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Uli · February-4th-2008, 05:14 PM

The mistake in the tread title is dedicated to the women of Canda.
Who will emerge as the winners?

patricia · February-4th-2008, 06:54 PM

Noted.

Brian Olewnick · February-4th-2008, 07:01 PM

I hope Obama's momentum carries the day but I'd have to bet against it.

Pete C · February-4th-2008, 07:31 PM

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Noted.

He said Canda!

patricia · February-4th-2008, 08:08 PM

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He said Canda!

You're right. Maybe he didn't mean us.

Jon Abbey · February-4th-2008, 08:11 PM

goodbye, SuberTuesday, who could hang a name on you?

bluenoter · February-4th-2008, 08:31 PM

The Democratic primaries won't be "winner take all" (delegates); rather, delegates will be awarded proportionally. Clinton and Obama will each come away with a bunch of delegates and live to fight on beyond Super Tuesday. Who wins the most states will seem important, but it won't be as important as who wins the most delegates, and that won't be as important as what each candidate's total delegate count, including new superdelegates, turns out to be.

The Republican primaries, however, will be "winner take all," and McCain will win most of them.

john williams · February-4th-2008, 08:33 PM

Wishful vote for Obama. Not that anyone in the US cares but he's the favorite amongst most of my friends in Australia. He's very impressive.

Scott Dolan · February-4th-2008, 08:54 PM

I think the whole superdelegate thing needs to end. What a load of crap.

Jon Abbey · February-4th-2008, 10:46 PM

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Wishful vote for Obama. Not that anyone in the US cares but he's the favorite amongst most of my friends in Australia. He's very impressive.

I care. actually, this is the main way I think Obama would be a definite immediate asset if elected, the rest of the world would hate us somewhat less, at least temporarily.

crawjo · February-4th-2008, 10:59 PM

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I care. actually, this is the main way I think Obama would be a definite immediate asset if elected, the rest of the world would hate us somewhat less, at least temporarily.

Yup, I've gotten some emails from some of my African friends about this as well. They would be obviously thrilled with an Obama presidency. From their perspective, I think they find it hard to believe that the U.S. could even elect a black man into the White House.

john williams · February-4th-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Abbey

I care. actually, this is the main way I think Obama would be a definite immediate asset if elected, the rest of the world would hate us somewhat less, at least temporarily.

That's good to hear. Someone here joked Obama will be elected then assassinated a few weeks into his presidency. I hope not. Oh, and the people who were there (a new year party) did laugh but somewhat nervously iirc. The coverage is amazing here and Obama is impressing everyone I know who follows American politics even a little. No-one seems to like Clinton much. I agree too that for the most part the rest of the world will breathe a sigh of relief if Obama is elected. However, I also think there will be immediate relief as soon as Bush is gone and almost anyone in the race will be an improvement.

cookie · February-4th-2008, 11:43 PM

Obama's going to come on strong. While he might not "defeat" Hillary, I think we'll see our highest numbers for him yet.

McCain is going to rock the republicans.

Tom Storer · February-5th-2008, 01:36 AM

I voted for Obama, although it may be wishful thinking. As Rita pointed out, neither he nor Clinton will "win"--although both will claim victory. I see McCain winning big, as mainstream Republican voters come to their senses after the long night of the neocons and the fundamentalist Christians.

rollhead · February-5th-2008, 09:54 AM

What cookie said.

The longer this last, the better Obama's chances are. It looks like that both Obama and Clinton are going to come out of today with enough delegates each to survive to later primaries. And there are some delegate rich states coming up -- Virginia (2/12) Texas and Ohio (3/4) and Pennsylvania (4/22), to name four.

As for the Republicans, it is over after today -- even if Romney picks up a truckload of delegates in California.

Jazzzoline · February-5th-2008, 10:06 AM

[QUOTE=Uli;718214]The mistake in the tread title is dedicated to the women of Canda.
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Does Patricia have to bear the blame of my mistakes?
Sorry Pat.

Gary Sisco · February-5th-2008, 10:07 AM

Obama's in for the long haul. I think he'll do alright today. The momentum is with him and there aren't millions of people so tired of him they groan at mention of his name.

