Chinese timebomb

kenny weir · September-20th-2007, 09:35 PM

Last Sunday my newspaper, Melbourne's Sunday Herald Sun, broke an amazing/terrible story of a little Chinese girl dumped by an Asian man at Melbourne's main railway station. Turns out he was her father. Her mother's body was discovered in the boot of his car, outside their Auckland home, a couple of days ago. Turns out, also, that there was a record domestic violence in their troubled marriage. Reports from the Chinese community in LA, where he flew, strongly indicate that this an individual not only prone to violence but also to bragging, arrogance and general all-round hostility. Sounds deranged. Given the time elapsed, there are also suggestions he could have gone to ground in San Francisco or Vancouver, which also have, I believe, large Chinese communties.

I'd appreciate it if US members could tell me about any coverage this manhunt receives "up" there.

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By Julie Tullberg
MELBOURNE, Sept 21 AAP - As harsh as it may seem, abandoning three-year-old "Pumpkin'' at Melbourne's Southern Cross railway station may have saved her from further trauma and possibly saved her life, experts say.

Qian Xun Xue, whose father deserted her at the railway station last Saturday, may have been exposed to frightening episodes of domestic violence for at least12 months, it has emerged.

New Zealand police say her father Nai Xin Xue, 54, was known to police after a history of domestic violence incidents involving the girl's mother Anan Liu, who was found dead in her husband's car boot on Wednesday.

Mr Xue walked away from his daughter at the Melbourne station before flying to the United States on a New Zealand passport.

Mr Xue is wanted on suspicion for murder, as US authorities step up their search for him.

He was estranged from Ms Liu, who was also known as Annie Xue.

Qian Xun, dubbed "Pumpkin'' by Melbourne police because of the Pumpkin Patch-brand vest she was wearing when found by security guards, remains in foster care.

Victoria's Department of Human Services (DHS) is talking with New Zealand's equivalent department todetermine the best care for Qian Xun, including her reunion with family and friends.

Her grandmother, Liu Xiao Ping, will leave China soon to reunite with Qian Xun, likely in New Zealand where Qian Xun is a citizen.

Melbourne child welfare and psychology experts say Mr Xue's actions reflect a man who was desperate, possibly depressed.

Professor Chris Goddard, director of the NationalResearch Centre for the Prevention of Child Abuse, said that while it was a traumatic experience, it was better that Qian Xun was abandoned to prevent exposure toabusive behaviour.

"My immediate response, sadly, has been that I am pleased the daughter was abandoned,'' Professor Goddard said.

"For her, it's terrible circumstances - it's better to be abandoned, rather than to be physically harmed.''

Prof Goddard said there was no doubt that Qian Xun would have suffered trauma as a result of being abandoned and being exposed to a violent home environment.

"Children are forced to live with domestic violence -they have no choice,'' he said.

Prof Goddard said therapeutic foster care, after careful assessment of her needs and her traumaticexperiences, was best for Qian Xun at this early stage.

Associate Professor Michael Baigent, clinical adviser for anti-depression group beyondblue (beyondblue), said many people would immediately ask the question: "How could you leave your child?''

Prof Baigent said depression was an illness that clouded people's judgment and decision-making.

"If you are depressed, severely depressed, you cancertainly see things in a jaded way,'' he said.

"A depressed person may have a different version of the world and themselves. People may see themselves as aburden on the world and that it would be a better lifeif they weren't in it.''

Prof Baigent said depressed people could do things they later regretted because they were not thinking clearly.

Dr Karen Weiss, Victorian regional manager of Relationships Australia, said the "Pumpkin'' case was an unusual one that had rocked families across Australia.

"It's a very unusual scenario and it's pretty shocking for the community,'' Dr Weiss said.

"To liberate a child (from an unsafe environment) is what is good for the child.''

Dr Weiss said that by abandoning Qian Xun, her fatherhad "deep down, feared for the girl's well-being''.

"It could be that the person is experiencing depression, or depressed with an illness or dying orthey may have no family,'' Dr Weiss said. "Of course (to abandon a child), it's not asolution.''

