in the Palestra, watching her boyfriend, Jelly Bean, play for LaSalle, and her brother, Chubby, play for Villanova. I was friendly with LaSalle Coach Paul Westhead and Joe's lawyer, Richie Phillips.

I saw Joe again at the 1995 Adidas camp, where Kobe, a rising junior at Lower Merion High on the suburban Main Line, was dominating everyone. I met Kobe the following spring in a Chicago hotel, where he was attending the NBA's pre-draft camp, standing by himself on the mezzanine, looking pensively down into the lobby.

I introduced myself. He said he was about to go to Los Angeles to work out for the Lakers and Clippers. He looked like a lonely kid a long way from home.

In later years — it took a couple to get through his reserve — we became friendly enough to talk off the record. From a distance, he looked like a grown-up. Up close, you realized how young he was.

I once told his agent, Arn Tellem, still another Philly guy, "I feel like he's my kid."

"Don't we all," Tellem said.

Kobe had a special bond with Joe and was drawn to father figures. As distant as he was with other teammates, Bryant was close to Byron Scott as a rookie and Derek Harper after Scott had left. Bryant called Michael Jordan on at least one occasion and on another, telephoned Tex Winter when he was still in Chicago.

Most young players were indifferent to the game's lore and craft; Bryant was just the opposite, pestering his mentors to tell him about everything.

The Lakers thought if Bryant was stubborn, he was being influenced by his father, a not uncommon problem, although one that was usually worked out by the time players turned pro. In fact, Kobe's determination was more like Pam's. Even as a grown-up, the light-hearted Joe was known by his childhood nickname, Jelly Bean.

Kobe had Joe's grace and his elfin looks, but Kobe was as serious as a heart attack. As a rueful Del Harris, who'd coached the father in Houston in the '70s and the son in the '90s, said after he was fired by the Lakers:

"I can't imagine anyone calling Kobe Jelly Bean."

His name was actually Kobe Bean Bryant, a wry allusion to the father's nickname. If their family life was different, it seemed not just privileged but idyllic.

Two years into Bryant's Laker career, he moved out of the six-bedroom Palisades home he'd shared with his parents, into one a few houses away. He talked of raising his own family exactly as he had grown up, down to taking it to Italy.

In 1999, at 20, he even began to enact his plan, buying 50% of Olimpia Milano, one of the teams Joe had played for. Kobe put Joe in charge, noting, "When my NBA career is over, hopefully I'll be there."

In the meantime, there was the little matter of getting Bryant integrated into the Laker family, because basketball isn't a game one can play by himself, even if Kobe often seemed to try.

In the beginning, O'Neal tried to take him under his wing, only to see Bryant firmly remove it. A mildly put-off Shaq nicknamed him Showboat.

Still coming off the bench in his second season, Bryant was voted an All-Star starter. Amid massive league-and-TV-inspired hype — full-page newspaper ads showing him squaring off against Jordan above the Manhattan skyline — Bryant took 10 shots in his first 11 touches.

The backlash, with veterans such as Karl Malone and Charles Barkley voicing their disdain, was nationwide. Bryant returned to the Lakers, emotionally spent, went into a tailspin and was a minor factor the rest of the season.

This was followed by the lockout-shortened 1998-1999 disaster, including the Dennis Rodman experiment, the firing of Harris, the promotion of Kurt Rambis, the demotion of Rambis and the first public signs of O'Neal's impatience with Bryant.

Nor was Bryant backing off. In a vintage quote, he once said of his teammates, "I trust them. I just trust myself more."

Phil Jackson's arrival in the summer of 1999 changed things, if painfully. Bryant, whose fascination with the triangle offense had prompted his call to its developer, Winter, now decided he didn't like it. Bryant had run-ins with O'Neal. Of course, the Lakers won their first of three titles in a row that season too, amazing even Jackson.

Clueless about something as fundamental as teamwork, Bryant's total package was nonetheless awesome. He made annual quantum leaps, and now, with a structured system and a coach who could enforce it, he began fitting himself in.

Bingo! They were sitting on top of the world, with nothing left but to do it again, which they did, and again

Be Careful What You Wish For

Bryant got saturation media coverage from Day 1 and ate it up, thrilling the Lakers, who needed someone to cooperate.

