December-12th-2008, 11:16 AM
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Reevaluating @ 500k
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Senate Report Fingers Rummy
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December-12th-2008, 01:43 PM
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The Bluegrass
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He's one but far from the only.
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December-12th-2008, 01:56 PM
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Unflappable
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ewww-inducing thread title.
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December-12th-2008, 02:53 PM
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In the shadow of the 7
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Now, if only they would actually do something about it.
Not holding my breath...
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December-12th-2008, 02:55 PM
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The mouldiest of all figs
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I figure Shrub will be issuing pardons to Rummy, The Dick, and the rest of those White House criminals on Jan. 19.
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December-12th-2008, 03:20 PM
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We are the only reality
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They should all be charged with murder, torture, theft and anything else that comes out of that.
Of course they will ankle off home, pre-emptive pardons or not, after their administration folds, telling themselves that they did nothing wrong.
Meanwhile, the national treasury cupboard is bare, thousands are dead or permanently disabled, the reputation of the U.S. internationally is a shambles.
Heck of a job, BUSHIES. WHEW.
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December-12th-2008, 03:27 PM
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It couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy. 
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December-13th-2008, 08:43 AM
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There won't be any justice, at least not in the U.S. About all that can be hoped is that one of these assholes will travel overseas and be nabbed and sent to the Hague. Completely appropriate for the authors of "rendition," doncha think?
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December-13th-2008, 09:05 AM
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colors outside the lines
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Can’t find the video for Glenn Greenwald on Bill Moyers’ Journal last night but it was about this subject: The expansion of powers during war and the implications of not prosecuting political leaders (because it would be too divisive, perpetuating a cycle that encourages leaders to break the law). Crap, I say prosecute them. (Did you know that the U.S. prison system accounts for 25% of the imprisoned population worldwide? Wow! Nice paradox, little people.)
Maybe the video will appear later and simply hasn’t been added to the website yet. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12122008/profile.html
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December-13th-2008, 09:15 AM
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Reevaluating @ 500k
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Originally Posted by Brian Olewnick
ewww-inducing thread title.
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Among politicians only the M.D.s like Howard Dean and Bill Frist are allowed to actually finger him.
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December-13th-2008, 10:28 AM
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Among politicians only the M.D.s like Howard Dean and Bill Frist are allowed to actually finger him.
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Maybe Fate will be able to finger him. It's hard to say because Fate is fickle and is often airborne.
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December-13th-2008, 11:39 AM
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poor folk's child
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Obama in the tradition of his predecessors could fire US attorney Fitzgerald and have him appointed as a special investigator to get on Bush & co's asses.
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December-16th-2008, 08:44 AM
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You know, it wasn't just Rumsfeld. And the report, I am totally shocked to say, has been deep-sixed by the Mainstream Media.
It is finally dawning on me (we all know I can be incredibly slow about these things) that all of this--the President of the United States of America tied to homicides--will be buried. Because investigating these charges puts certain senior Democratic lawmakers in the awkward position of having to admit that they knew and therefore sanctioned this horror while it was going on.
At moments like these, I think the US is just one huge bank scandal--people in positions of great authority either did very bad things or chose not to acknowledge that very bad things were happening. And no one is going to admit to anything. Think of it as a moral version of a credit freeze. Until the government stops "protecting" banks from admitting the truth of their condition, the financial crisis will continue. Until we all--all of us, me included--stop "protecting" political leaders from having to admit that they approved murder and torture, we will never get out from under the cloud of moral failure that hangs over us.
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December-16th-2008, 09:50 AM
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Unflappable
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Pshaw, Dr. Dave--they were only Iraqis or Afghanis. They don't count.
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December-16th-2008, 10:19 AM
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We are the only reality
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Originally Posted by Brian Olewnick
Pshaw, Dr. Dave--they were only Iraqis or Afghanis. They don't count.
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Exactly, Brian.
Judging by the documentary film that has come out of the region over the last few years, the military treated the Iraqi people like dirt under their feet, taking great delight in killing them.
The attitudes of many of the soldiers is the very definition of pornography.
They went to the region with we have to assume were noble reasons, defending their country from another 9/11 and within weeks were cold-blooded killers.
To say that their mission was to bring freedom to the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq is turning out to have been a cruel joke.
And it continues.
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December-16th-2008, 10:31 AM
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Quitting @ 10.4k
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At moments like these, I think the US is just one huge bank scandal--people in positions of great authority either did very bad things or chose not to acknowledge that very bad things were happening. .
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Huh? Aren't you the great champion of outsourcing all of America's manufacturing capacity in the name of globalization fundamentalism?
I thought you WANTED the ponzi-scheme economic geniuses to run the country, while the rest of the the world actually made things -- and the 99 percent of the rest of us non-economic geniuses were minimum wage Merry Maids.
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December-16th-2008, 12:33 PM
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The mouldiest of all figs
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Originally Posted by Dr Dave
certain senior Democratic lawmakers in the awkward position of having to admit that they knew and therefore sanctioned this horror while it was going on.
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Like the Secretary of State designate.
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December-16th-2008, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rollhead
Huh? Aren't you the great champion of outsourcing all of America's manufacturing capacity in the name of globalization fundamentalism?
I thought you WANTED the ponzi-scheme economic geniuses to run the country, while the rest of the the world actually made things -- and the 99 percent of the rest of us non-economic geniuses were minimum wage Merry Maids.
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My basic opinions regarding free trade--the real thing, without protectionist bullshit of every description--remain intact. My faith in the ability of human beings to actually practice free trade is under revision.
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