Centre for Excellence in Child and Family Welfare chief executive Coleen Clare said it was fortunate Qian Xun had fallen into the safe hands of Victoria's Department of Human Services, so that her immediateneeds were met in a supportive environment.

"Her future is very unclear, whether she will be with her extended family or within her own culture,'' MsClare said.

"She has the love and support with experienced carers - they are acting in the best interests until police and the jurisdiction sort out these matters.''

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My heart tells me to adopt Pumpkin

HALF-sister Grace Xue wants to adopt Pumpkin, the abandoned toddler she has never met.

Ms Xue, 27, yesterday told the Herald Sun of their father's cold, aggressive parenting and revealed she feels compelled to care for the three-year-old, Qian Xun Xue.

"Of course my heart says that but it's just too early. We haven't yet met," Ms Xue said.

"I definitely want to be part of her life.

"Of course we've talked about that (adoption) and if everything is as simple as that, my heart is saying I want to bring her home and give her a family. But we all know it's not that simple.

"She's very brave. I know she's going to turn out to be a great person."

Qian was abandoned in Melbourne last Saturday by her father Naiyin Xue, who fled to Los Angeles before his second wife's body was found in the boot of his car outside their Auckland home.

Associates of Grace Xue will make inquiries with Auckland child welfare agencies and arrange meetings with Qian's maternal grandmother, who wants to fly to New Zealand and take her only grandchild back to China.

Grace, who lives with her boyfriend Shane and their one-year-old son Edward in Auckland, is estranged from her fugitive father.

She said she was physically abused as a child growing up in China before her parents separated.

Her father moved to New Zealand soon after the marriage broke down.

Ms Xue said he would slap her on the face, shake her, yell and attack her self-esteem with emotional abuse.

"I feel some anger to my father but I'm mainly just sad," she said.

Describing her father as determined and self-centred, she said she was not surprised he had abandoned Qian.

"A similar thing has happened to me before, too. He doesn't think he has a responsibility towards me as a father."

Ms Xue said the Pumpkin drama had reopened old wounds.

"I only became aware of Pumpkin's situation on Tuesday afternoon and since then I have had very little sleep.

"I wonder how he could do this to another child -- and one so young. It is a very sad time."

Grace moved to New Zealand from China as a 19-year-old, hoping her father would help support her.

He didn't. Instead, he found alternative accommodation for her and Ms Xue worked part-time to make ends meet while she studied business management at university.

It has been about seven years since father and daughter have spoken. Two months ago, when their paths crossed by chance at a restaurant, he refused to acknowledge her.

"He left me. There was not a home for me. He left me after two months in New Zealand.

"He doesn't love me and there's no way I can count on him. I'm not sure I can forgive him," she said.

Ms Xue spent two hours with police at her home yesterday. She is helping build a criminal profile of the man wanted for question regarding the alleged abduction of Qian and the death of his second wife, Annie Liu.

Grace shot to prominence when a documentary surfaced this week featuring a bizarre interview with her father.

Mr Xue, a kung fu master, said his older daughter vanished while he was in Los Angeles on a martial arts trip.

"I lost you, I feel such loss," he said in the interview.

But Grace said her father abandoned her and it would be too painful to see him again.

She hopes he is living in fear in the US, where police are hunting him.

"I'm hoping there will be lots of guilt, that he might be afraid," she said.

Pumpkin injured in jealous rage

Mr Xue's violent past became clearer yesterday when the Herald Sun obtained a copy of his criminal record.

It shows he attacked little Qian during a violent outburst that forced his wife to flee for her life.

He was convicted of three counts over the chilling domestic attack last year.

Police records reveal that Qian, then aged 2, suffered a cut to her head when her father lashed out at his wife in a jealous rage.

Holding a knife to Ms Liu's stomach as she held their child, Mr Xue told his wife: "I treat you good and you don't treat me very well. I love you but you don't love me. I am going to kill you."

Mr Xue repeatedly punched Annie to the face with a closed fist, drawing blood.

He then pulled a 30cm kitchen knife and threatened to kill her.

The records show the argument broke out over finances and ended with Ms Liu handing over a wad of cash, taking her daughter and fleeing.

The ugly attack happened in September, the same month Ms Liu took refuge in a women's shelter.

