February-4th-2009, 10:28 PM
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Green Party-ites in the News
Listen to the deafening silence.
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February-4th-2009, 10:29 PM
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Um.
Rollie?
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February-4th-2009, 10:33 PM
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para animar a festa
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February-4th-2009, 10:35 PM
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Thanks, pete.
I can't get enough wackos in my life.
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February-5th-2009, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodSpeak
I can't get enough wackos in my life.
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I am sure your wife doesn't have that complaint.
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February-5th-2009, 10:29 AM
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The Bluegrass
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The thing with Goodie is his evenhanded willingness to entertain all points of view
that coincide with his own.
Sheesh.
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February-5th-2009, 10:35 AM
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He's like me when I was a Bush supporter.
He's right, and his President is right, so sayeth the Lord.
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February-5th-2009, 10:40 AM
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The Bluegrass
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And simultaneously, bloggers lack cred because they have a point of view.
Go figure.
And be thankful you're not in school.
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February-5th-2009, 04:06 PM
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My personal opinion has nothing at all to do with blogs or any political party. I will, however, exercise my constitutional right to express it. HUGE difference.
Moot point at best, Boyz.
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February-5th-2009, 07:24 PM
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holier than thou
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February-5th-2009, 09:10 PM
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Not at all.
Political Blogs exist for profit or subscription numbers.
I exist to destroy myths.
Political Blogs are myths. Joke news. Pretend reality. An insult.
'Nuff said?
Last edited by GoodSpeak; February-5th-2009 at 09:12 PM.
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February-5th-2009, 09:14 PM
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I am very disappointed, JMJ.
I thought you had more class.
What an idiot I was.
Last edited by GoodSpeak; February-5th-2009 at 09:15 PM.
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February-5th-2009, 09:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodSpeak
I exist to destroy myths.
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Quoted for posterity.
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February-5th-2009, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodSpeak
What an idiot I was.
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You said it!
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Humans clearly attend closely to status, an important part of status is dominance, and a key way we show dominance is to tell others what to do. Whoever gets to tell someone else what to do is dominating, and affirming their own status. But we are also clearly built to not notice most of our status moves, and so we attribute them to other motives. And as long as we are making up motives, we might as well make up the most admired of motives, altruism. --Robin Hanson
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February-6th-2009, 05:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodSpeak
What an idiot I was.
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Why limit yourself to the past tense? Go on, splash out on the present tense too!
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February-6th-2009, 07:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodSpeak
Political Blogs exist for profit or subscription numbers.
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Isn't that what newspapers do to exist?
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February-6th-2009, 07:24 AM
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That's different.
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February-6th-2009, 09:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Olewnick
Quoted for posterity.
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Now, Goody has become Death, the destroyer of myths.
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February-6th-2009, 10:38 AM
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Look! From out of the western skies!
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February-6th-2009, 12:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Storer
That's different.
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That's right, because they have actual reporters, jmj.
Reporters that get paid to write stories about, you know, stuff.
Not like the Financial Times which pays reporters to write about, um, stuff.
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February-6th-2009, 12:31 PM
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Might could point out that "green-ites" were onto issues like global warming and others decades before anyone in DC from either party but what difference would it make. None.
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February-6th-2009, 12:32 PM
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It seems to me that the blogs at least let you know that they're only espousing the opinion of the writer (which is why, I would guess, many who work at newspapers or other MSM write blogs separately), whereas newspapers have the ability to couch a story as fact-based, without necessarily disclosing the source. In fact, they often cite "unnamed officials".
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February-6th-2009, 01:13 PM
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Newspapers have columnists. There's little difference. And for most of newspaper history they were more like pamphleteering than anything else. A trouble with ahistoricity is that it helps create the illusion of a permanent present.
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February-6th-2009, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph
Isn't that what newspapers do to exist?
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Nope.
They exist to report the news and events of the day.
In order to do that, they need to turn a profit.
Political Blogs exist to satiate a particular political bent of mind and attempt to turn a profit.
I fail to see the connection between saying anything the blog readers want to read vs. a factual reporting of the news.
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Originally Posted by Tom Storer
That's different.
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Indeed it is, Tom.
Apples and oranges.
Last edited by GoodSpeak; February-6th-2009 at 04:02 PM.
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February-6th-2009, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Sisco
Newspapers have columnists. There's little difference. And for most of newspaper history they were more like pamphleteering than anything else. A trouble with ahistoricity is that it helps create the illusion of a permanent present.
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Again, I am not talking about the opinion pages, Gary....you are.
If the comparison is blogs are opinions and so are the opinion pages of the newspaper, then we have a nice fit.
Other than that, you are making a bad comparison: Hard news to opinons [blogs].
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February-6th-2009, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph
It seems to me that the blogs at least let you know that they're only espousing the opinion of the writer (which is why, I would guess, many who work at newspapers or other MSM write blogs separately), whereas newspapers have the ability to couch a story as fact-based, without necessarily disclosing the source. In fact, they often cite "unnamed officials".
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Newspapers do, too.
They are ID'd as such in the opinion pages or, in some cases, called a commentary in the byline.
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February-6th-2009, 04:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodSpeak
Newspapers do, too.
They are ID'd as such in the opinion pages or, in some cases, called a commentary in the byline.
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So, if a newspaper puts a "fact" in a section titled "News", there is no possible way it could be "opinion", because it is, after all, a "news" paper? Even if they fail to name the source?
Do you also believe what is contained in television "news reports" are factually accurate because it's called the "news"?
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February-6th-2009, 04:40 PM
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Thing to remember is that Goodspeak evidently thinks we're all, unlike himself, unable to discern the difference between news and commentary. Not that there's always that clear a difference. One of the local television stations where we used to live was snidely referred to as WGOP, and for good reason.
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February-7th-2009, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph
So, if a newspaper puts a "fact" in a section titled "News", there is no possible way it could be "opinion", because it is, after all, a "news" paper? Even if they fail to name the source?
Do you also believe what is contained in television "news reports" are factually accurate because it's called the "news"?
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I didn't say that, JMJ.
What I said was that if Gary's contention is that newspapers are no better than political blogs because they, too, have an opinion page or sponsor a blog site, he is making a bad comparison.
What I said was that if the comparison is newspaper opinion pages to blogs, we have a good fit.
At no time have I ever stated, implied or intimated that people should take anything for face value. In fact, I have made it abundantly clear on several threads that folks need to question everything, consult multiple legit sources for their news and accept nothing upon somebody else's say so [bloggers, in specific]. Further, I have stated numerous times that to limit oneself to political blogs as the primary source of information will, in fact, skew one's point of view.
Personally, I consult several sources of legit sources of current information; conservative to Liberal.
It is the primary reason why I am maligned by the rightists on this BBS as well as the Leftists.
Then there's Paul. 
Last edited by GoodSpeak; February-7th-2009 at 05:29 PM.
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February-7th-2009, 05:37 PM
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It is the primary reason why I am maligned by the rightists on this BBS as well as the Leftists.
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Maligned? Only if that means we do the same thing to one of your posts as we do to the dog poo we try to wipe off of the bottom of our shoes.
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