Old November-24th-2008, 10:12 PM   #1
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Bush Criminal Pardons

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Bush pardons 14 and commutes 2 prison sentences

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press

Mon Nov 24, 6:20 pm ET

WASHINGTON – President George W. Bush has granted pardons to 14 individuals and commuted the prison sentences of two others convicted of misdeeds ranging from drug offenses to tax evasion, from wildlife violations to bank embezzlement, The Associated Press learned Monday.

The new round of White House pardons are Bush's first since March and come less than two months before he will end his presidency. The crimes committed by those on the list also include offenses involving hazardous waste, food stamps, and the theft of government property.

Bush has been stingy during his time in office about handing out such reprieves.

Including these actions, he has granted a total of 171 and eight commutations. That's less than half as many as Presidents Clinton or Reagan issued during their time in office. Both were two-term presidents.

On the latest pardon list were:

_Leslie Owen Collier of Charleston, Mo. She was convicted for unauthorized use of a pesticide and violating the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.

_Milton Kirk Cordes of Rapid City, S.D. Cordes was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, which prohibits importation into the country of wildlife taken in violation of conservation laws.

_Richard Micheal Culpepper of Mahomet, Ill., who was convicted of making false statements to the federal government.

_Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer of Fort Worth, Texas, for reporting or helping cover up a crime.

_Andrew Foster Harley of Falls Church, Va. Harley was convicted of wrongful use and distribution of marijuana and cocaine.

_Obie Gene Helton of Rossville, Ga., whose offense was unauthorized acquisition of food stamps.

_Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travelers Rest, S.C., who was convicted of income tax evasion.

_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla., convicted of bank embezzlement.

_William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas, who was sentenced for making false entries, books, reports or statements to a bank.

_Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla., who was sentenced for misapplication of bank funds.

_Robert Earl Mohon Jr. of Grant, Ala., who was convicted of conspiracy to distribute marijuana.

_Ronald Alan Mohrhoff of Los Angeles, who was convicted for unlawful use of a telephone in a narcotics felony.

_Daniel Figh Pue III of Conroe, Texas, convicted of illegal treatment, storage and disposal of a hazardous waste without a permit.

_Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark., who was convicted of aiding and abetting the theft of government property.

Bush also commuted the prison sentences of John Edward Forte of North Brunswick, N.J., and James Russell Harris of Detroit, Mich. Both were convicted of cocaine offenses.

Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.

Some high-profile individuals, such as Michael Milken, are seeking a pardon on securities fraud charges. Two politicians convicted of public corruption — former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards — are asking Bush to shorten their prison terms.

One hot topic of discussion related to pardons is whether Bush might decide to issue pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office to government employees who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Some constitutional scholars and human rights groups want the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama to investigate possible war crimes.

If Bush were to pardon anyone involved, it would provide protection against criminal charges, particularly for people who were following orders or trying to protect the nation with their actions. But it would also be highly controversial.
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Key concept: The "latest" pardons.


Plenty more to follow, I am sure.
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Do you think Bush's Commutations and Pardons list will exceed Clinton's list?????????





Commutations

  1. Ronald Henderson Blackley
  2. Bert Wayne Bolan
  3. Gloria Libia Camargo
  4. Charles F. Campbell
  5. David Ronald Chandler - federal death row inmate[1]
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  6. Lau Ching Chin
  7. Donald R. Clark
  8. Loreta De-Ann Coffman
  9. Derrick Curry
  10. Velinda Desalus
  11. Jacob Elbaum
  12. Linda Sue Evans
  13. Loretta Sharon Fish
  14. Antoinette M. Frink
  15. David Goldstein
  16. Gerard A. Greenfield
  17. Jodie E. Israel
  18. Kimberly Johnson
  19. Billy Thornton Langston Jr.
  20. Belinda Lynn Lumpkin
  21. Peter MacDonald - Navajo Chairman (sentence for 14 years in 1993 for fraud and racketeering convictions.)
  22. Kellie Ann Mann
  23. Peter Ninemire
  24. Hugh Ricardo Padmore
  25. Arnold Paul Prosperi Florida attorney, tax fraud. managed Clinton's 1967 campaign for student-council president.[2]
  26. Melvin J. Reynolds - Democratic Congressman from Illinois - bank fraud and obstruction of justice
  27. Pedro Miguel Riveiro
  28. Dorothy Rivers - lead official in Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, plead guilty to theft of 1.2 million dollars in federal grant money
  29. Susan Rosenberg
  30. Kalmen Stern
  31. Cory Stringfellow
  32. Carlos Anibal Vignali - convicted of cocaine trafficking
  33. Thomas Wilson Waddell III
  34. Harvey Weinig
  35. Kim Allen Willis
  36. Kimba Smith
  37. Antonio Camacho Negron - FALN militant