Mr Xue was convicted for assaulting a child, assaulting a woman and using threatening language.

His occupation was listed as an unemployed martial arts instructor.

A preliminary autopsy yesterday found Annie Liu died during a violent attack.

The report ruled out the use of a weapon.

It was unable to pinpoint when she died.

Residents left flowers at the family's suburban home in Mt Roskill yesterday as private security guards replaced police guarding the property.

New Zealand police endured another day of heavy criticism for the delay in examining the car, which was parked on the street in full view of police, residents and journalists for two days before it was examined.

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'A cheat and a liar'
Tai chi colleagues in LA give their verdict on Naiyin Xue

By: Peta Hellard
Los Angeles

MISSING New Zealand man Naiyin Xue has been called a liar, cheat and conman by members of California's Chinese community.

They also revealed Mr Xue had an extensive knowledge of Los Angeles and could easily "go to ground'' there.

Anguang Sun, owner of the Tai Chi Academy of Los Angeles, said Mr Xue had been ostracised by the city's Chinese community after he launched stinging attacks on other tai chi teachers worldwide and was found to have lied about his martial arts qualifications.

"He is a very arrogant man,'' Mr Sun told the Herald Sun. "He told people that he was the best in the world at Wu-style tai chi. He said he was a grand master.

"He was always boasting and lying, all so he could make money by cheating people.''

Mr Sun, who is also the president of the Tai Chi Club of California, said he was not surprised to learn that Mr Xue had abandoned his daughter at a railway station or that he was wanted for questioning over the death of his wife.

"He is not a good man, so I am not shocked at all to hear about this,'' he said. "I don't think anybody liked him here.''

Mr Xue spent at least three months living in Los Angeles in 2000, and gave private tuition to about eight students who contacted him after he advertised in a LA-based Chinese-language newspaper.

Several members of California's tai chi community said they had not heard from Mr Xue in the more than six years since he left.

One man said he believed Mr Xue had family in San Francisco and might have gone there after flying into Los Angeles at the weekend.

Former student Kent Miu said Mr Xue had spoken about his elder daughter, Grace, during lessons, and had revealed he was upset about his financial struggles.

"I remember he emphasised that he was quite stressed due to financial problems,'' Mr Miu said.
"He said it was hard to attract students and difficult to support a family.''

The 69-year-old pensioner said he had been disappointed to learn that Mr Xue, who had been charging him $70 an hour for lessons, had lied about his training.

This was apparently revealed when a suspicious teacher contacted the Chinese academy Mr Xue said had trained him.

"Naiyin exaggerated his credentials to make himself more marketable,'' Mr Miu said. "He offended a lot of people who practise martial arts. He argued with everybody (in the tai chi community) in LA.

"He was always criticising people and putting down other teachers. He didn't like competition.''

LA dentist Steven Yang said he had paid Mr Xue about $2500 to teach him tai chi for two hours a week over a two-month period in 2000.

"He was not very friendly,'' Mr Yang said. "He seemed to think he was above everybody.''

During Mr Xue's time in LA, he lived at a house in Rosemead, a poor neighbourhood on the outskirts of the city.

Mr Miu said Mr Xue rented the room for $350 a month.

A man at the house said yesterday he had moved into the property in 2002 and did not know Mr Xue.

Monte Smith · September-21st-2007, 08:06 AM

So far the only information reported is that Xue is apparently bundling money for Hilary Clinton. Hehehe. No, but this guy sound's like a prick. Hopefully he is in Canada. Get 'im, Mounties!

claude · September-21st-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

Get 'im, Mounties!

kenny weir · February-29th-2008, 07:22 PM

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...226991437.html

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Fugitive father finally in custody in US
Ian Munro, Emily Watt and Anna Chalmers
March 1, 2008

HAUNTED by nightmares of his dead wife and abandoned daughter, Nai Yin Xue recently began to talk and cry out in his sleep.

His sinister past was still a secret to his roommate, a Chinese American who wondered what was troubling the apparently friendly masseur who told him he had moved to Atlanta to set up a business.

"I said to him: what is in your heart?" Guisen Wu said yesterday.

