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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
This is history. The Clinton drama goes on and on and on. Personally, I think she has the goods to be quite an effective federal foreign testical retriever. There have been female Secretaries of State before, but Hillary is the first complete bitch to be head State since Cyrus Vance. Secretaries of State who went on to become President: Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Quincy Adams, Van Buren, Buchanan. Good luck at Foggy Bottom, HRC.
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December-1st-2008, 06:41 PM
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Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh says he's "stunned" that Hillary Clinton accepted the job as President-elect Obama's secretary of state.
In an interview with Barbara Walters to air on "The 10 Most Fascinating People of 2008," Limbaugh called the choice of Clinton "a brilliant stroke by Obama."
You know the old phrase 'You keep your friends close and your enemies closer?'" Limbaugh asked. "He puts her over at secretary of state, how can she run for president in 2012? … Then she's got to run against the incumbent? And be critical of him, the one who made her secretary of state?"
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December-1st-2008, 06:42 PM
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Had to edit for the size of this photo, which from the Secretary's Senate webpage is unbelievably huge:
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December-1st-2008, 06:49 PM
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I am sure willy will turn up on this thread quite soon.
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December-1st-2008, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordon B
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh says he's "stunned" that Hillary Clinton accepted the job as President-elect Obama's secretary of state.
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Then again, Rush confidently predicted that Hillary would never run for the senate seat in New York, so WTFDHK?
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December-1st-2008, 07:40 PM
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IMO, having Clinton as Secretary of State instead of Vice President at least heads her off at the pass should something happen to him and his Vice has to step in and sit in the Big Chair. That job is Joe Biden's.
Judging by all the disturbing threats against Obama's life by crazies, at least someone who thought Clinton should be President won't be tempted.
As Secretary of State, from what I understand, Clinton has no power beyond what President Obama will give her to carry out his policies.
Also, if she should misinterpret, somehow, what power she has, Obama could ask for her resignation.
So, I don't think that it was a bad choice, although I would have preferred she not have any position in the new administration, she is his choice, for whatever reason.
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December-1st-2008, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph
Then again, Rush confidently predicted that Hillary would never run for the senate seat in New York, so WTFDHK?
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If Rush had instead confidently predicted that Hillary would run for the Senate and win you would give more credence to his analysis as to why Obama selected her for SOS? 
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Humans clearly attend closely to status, an important part of status is dominance, and a key way we show dominance is to tell others what to do. Whoever gets to tell someone else what to do is dominating, and affirming their own status. But we are also clearly built to not notice most of our status moves, and so we attribute them to other motives. And as long as we are making up motives, we might as well make up the most admired of motives, altruism. --Robin Hanson
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December-1st-2008, 07:54 PM
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I am sure willy will turn up on this thread quite soon.
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I confidently predict that Tippy will show up on this thread.
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Humans clearly attend closely to status, an important part of status is dominance, and a key way we show dominance is to tell others what to do. Whoever gets to tell someone else what to do is dominating, and affirming their own status. But we are also clearly built to not notice most of our status moves, and so we attribute them to other motives. And as long as we are making up motives, we might as well make up the most admired of motives, altruism. --Robin Hanson
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December-1st-2008, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by patricia
Judging by all the disturbing threats against Obama's life by crazies, at least someone who thought Clinton should be President won't be tempted.
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I don't know what you mean by "all the disturbing threats." But if you are worried about a Clintonoid coup...as perhaps you should be...then sleep poorly tonight. The Secretary of State is but four heartbeats removed from the Oval Office. First goes the President. Then the Vice President. Then Speaker of the House. Then the oldest dude in the Senate.
Then: Her Majesty, Emperor Clinton!
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December-1st-2008, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordon B
I confidently predict that Tippy will show up on this thread.
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Why me? I don’t have anything to say about the new testicle retriever except to say perhaps it’s better than a vaginomatic. Perhaps. I mean I don’t really know. Anything.
Well actually I do know one thing. You should vote for my brother’s band, Silver Needle, at www.goldiesgarage.us. You can register here: http://www.goldiesgarage.us/index.ph...&task=register
It will produce long lasting contentment. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation. 