[edit] Pardons

  1. Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States).[3]
  2. Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine)
  3. Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy)
  4. Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion)
  5. William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud)
  6. Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications)
  7. Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud)
  8. Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
  9. Scott Lynn Bane (Unlawful distribution of marijuana)
  10. Thomas Cleveland Barber (Issuing worthless checks)
  11. Peggy Ann Bargon (Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act)
  12. David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
  13. William Arthur Borders Jr. (Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery)
  14. Arthur David Borel (Odometer Rollback)
  15. Douglas Charles Borel (Odometer Rollback)
  16. George Thomas Brabham (Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank)
  17. Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury)
  18. Leonard Browder (Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud)
  19. David Steven Brown (Securities fraud and mail fraud)
  20. Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson (Possession of Marijuana)
  21. John H. Bustamante (wire fraud)
  22. Mary Louise Campbell (Unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps)
  23. Eloida Candelaria (False information in registering to vote)
  24. Dennis Sobrevinas Capili (Filing false statements in alien registration)
  25. Donna Denise Chambers (Intent to distribute cocaine)
  26. Douglas Eugene Chapman (Bank fraud)
  27. Ronald Keith Chapman (Bank fraud)
  28. Francisco Larois Chavez (Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens)
  29. Henry Cisneros (former HUD Secretary)
  30. Roger Clinton, Jr. Cocaine charges(half-brother of President Bill Clinton)[3]
  31. Stuart Harris Cohn (Illegal sale of commodity options)
  32. David Marc Cooper (Conspiracy to defraud the government)
  33. Ernest Harley Cox Jr. (Defraud of federally insured savings and loan)
  34. John F. Cross Jr. (Embezzlement)
  35. Rickey Lee Cunningham (Intent to distribute marijuana)
  36. Richard Anthony De Labio (Mail fraud)
  37. John Deutch (former Director of Central Intelligence Agency)
  38. Richard Douglas (False statements to a government agent)
  39. Edward Reynolds Downe (Wire fraud, false income tax returns and securities fraud)
  40. Marvin Dean Dudley (False statements)
  41. Larry Lee Duncan
  42. Galen R. Elmore (Convicted of cattle theft)
  43. Robert Clinton Fain
  44. Marcos Arcenio Fernandez
  45. Alvarez Ferrouillet
  46. Henry O. Flipper - guilty of "conduct unbecoming an officer" (1882)
  47. William Dennis Fugazy
  48. Lloyd Reid George
  49. Louis Goldstein
  50. Rubye Lee Gordon
  51. Pincus Green
  52. Robert Ivey Hamner
  53. Samuel Price Handley
  54. Woodie Randolph Handley
  55. Jay Houston Harmon
  56. Rick Hendrick
  57. John Hummingson
  58. David S. Herdlinger
  59. Debi Rae Huckleberry
  60. Warren C. Hultgren Jr.
  61. Donald Ray James
  62. Stanley Pruet Jobe
  63. Ruben H. Johnson
  64. Linda Jones
  65. James Howard Lake
  66. June Louise Lewis
  67. Salim Bonnor Lewis
  68. John Leighton Lodwick
  69. Hildebrando Lopez
  70. Jose Julio Luaces
  71. James Timothy Maness
  72. James Lowell Manning, (1982, aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return)
  73. John Robert Martin
  74. Frank Ayala Martinez
  75. Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez
  76. John Francis McCormick
  77. Susan H. McDougal
  78. Howard Mechanic
  79. Brook K. Mitchell Sr.
  80. Samuel Loring Morison
  81. Charles Wilfred Morgan III
  82. Richard Anthony Nazzaro
  83. Charlene Ann Nosenko
  84. Vernon Raymond Obermeier
  85. Miguelina Ogalde
  86. David C. Owen
  87. Robert W. Palmer
  88. Kelli Anne Perhosky
  89. Richard H. Pezzopane
  90. Orville Rex Phillips
  91. Vinson Stewart Poling Jr.
  92. James G. Powell
  93. Norman Lyle Prouse
  94. Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.[4]
  95. Danny Martin Pursley Sr.
  96. Charles D. Ravenel
  97. William Clyde Ray
  98. Alfredo Luna Regalado
  99. Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort
  100. Marc Rich
  101. Howard Winfield Riddle
  102. Richard Wilson Riley Jr., Cocaine and marijuana charges, His father was Clinton's Education Secretary.[4]
  103. Samuel Lee Robbins
  104. Joel Gonzales Rodriguez
  105. Michael James Rogers
  106. Anna Louise Ross
  107. Dan Rostenkowski - Former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal
  108. Gerald Glen Rust
  109. Jerri Ann Rust
  110. Bettye June Rutherford
  111. Gregory Lee Sands
  112. Adolph Schwimmer
  113. Albert A. Seretti Jr.
  114. Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw
  115. Dennis Joseph Smith
  116. Gerald Owen Smith
  117. Stephen A. Smith
  118. Jimmie Lee Speake
  119. Charles Bernard Stewart
  120. Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins
  121. Fife Symington III - former Arizona governor
  122. Richard Lee Tannehill
  123. Nicholas C. Tenaglia
  124. Gary Allen Thomas
  125. Larry Weldon Todd
  126. Olga C. Trevino
  127. Ignatious Vamvouklis
  128. Patricia A. Van De Weerd
  129. Christopher V. Wade
  130. Bill Wayne Warmath
  131. Jack Kenneth Watson
  132. Donna Lynn Webb
  133. Donald William Wells
  134. Robert H. Wendt
  135. Jack L. Williams
  136. Kavin Arthur Williams
  137. Robert Michael Williams
  138. Jimmie Lee Wilson
  139. Thelma Louise Wingate
  140. Mitchell Couey Wood
  141. Warren Stannard Wood
  142. Dewey Worthey
  143. Rick Allen Yale
  144. Joseph A. Yasak
  145. William Stanley Yingling
  146. Phillip David Young
  147. Keith Sanders
  148. Darren Muci
  149. John Scott (not a full pardon)
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Old November-24th-2008, 11:00 PM   #4
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[B]Do you think Bush's Commutations and Pardons list will exceed Clinton's list?????????