Last Saturday, Xue's past caught up with him after five months on the run when his roommate recognised him in a Chinese-language newspaper story and realised he was in fact one of America's most wanted men.

For five months, Xue, 53, managed to evade police across the southern United States after he allegedly killed his wife, Anan Liu, 27, in New Zealand and abandoned their three-year-old daughter, Qian Xun Xue, at Melbourne's Southern Cross railway station.

In the end, it was six fellow ethnic Chinese who hog-tied him with his own belt and trousers in a rundown apartment building in Atlanta early yesterday and called police to come and pick up their man.

In a picture that had been published in World Journal, Xue was striking the same pose he had shown his new friends when demonstrating he was a kung fu master.

After seeing it, the group hatched a plan to catch Xue, which included luring him to a noodle shop. But they eventually decided against trying to detain him in a public place, and instead took him back to an apartment in the largely migrant suburb of Shallowford. They jumped on him from behind, binding his ankles with his belt and his hands with his pants and sat on him until police arrived.

"He struggled for three to five minutes," Wei Chen said.

As Xue screamed "you have betrayed me", one of the group left to call police.

Xue, who left New Zealand with $6000 and paid cash for his flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles last September had managed to replenish his finances. He was carrying $6500 when police detained him.

Xue initially denied he was the NZ fugitive. "He gave the officers a couple of different names. What they did was arrest him for giving a false identity and then they searched him" said Chamblee assistant police chief Mark Bender.

Xue, who twice featured on US TV program America's Most Wanted, admitted his identity after his NZ driver's licence was found in a pocket. Another pocket yielded the key to the Texas-registered 1996 Ford Thunderbird he had been seen driving in Texas, Mississippi and Alabama.

Assistant Chief Bender said the car was found in the parking lot of an adjacent apartment building.

Xue had done nothing to change his appearance apart from opting for a crew cut. Police say he would not have stood out in the migrant area, inhabited mainly by Chinese and Hispanic migrants.

If US authorities decide to declare Xue an undesirable alien he could be extradited to NZ within a week.

Assistant Chief Bender said the two arresting officers were shocked when they learnt of Xue's background. "This is a once-in-a-career type of thing for just about any officer" he said. "It just happened to be the luck of the draw for us today."

Five months ago Xue had broken into a jubilant smile and gave himself a double thumbs-up as he passed through security checks at Melbourne Airport on his way to Los Angeles.

He was evidently untroubled by the fate of Qian Xun, who became known as Pumpkin because of the clothes she was wearing. The airport security camera image was until a week ago the last positive public sighting of the man suspected of murdering his young wife.

Four days after he abandoned Qian Xun, the body of Ms Liu, was found in the boot of the family car outside their Auckland home. NZ police were embarrassed when it was revealed they had been at the house for two days before the car was searched.

It was a crucial break for Xue. After a one-night stay at a cheap Los Angeles motel, Xue disappeared. He later spent at least two weeks in Mobile, Alabama. He passed himself off as the owner of a ceramics store in Houston, and was also seen around Biloxi, Mississippi.

US Marshals Inspector Tom Hession said a week ago that authorities were closing in on him. Xue had twice been stopped by unknowing police who had let him continue on his way. He was most recently reported last weekend in Gulfport, Mississippi. Xue had made no attempt to hide his intentions, telling one man he was travelling to Atlanta before heading on to Florida.

Ms Liu's mother, Liu Xiaoping, said she was relieved to hear of Xue's arrest.

"I am very happy after five months, that it will happen that this man is brough to justice," Madame Liu said from China, where she lives with Qian Xun. Last night Xue was in Atlanta's DeKalb County Jail and was expected to be handed over to the US Marshals service which specialises in fugitive pursuits.

Inspector Hession said Xue, who entered the US on a 90-day visa, could be returned to NZ within a week if he was declared an undesirable alien who had overstayed his visa, but a formal extradition could take up to six weeks. He said it had not been decided which country's police officers would escort him back.

Neither the Australian Federal Police nor Victorian police have made applications for Xue's extradition.

US police plan to nominate the group who detained him for an award. But the only woman in the group, Ding Qing Chen, said they were only doing their civic duty.

"I am not a hero. As a Chinese living overseas, I feel I have the responsibility to help catch him."