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December-1st-2008, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordon B
If Rush had instead confidently predicted that Hillary would run for the Senate and win you would give more credence to his analysis as to why Obama selected her for SOS? |
Probably not. I didn't give his prognostication any credence then, and I don't now.
Edit: I *do* think Hillary has a certain cachet overseas. And I wonder if Obama is allowed to pay off part or all of her campaign debts? That might be a powerful incentive for Clinton to take SOS and give up the run in 2012. Which, in a certain manner, seems to put me in Limbaugh's train of thought.
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December-1st-2008, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by patricia
IMO, having Clinton as Secretary of State instead of Vice President at least heads her off at the pass should something happen to him and his Vice has to step in and sit in the Big Chair. That job is Joe Biden's.
Judging by all the disturbing threats against Obama's life by crazies, at least someone who thought Clinton should be President won't be tempted.
As Secretary of State, from what I understand, Clinton has no power beyond what President Obama will give her to carry out his policies.
Also, if she should misinterpret, somehow, what power she has, Obama could ask for her resignation.
So, I don't think that it was a bad choice, although I would have preferred she not have any position in the new administration, she is his choice, for whatever reason.
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i'm no big fan of Hillary's but in all fairness, Patricia, she does have some very good qualifications for the position.
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December-1st-2008, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Valerie
i'm no big fan of Hillary's but in all fairness, Patricia, she does have some very good qualifications for the position.
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What I'm admiring that's completely opposite from the mess we're leaving behind, is that he's making these hires for various qualifying *reasons* , as in contrast the outgoing gang that you pretty much just had to be a cronie to get many of the positions; all (or most) qualifications aside.
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December-2nd-2008, 12:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Valerie
i'm no big fan of Hillary's but in all fairness, Patricia, she does have some very good qualifications for the position.
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Has Clinton actually met international leaders, in an official capacity?
I know that she travelled internationally as the First Lady.
But, aside from her social obligations as First Lady, did she do anything else that would make her uniquely qualified?
I'm not really quibbling about her being chosen.
It is the President-elect's prerogative to choose whoever he wants.
But, I wonder whether this appointment was made to pacify those who are still pissed because she didn't get the nomination, though I'm not convinced that she would have received the support that Obama did and become President.
There are still those who talk about her eighteen million votes.
But, there were also those who were prompted to vote for Clinton by Rush Limbaugh "ditto-heads" and had no intention of supporting her in the General Election.
However, that is water under the bridge now and Clinton has been chosen.
So, we will see how it shakes out soon enough.
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December-2nd-2008, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Monte Smith
Personally, I think she has the goods to be quite an effective federal foreign testical retriever.
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Monte, you have no testicals. However, since you have fathered children, I assume you have at least one testicle.
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December-2nd-2008, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tippy
Why me? I don’t have anything to say about the new testicle retriever except to say perhaps it’s better than a vaginomatic. Perhaps. I mean I don’t really know. Anything.
Well actually I do know one thing. You should vote for my brother’s band, Silver Needle, at www.goldiesgarage.us. You can register here: http://www.goldiesgarage.us/index.ph...&task=register
It will produce long lasting contentment. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation. |
I just wanted to show JMJ that when I make confident predictions, I'm usually right. He will weight my opinions higher now. 
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December-2nd-2008, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph
Probably not. I didn't give his prognostication any credence then, and I don't now.
Edit: I *do* think Hillary has a certain cachet overseas. And I wonder if Obama is allowed to pay off part or all of her campaign debts? That might be a powerful incentive for Clinton to take SOS and give up the run in 2012. Which, in a certain manner, seems to put me in Limbaugh's train of thought.
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He wasn't prognosticating when he complimented Obama for a shrewd political decision.
The Secretary of State at minimum is a salesperson for the President and at maximum can negotiate on behalf of the President. Her appointment may get the most ink, but it's hardly the most important.