O'Neal had never liked the press grind. Laker publicist John Black once remarked that Eddie Jones had a love-hate relationship with the press whereas Nick Van Exel's was just hate-hate.

Bryant was gracious, if not colorful, basically pooh-poohing whatever disaster seemed at hand. That wasn't an act. It was hard for him to imagine things going badly and if they did, he couldn't imagine it wouldn't turn out for the best.

His typical non-game day included two hours of practice with the team, followed by an hour, or two, or three, of TV interviews, photo shoots or sit-downs with writers from national magazines. Even if you were friendly with Bryant, you had to book him a week in advance through Black.

Of course, fame should come with a warning label. If Bryant's ambitions were limitless, he was also obsessed with his privacy, which, of course, diminished as he became more famous.

Even in the beginning when it was all a lark, press people weren't invited home. Bryant's decision to jump to the NBA had been debated loudly on Philadelphia talk radio and the family was stung. The personable Joe was reluctant to talk to the press, fearing it would look as if he was attaching himself to his son's career.

Unfortunately for Kobe, the controversies only seemed to get bigger, even if they now look laughable in retrospect, and he felt the loss of privacy keenly.

Last summer, after the Lakers had won their third consecutive title, he let Ric Bucher of ESPN the Magazine visit the Newport Beach home where he and his wife Vanessa lived. Vanessa stayed upstairs, out of sight.

Kobe and Vanessa had married in the spring of 2001, after a yearlong engagement that reconfigured the bridegroom's world. (Typically, Bryant made no public announcement of the wedding and was upset when it made the papers, snarling at the Orange County Register beat guy who'd been told to write it.)

Bryant's parents opposed the marriage but were no longer around. Several months before, Joe and Pam, always visible at home games in their box at the top of the lower bowl behind the Laker bench, suddenly moved back to Philadelphia. They didn't even go to the Finals games there that spring when the Lakers played the 76ers.

The split was bitter. Kobe's sister, Shaya, was obliged to leave her job in Tellem's office and vacate her brother's Westside condo.

That was the 2000-2001 season, when the Kobe-Shaq feud blazed into the headlines, followed by news of a Kobe-Phil rift. O'Neal dreamed of getting Kobe traded. (One idea, which was actually relayed by a member of Shaq's retinue to a Phoenix official, was to send Bryant to the Suns for Jason Kidd.)

Laker officials knew there was more going on in Bryant's personal life but could only ride it out, as if it were a storm. Finally, Tellem took Kobe to see the then-retired West. Bryant chilled, the Lakers ended the regular season on an 8-0 run, then went 15-1 in the playoffs, winning title No. 2.

The family's reconciliation took years. Pam visited last winter. The first time Joe returned was last April, as spokesman for a new trampoline-basketball league. Obliged to talk to the press, Joe acknowledged the rift with his son for the first time to The Times' Bill Plaschke.

Breaking his own silence, Kobe acknowledged it too ("It's right there in the Bible. When you get married, your mother and father and sisters are no longer the priority. Your wife and daughter are the priority,") adding plaintively:

"I want a father. I want my father."

Father and son made up — as if prodded by Plaschke's piece, they got together that weekend — but Kobe was no longer anybody's little boy.

And the mission that was his life's work no longer was as uncomplicated as it had been.

It was becoming increasingly harder to keep the disparate elements of his life in harmony. He was on top, which is typically challenging enough, as expectations are dialed up. Bryant's expectations were a special problem, because he didn't merely expect to be one of the two or three best players, but to rule absolutely.

He hated the incessant comparisons to Jordan. That wasn't the way he thought of it. He didn't want to be the next Mike; he expected to accomplish so much in all things, including commercially, the question would become, "Can you be the next Kobe?"

Once wholly a creature of his family, now he had a new family. He and Vanessa began replacing his older mentors with younger ones as they assumed control of his affairs.

He began working with Tellem's young associate, Rob Pelinka, who'd played at Michigan at the start of the Fab Five era. With a year left on Bryant's deal with Adidas, the cornerstone of Tellem's marketing strategy, Pelinka terminated it, taking Bryant to Nike after a year of what officials at two companies involved said were difficult negotiations.