With BEN DOHERTY and KIM RUSCOE

This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...226991437.html

shrugs · February-29th-2008, 08:09 PM

The only place I heard of it was on America's Most Wanted.

Erik Lund · March-1st-2008, 03:22 AM

It's probably not but the father's name Nai Xin (without knowing which accents they are) means/could mean "Patience".

shrugs · March-1st-2008, 03:41 AM

I took Mandarin for two years.

wao cho da ma.

kenny weir · March-1st-2008, 03:51 AM

Looks like the rotter is stuffed.

US immigration officials have stepped in to whisk him away, circumventing any extradition process that could drag on for months/years. Could be fronting a Kiwi court as early as next week.

Erik Lund · March-1st-2008, 04:03 AM

Shrugs, wo bu zhidao shenme yisi, yinwei "wao" he "cho" bu shi ci. Ni shenme shihou xue le putonghua? Ke neng ni xue lao de pinyin le...?

shrugs · March-1st-2008, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik Lund

Shrugs, wo bu zhidao shenme yisi, yinwei "wao" he "cho" bu shi ci. Ni shenme shihou xue le putonghua? Ke neng ni xue lao de pinyin le...?

I'll take that as a task to get out my texts.

bruce massey · March-1st-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik Lund

Shrugs, wo bu zhidao shenme yisi, yinwei "wao" he "cho" bu shi ci. Ni shenme shihou xue le putonghua? Ke neng ni xue lao de pinyin le...?

Fuckin Showoff.....

So There!

Paul B · March-1st-2008, 05:12 PM

I thought by "Chinese timebomb" you meant all the poisoned and unsafe medicine, toys, food, and other products we import from China because our greedy corporations prefer to manufacture products there rather than at home.

Guess I was wrong.

Monte Smith · March-1st-2008, 05:40 PM

My mom is all nervous because China is producing our consumer goods. She says to me, "Nothing was made in China when you were growing up." Which is not quite true. Some of my Matchbox cars were made in Great Britain, but others were already being made in Hong Kong. And anyway when I was growing up and toys were being produced in Proper Places, lead paint was legal and nobody had a fit about it.

shrugs · March-1st-2008, 05:47 PM

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../newcon-ss.htm

Paul B · March-1st-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

...when I was growing up and toys were being produced in Proper Places, lead paint was legal and nobody had a fit about it.

Tainted, poisonous pharmaceuticals and food products, however, weren't legal then and shouldn't be legal now.

Captain Hate · March-1st-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul B

I thought by "Chinese timebomb" you meant all the poisoned and unsafe medicine, toys, food, and other products we import from China because our greedy corporations prefer to manufacture products there rather than at home.

Guess I was wrong.

I thought it was about the olympics being held in one of the most polluted places in the world.

Monte Smith · March-1st-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul B

Tainted, poisonous pharmaceuticals and food products, however, weren't legal then and shouldn't be legal now.

No, they shouldn't be. I worked for a company that made toys that were made in China. The onus was on us, as it should be, to make sure that the product passes US inspection. In fact, our toys always had to pass US inspection and EU inspection (harder) since the market for toys is such that if you are not selling globally, you are not making money. There were tests we had to do. Some of the Chinese goods failed. We were not allowed to import those goods. But it was never a case of, the Chinese are poisoning us. The one instance I recall was a tranceiver did not pass the paint test because of lead. The tranceiver was not painted, it had lead soldering. Lead soldering is legal. The soldering was detected in the lead paint test.

Whatever. The importer is responsible for what comes in this country. Hold them accountable; they will hold their Chinese contractor accountable.

Erik Lund · March-2nd-2008, 04:42 AM

Kuai dian, Shrugs! Wo yao ni de fanyi!

Erik Lund · March-3rd-2008, 08:44 AM

Shrugs: Wo you naixin, danshi, ruguo ni bu gei wo yi ge fanyi, wo xuyao xiang ni zhen de bu zhidao putonghua. Wo renshi hen duo shei shuo "Wo hui shuo zhongguohua", ke shi tamen *zhende* bu hui. Zhi shi yinwei ni xue le, ni daggai zhen bu zhidao zenme shuo hao le...