One of my primary reasons for supporting is also to help bring the US back into some kind of good grace internationally. Nothing alone will do that, but the US electing Obama would signal a positive change of direction.

I hope he does well. I'm not familiar with most of today's states' political way, so I just hope. I know he's got two votes that wouldn't ordinarily have gone to any dem, in my best friend (repub) and his gal pal (Libertarian), because they changed party registration to be able to vote for him in CA against Clinton.

As for the repub side, though I am in absolute disagreement with McCain about the war, he's the only repub in the running that could win the primaries -- the election, even -- without making me feel suicidal for it. I'd not be jumping up and down with excitement but I'd not be wanting to crawl into a hole and pull the sod over myself, either. He's an unpredictable politically speaking but I think he's at least a decent guy and essentially honest. That's more than I'd say for most of either party. Plus, he doesn't support torture. I never thought a day would come when I had to differentiate based on that but it has. Indeed, torture of human beings has been elevated by the bushwits to the level of "conservative" principle. I could live with him, in short, though not necessarily happily. Tolerance alone is big points with me today. I'd be nervous over his choice of running mate, because of his age, which is older than Reagan's was. I know, he's a vital guy for his age, but the same could be said for Reagan in the run up to his first season.

Al in NYC · February-5th-2008, 10:11 AM

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Obama's going to come on strong. While he might not "defeat" Hillary, I think we'll see our highest numbers for him yet.

Even though he won't win, it will be interesting to see how many votes (and delegates) that Obama is able to take here in NY State. This is a state that everyone gave to Clinton early, given her obvious connections here. But Obama has been coming on quickly in the last couple of weeks, even without any advertising and with every prominent Democrat in the state, including all of the major black politicians, backing Clinton.

Gary Sisco · February-5th-2008, 10:16 AM

What obvious connections? She's a senator from a New York she's not from.

Al in NYC · February-5th-2008, 10:36 AM

True. But, like a true Clinton, she has made fund-raising connections all over the place here, and as a national political figure has brought a lot of out-of-state money into the state party (although Schumer is the all-time fund-raising champ). She's also built a formidable political organization and made a lot of political friends, particularly amongst black Democrats. Her husband has been especially helpful in this connection.

clinthopson · February-5th-2008, 11:17 AM

Those picking Hill may be the same ones who picked the Pats to win.

Gary Sisco · February-5th-2008, 11:39 AM

Al -- Well, keep her as a senator, then. I think of her as a kind of senator-at-large that New York state gets to elect. Or not. More a senator for New York than from.

patricia · February-5th-2008, 11:41 AM

I'm wondering how many people who are supporting Hillary Clinton are doing so because they think she will win and they want to be on the side of the winner?

There seems to be a sense of inevitability in some who are willing to accept even a Clinton Presidency in preference to a continuation of the disastrous last eight years. They just want the Bush Administration gone.

Gary Sisco · February-5th-2008, 11:47 AM

Not enough. ;-)

walto · February-5th-2008, 11:47 AM

I'd put it a little differently, Pat. I'd ask how many are with Clinton because they think she has a better chance against the Repubs? (The main reason I'm with Obama is that I think he does.) Is that wrong?

patricia · February-5th-2008, 11:54 AM

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I'd put it a little differently, Pat. I'd ask how many are with Clinton because they think she has a better chance against the Repubs? (The main reason I'm with Obama is that I think he does.) Is that wrong?

I don't think you are wrong, Walto. I think that those who are supporting Obama see a chance for a candidate who wants to actually have a government that, regardless of a citizen's political affiliation, sees good government as a consensus between their desire for prosperity and regaining a respected place in the larger world.
Hope for actual change may be a naive thing, but wouldn't it be better to ask for ordinary people to work together to heal the country?
There will always be ideological differences. But, it is possible to transcend those for the good of everyone, regardless of which political party they support.
Perhaps Obama is a real chance to take a different tack than has been taken for the last few years. It could be one that will benefit most, rather than only those on the same side as the ruling party. After all, ultimately everyone in the country is on the same team internationally.