Nor was that the only sign of strain on the corporate front. According to one source, McDonald's was considering scaling Bryant back, finding him hard to deal with. After his arrest last month, a company spokesman said they didn't have to pull any of his spots because none were running.

Once, Bryant never cared what the press said. Now, he was as easily offended as the fabled princess, who felt a pea under the 40 mattresses she slept on. Last spring, for instance, he complained about reports that he would refuse the Lakers' offer of an extension, which would make him a free agent next summer, accurate though they were. He became incensed at straightforward reporting of his $40-million Nike deal, signed, of course, after young LeBron James had gotten $90 million.

Once, Bryant had been all but oblivious to the trappings of fame, turning up his nose at flashy fashion statements. Now he wore jewelry.

On the floor, however, he continued to progress. He and O'Neal became friends. Bryant could still go off on his own, shooting — or in a new wrinkle, not shooting — according to how he, not Jackson, saw things, but Bryant kept refining his game, even as the Lakers' championship streak ended this season.

Typically, he went to Colorado on his own in June. The Lakers not only didn't know he was in Colorado for arthroscopic surgery, they didn't know his knee bothered him that much.

At his news conference last month, Bryant, no longer the self-assured young man who knew everything was going to be fine, writhed before the cameras, his voice trembling, halting and cracking as he acknowledged a mistake — he called it "adultery" — even as he asserted his legal innocence.

Reactions varied, from sympathetic to skeptical. Personally, I hope that was the reemergence of the real Kobe, who, for all his misadventures, wanted to do the right thing.

This media circus has been booked for a long run, so it's not only tragic for all involved, but inescapable and feverish. CNN carried his news conference live. News organizations pursue the young woman's friends, with tabloids like the National Enquirer offering $12,500 for one classmate's story. The Globe put her picture on its cover. ESPN.com carried a story, asking if this might help Bryant by giving him the missing "street cred."

Commercial dollars are a modern way of keeping score. In real life, Bryant doesn't need the money. His much-discussed image flows from appearance, not reality, and is only an idea that people he doesn't know have about him.

As Bryant noted, "I have a lot at stake and it has nothing to do with the game of basketball and it has nothing to do with endorsements. This is about us. This is about our family."

This is about finding himself and will be harder than basketball ever was.
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Dear, dear, dear. Trouble in Paradise.


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Slamball. It's basketball played on a court with trampolines built into the floor.

Thanks for the good word Finch, I don't know what came over me.

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How about that Mark Cuban! Makes guys like Ted Turner look almost classy.

>>"From a business perspective, the UNFORTUNATE REALITY is that in this country notoriety sells. You only need to look at Mike Tyson as the No. 1 draw in boxing as proof. I went back and tried to find examples in the entertainment business where it hurt. I couldn't." <<


Actually, if you heard the newscast itself, Cuban couldn't quite pronounce "notoriety," and after a few tries told the reporters "you know the word I mean."


>>NBA commissioner David Stern criticized Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban on Tuesday after Cuban said the league can't help but benefit financially from the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case.
"Any suggestion that there will be some economic or promotional benefit to the NBA arising from the charge pending against Kobe Bryant is both misinformed and unseemly," Stern said in a statement issued by the league office.<<
I would never call Ted Turner classy. I don't understand what Cuban said that was wrong, other than not being able to pronounce notoriety. Hell, he said (and you capitalized for emphasis) the words "unfortunate reality'. I think it was a refreshingly honest comment; do you think you'd ever hear this from those plastic assholes in the NFL? I also think that he's incorrect in the long term.

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Thanks for posting that, Steve. He sounds like he's pretty immature. But maybe this is the price you pay when you don't go to college and just go for the money when you're 17 years old.
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OK, Walto and Tippy since you're SO good at predicting what I might say about violent acts against women....which I have already outlined for you on the Kobe Sexual Intrusion Thread...


What am I thinking about you...NOW?


Anything for a chance to take yet another cheap shot, eh? Wow. Talk about uninvited acts of aggression, man, you two just wrote the book. Co-authored by Mone and Bo, of course.

What hypocrites.


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Old August-8th-2003, 11:46 PM   #30
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Hey, man, I just praised you on another thread (regarding partisanship)! And here you are attacking me!

I take it all back then.
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