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Humans clearly attend closely to status, an important part of status is dominance, and a key way we show dominance is to tell others what to do. Whoever gets to tell someone else what to do is dominating, and affirming their own status. But we are also clearly built to not notice most of our status moves, and so we attribute them to other motives. And as long as we are making up motives, we might as well make up the most admired of motives, altruism. --Robin Hanson
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December-2nd-2008, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordon B
He wasn't prognosticating when he complimented Obama for a shrewd political decision.
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If you think Rush Limbaugh has no ulterior motive for ostensibly "complimenting" a member of the Democrat party, then you're probably somewhat delusional, IMHO. To paraphrase a closing argument I once heard, I wouldn't trust him if he told me my shoes were on fire.
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December-2nd-2008, 09:46 AM
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Gordon, implicit in Limbaugh's comments is the prognostication that Clinton will not run for president in 2012 ("He puts her over at secretary of state, how can she run for president in 2012?"). Perhaps that is why people make the link with his earlier, inaccurate prediction that she wouldn't run for the Senate.
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December-2nd-2008, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Monte Smith
This is history. The Clinton drama goes on and on and on. Personally, I think she has the goods to be quite an effective federal foreign testical retriever. There have been female Secretaries of State before, but Hillary is the first complete bitch to be head State since Cyrus Vance. Secretaries of State who went on to become President: Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Quincy Adams, Van Buren, Buchanan. Good luck at Foggy Bottom, HRC.
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Coming from JC's own complete punk.
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December-2nd-2008, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph
If you think Rush Limbaugh has no ulterior motive for ostensibly "complimenting" a member of the Democrat party, then you're probably somewhat delusional, IMHO. To paraphrase a closing argument I once heard, I wouldn't trust him if he told me my shoes were on fire.
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Hear, hear.
Why the fuck should anyone care what Rush has to say anyway?
That goes for the old lady on The View as well....
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December-2nd-2008, 12:03 PM
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The Clinton drama goes on and on and on.
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Only for you, Cokie Roberts, David Broder, and all the other Beltway Fatheads.
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December-2nd-2008, 12:41 PM
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Then again, Rush confidently predicted that Hillary would never run for the senate seat in New York, so WTFDHK?
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He also said there is no such thing as global warming.
But what can you expect from a former drug user, eh?
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Coming from JC's own complete punk.
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Dang.
You mean I'm no longer JC's complete punk?
Well, I know when I'm beat. High fives all around. Well done, Monte.
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December-2nd-2008, 12:43 PM
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I think Hillary Clinton is an awesome choice for Secretary of State.
She is intelligent and forward thinking as well as a humanitarian.
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December-2nd-2008, 12:55 PM
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"Beltway Fatheads" haha totally brilliant!
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December-2nd-2008, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph
If you think Rush Limbaugh has no ulterior motive for ostensibly "complimenting" a member of the Democrat party, then you're probably somewhat delusional, IMHO. To paraphrase a closing argument I once heard, I wouldn't trust him if he told me my shoes were on fire.
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Whether he has an ulterior motive or not, I think I'm capable of evaluating his comments based on whether they seem reasonable to me, not based on who said them. Regardless, I found them interesting, whether I agree or not.
Tom, JMJ's linkage was disingenuous because he said in his first post that Limbaugh's comments about Hillary should be discounted because of his prior wrong prediction yet said in a follow-up post that he would have discounted the comments just as much if Limbaugh had nailed his prediction about the Clinton Senate race.
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Humans clearly attend closely to status, an important part of status is dominance, and a key way we show dominance is to tell others what to do. Whoever gets to tell someone else what to do is dominating, and affirming their own status. But we are also clearly built to not notice most of our status moves, and so we attribute them to other motives. And as long as we are making up motives, we might as well make up the most admired of motives, altruism. --Robin Hanson
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December-2nd-2008, 01:02 PM
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Limbaugh is still an idiot, notwithstanding.
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December-2nd-2008, 01:08 PM
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Rush Limbaugh's name contains all the letters of "blog" except the "o".
Coincidence?
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December-2nd-2008, 01:14 PM
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I blaugh at Rush Limbaugh
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December-2nd-2008, 01:18 PM
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Monte, you have no testicals.
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Spelling aside, you're not the first to suggest that.
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