If he is going to pardon everyone, from himself, down to the lowest person on the list, who were all complicit in lying to the world about why it was necessary to invade and occupy a country, remaining there, terrorizing the people, causing the deaths of thousands, then I would say that the list of those pardoned will be quite a bit longer than the Clinton list.

Of course, Bush may take the gamble that everyone will be so relieved that he and his merry band have ankled off into the sunset that they are willing to let bygones be bygones.
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What's the (online) line on this phenomenon, Gordo?
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If he is going to pardon everyone, from himself, down to the lowest person on the list, who were all complicit in lying to the world about why it was necessary to invade and occupy a country, remaining there, terrorizing the people, causing the deaths of thousands, then I would say that the list of those pardoned will be quite a bit longer than the Clinton list.
the good thing is that I don't think he can pardon people who haven't yet been charged with anything, so people can still be charged after he leaves office. am I right in that assumption?
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If he is going to pardon everyone, from himself, down to the lowest person on the list, who were all complicit in lying to the world about why it was necessary to invade and occupy a country, remaining there, terrorizing the people, causing the deaths of thousands, then I would say that the list of those pardoned will be quite a bit longer than the Clinton list.
If.
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the good thing is that I don't think he can pardon people who haven't yet been charged with anything, so people can still be charged after he leaves office. am I right in that assumption?
He can legally pre-emptively pardon but the odds against Patricia's hypothetical pardoning spree being true are 1,000-1 against.

It's ridiculous for Goody and Patricia to condemn in advance for the hypothetical.

Clinton abused his pardon power in a serious way and was rightfully criticized at the time.
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In Thanksgiving Tradition, Bush Pardons Scooter Libby In Giant Turkey Costume
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It's ridiculous for Goody and Patricia to condemn in advance for the hypothetical.
I think the forecast is quite safe. Everything else would actually surprise me.

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It's ridiculous for Goody and Patricia to condemn in advance for the hypothetical.

I hope I am wrong.
But, seriously Gordon, do you think anyone will be held to account for the massive deception resulting in thousands of deaths.
If that were not enough, how about the destruction in Iraq to the families of ordinary people and draining of the U.S. National treasury that has taken place in the last eight years.
Letting bygones be bygones, as long as the Bush Administration promises to go quietly hardly seems just.
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Clinton abused his pardon power in a serious way and was rightfully criticized at the time.
Something we agree upon.
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do you think anyone will be held to account for the massive deception resulting in thousands of deaths.
No, but Bush knows enough about the American system to know that nobody will be held to account, and that pre-emptive pardons are unnecessary.
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No, but Bush knows enough about the American system to know that nobody will be held to account, and that pre-emptive pardons are unnecessary.
Something we agree on.
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He can legally pre-emptively pardon but the odds against Patricia's hypothetical pardoning spree being true are 1,000-1 against.

It's ridiculous for Goody and Patricia to condemn in advance for the hypothetical.

Clinton abused his pardon power in a serious way and was rightfully criticized at the time.
Oh I think George the First and Ray-gun before him did one helluva a lot more damage with their pardons.