Ruguo ni fanyi zhege, wo neng gei ni jihui, ke shi you xiang ni shuo hu shuo ba dao le... hehehehe.

groover · March-3rd-2008, 02:41 PM

China has more than one time bomb to worry about.

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from the October 19, 2007 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1019/p09s02-coop.html
China's surplus of sons: A geopolitical time bomb

Ending its one-child policy could ease instability.

By Michael Fragoso

Washington
The Olympics are around the corner. Just as qualifying athletes are training hard for the big event, China seeks to put its best foot forward in response to critics at home and abroad.

Among the criticisms is a quiet but serious challenge: the artificially high number of Chinese men compared with Chinese women. China should act expeditiously to correct the social and legal pressures that have converged to create this problem.

"Son preference" is a deep-seated, widespread problem in many cultures. In many parts of the world, having a son is integral to one's future financial and social wellbeing. Recent articles have tried to shed light on the problem in India – putting much blame on the ultrasound machines women use to determine the sex of their unborn children in order to decide whether they should abort a female fetus.

In China, however, the problem takes on a frightfully larger scope when "son preference" meets the notorious One Child policy. When the government only allows one child, it puts immense pressure on Chinese parents to determine the sex of their child in the womb, and terminate the pregnancy if it is a girl.

The unintended consequences of this government policy are staggering. The proportion of male births to female births (the "sex ratio") is not merely unusual, but alarming. Worldwide, there are already 100 million girls "missing" due to sex-selective abortion and female infanticide, according to the English medical journal The Lancet. Fifty million of these girls are thought to be from China. In many provinces, the sex ratio at birth is between 120 to 130 boys for every 100 girls; the natural number is about 104. What will happen in future decades when these boys grow up and look for wives?

Among other things, such a situation would exacerbate the growing problem of sexual trafficking, which will surely have its hardest effect on the most vulnerable in the developing world as China grows richer.

Another serious threat is to regional stability and, by extension, international security. As Valerie Hudson and Andrea den Boer recently wrote in their prize-winning work on demography and security, "Bare Branches," surplus male populations in a region often result in violence – through banditry, rioting, or militarization. The 6 to 5 male-female ratio in China means there are a lot of men who will not be able to start families. If history is any guide, they will either find less savory things to occupy their time, or find women through equally unsavory means.

China should work to prevent sex-selective abortions and fix the gender balance, not only to avoid social and political instability, but also because women and men are equal. The fundamental right to life exists regardless of one's gender.

The means to correct China's gender imbalance will hopefully prove as peaceable and wholesome as those being undertaken by Korea, whose government, religious, and cultural leaders have worked together for years to increase the value of girls in their culture and erase "son preference." While China is engaged in the early stages of similar efforts, it can bolster them through changes in policy. An excellent step would be to enact and enforce laws that ban sex-selective abortion by targeting prenatal ultrasound use. Likewise, certain perceived economic causes for China's tradition of son preference could be undercut by changes in China's social-welfare networks. Most effective in balancing the sex ratio and affirming the rights of Chinese girls would be to abandon the odious one-child norm.

A tale from antiquity illustrates the potential tragedy of gender imbalance. Ancient Rome began as a refuge for fugitives, full of young, high-spirited men but utterly lacking in women. So Romulus held an athletic festival and encouraged guests to bring their wives and daughters. At a set time, able-bodied Romans seized the assembled women in an event now known as the Rape of the Sabine Women.
As China hosts the world, the world should make clear to the Chinese government how abhorrent its one-child policy is, as are its resultant sex-selective abortions. Let us take advantage of this opportunity and help the Chinese learn from the past to avoid demographic catastrophe and geopolitical instability in their future.

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Erik Lund · March-5th-2008, 08:22 PM

That's been a big concern for a long time now. A lot of rural men are flooding the cities looking for women to marry. Some are offering large amounts of money to the families to get their consent. Which seems strange to me, because I know a guy who showed me a book of over 100 beauitiful girls and when I asked him what he was showing me he said I could "pick one" to marry. maybe they're saving the "good ones" for us Americans...?

...I feel like russian mail-order brides are missing a huge market here...