The sheer weight in numbers and the fact they pardoned political cronies up to their nether reaches in indictments trumps Clinton.


Besides, you know as well as I do Gee Dumbya isn't through yet.





Paging Scooter Libby....

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All I am saying is that it is extraordinary to me that an Administration can screw up this badly, creating what can only be described as criminal chaos, resulting in thousands of deaths of innocent people, on the basis of the original lie and walk away, unscathed.
An analogy might be one in which you worked for a company and your actions directly caused the deaths of thousands of people, the theft of billions of dollars and the loss of the prestige of your company and NOTHING HAPPENED TO YOU.
You were not fired.
No criminal charges were brought against you.
You continued to hold the same job, despite your obvious incompetence.
You retired as was customary at the end of your contracted eight years.
You received a generous pension and lifelong security for you and for your family.

If that happened, you would be living in some parallel universe.

And yet...........................................
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Oh I think George the First and Ray-gun before him did one helluva a lot more damage with their pardons.
Why did their pardons effect more "damage" than Clinton's?

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Paging Scooter Libby....
Bush commuted his prison sentence over a year ago.
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No, but Bush knows enough about the American system to know that nobody will be held to account, and that pre-emptive pardons are unnecessary.
until they leave the country at least.
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I did a search on:
_Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark., who was convicted of aiding and abetting the theft of government property.

and it seems he was busted back in '75 while in the military. Prolly selling goods under the table.

Seems like a long time to spend in jail for that.

Too bad the criminal justice system can't cleanse itself of all these bs charges more easily.

I just hope he doesn't let Edwin Edwards out early.
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All I am saying is that it is extraordinary to me that an Administration can screw up this badly, creating what can only be described as criminal chaos, resulting in thousands of deaths of innocent people, on the basis of the original lie and walk away, unscathed.
That describes most administrations in my lifetime, Republican and Democrat.
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Probably several of these pardons were justified. Of course he's going to get any off the hook who did environmental damage. Compared to Shrub's activities, they are small potatoes.

The World Court should file charges against Bush, Chenby and Rumsfeld for war crimes. Shrub can't issue a pardon there.

The most criminal administration in our history, more than Nixon, must be Called to account.
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The Center for Constitutional Rights will be pursuing them out of the United States because it is unlikely that they will be brought to justice here. You might remember that Rumsfeld had to sneak out of France last year for fear he would be indicted:

http://ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press...ng-trip-france
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There's a problem with seeing the bipartisan foreign policy of the United States as an indictable war crime. Can the new Secretary of State travel abroad without fear of charges of aiding and abetting?
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There's a problem with seeing the bipartisan foreign policy of the United States as an indictable war crime. Can the new Secretary of State travel abroad without fear of charges of aiding and abetting?

What on Earth are you babbling about, Monte?
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Bush commuted his prison sentence over a year ago.
That's nice.


Was he pardoned, MRS?


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Why did their pardons effect more "damage" than Clinton's?
You can't be serious, are you?


Ever hear of Oliver North or Casper Wienberger, um....perhaps George Stienbrenner?


If you insist on arguing the point, I suggest you do some research first. OK?

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BTW...if the numbers are an issue, here's a breakdown of the past six presidents plus the current prez:

Bush II- 179 [and counting....]
Clinton- 456
Bush I- 77
Reagan- 406
Carter- 566
Ford- 409
Nixon- 926


The republicans [1897] got the Demo's [1022] beat by a mile and a half; Nixon is the Champ [926] and almost beats the Demo's singlehandedly.

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Wow on Nixon. Wait - how does a resigning pres get to pardon anyone?

What about Reagan's count?
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Wow on Nixon. Wait - how does a resigning pres get to pardon anyone?

What about Reagan's count?
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Old November-26th-2008, 03:10 PM   #29
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BTW...if the numbers are an issue, here's a breakdown of the past six presidents plus the current prez:

Bush II- 179 [and counting....]
Clinton- 456
Bush I- 77
Reagan- 406
Carter- 566
Ford- 409
Nixon- 926


The republicans [1897] got the Demo's [1022] beat by a mile and a half; Nixon is the Champ [926] and almost beats the Demo's singlehandedly.
That's five Republicans for two Democrats, of course it's going to be more. If you calculate average pardons per president, the average Republican president made 399.4 pardons and the average Democrat made 511. If you break it down by presidential term, the average Republican presidential term yielded 285.29 pardons and the average Democratic presidential term yielded 340.66.

Kind of hard to make a partisan issue of this. If you do, the Dems don't come out on top.
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Kind of hard to make a partisan issue of this.
Tim enjoys a challenge. Anyway, if it wasn't for Ron Thorne and those Alaskans none of the Republicans would have won in the first place.
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