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Old October-12th-2003, 04:52 PM   #1
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Punishing Iraquis With Jazz

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=452375

US soldiers bulldoze farmers' crops
Americans accused of brutal 'punishment' tactics against villagers, while British are condemned as too soft

By Patrick Cockburn in Dhuluaya
12 October 2003

US soldiers driving bulldozers, with jazz blaring from loudspeakers, have uprooted ancient groves of date palms as well as orange and lemon trees in central Iraq as part of a new policy of collective punishment of farmers who do not give information about guerrillas attacking US troops.

The stumps of palm trees, some 70 years old, protrude from the brown earth scoured by the bulldozers beside the road at Dhuluaya, a small town 50 miles north of Baghdad. Local women were yesterday busily bundling together the branches of the uprooted orange and lemon trees and carrying then back to their homes for firewood.

Nusayef Jassim, one of 32 farmers who saw their fruit trees destroyed, said: "They told us that the resistance fighters hide in our farms, but this is not true. They didn't capture anything. They didn't find any weapons."

Other farmers said that US troops had told them, over a loudspeaker in Arabic, that the fruit groves were being bulldozed to punish the farmers for not informing on the resistance which is very active in this Sunni Muslim district.

"They made a sort of joke against us by playing jazz music while they were cutting down the trees," said one man. Ambushes of US troops have taken place around Dhuluaya. But Sheikh Hussein Ali Saleh al-Jabouri, a member of a delegation that went to the nearby US base to ask for compensation for the loss of the fruit trees, said American officers described what had happened as "a punishment of local people because 'you know who is in the resistance and do not tell us'." What the Israelis had done by way of collective punishment of Palestinians was now happening in Iraq, Sheikh Hussein added.

The destruction of the fruit trees took place in the second half of last month but, like much which happens in rural Iraq, word of what occurred has only slowly filtered out. The destruction of crops took place along a kilometre-long stretch of road just after it passes over a bridge.

Farmers say that 50 families lost their livelihoods, but a petition addressed to the coalition forces in Dhuluaya pleading in erratic English for compensation, lists only 32 people. The petition says: "Tens of poor families depend completely on earning their life on these orchards and now they became very poor and have nothing and waiting for hunger and death."

The children of one woman who owned some fruit trees lay down in front of a bulldozer but were dragged away, according to eyewitnesses who did not want to give their names. They said that one American soldier broke down and cried during the operation. When a reporter from the newspaper Iraq Today attempted to take a photograph of the bulldozers at work a soldier grabbed his camera and tried to smash it. The same paper quotes Lt Col Springman, a US commander in the region, as saying: "We asked the farmers several times to stop the attacks, or to tell us who was responsible, but the farmers didn't tell us."

Informing US troops about the identity of their attackers would be extremely dangerous in Iraqi villages, where most people are related and everyone knows each other. The farmers who lost their fruit trees all belong to the Khazraji tribe and are unlikely to give information about fellow tribesmen if they are, in fact, attacking US troops.

Asked how much his lost orchard was worth, Nusayef Jassim said in a distraught voice: "It is as if someone cut off my hands and you asked me how much my hands were worth."
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Old October-12th-2003, 04:59 PM   #2
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Old October-12th-2003, 05:30 PM   #3
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So far, the Independent is the only source to have reported this (according to Google News); one other source has picked up its story. How obscene, if true; we're "winning hearts and minds," as we did in Vietnam. I'm sure that worse obscenities are taking place, but this one is easy to get a handle on.
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Old October-12th-2003, 06:24 PM   #4
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Re: Punishing Iraquis With Jazz

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"They made a sort of joke against us by playing jazz music while they were cutting down the trees," said one man.
Two good news here:

1.US soldiers know what jazz is
2. One man from Iraq recognizes the music


But is it true?
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Old October-12th-2003, 07:51 PM   #5
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thats pretty shitty if its true.
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Old October-12th-2003, 09:32 PM   #6
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I'd like to hear one thing this year that doesn't make me feel sick to be an American, but I doubt that 'one thing' is anywhere to be found. Sincerely.
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Old October-13th-2003, 08:15 AM   #7
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Sand, I'm not so sure. For all we know, the music was Kenny G's greatest hits.

I know what Uli's been thinking, the Iraqis would respond better to Keith Rowe or Bernhard Stangl
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Old October-13th-2003, 08:36 AM   #8
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Yeah, it's frickin' hilarious--not. Do you think that everyone in Iraq is our enemy? Are there no allies? Are there no noncombatants?
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Old October-13th-2003, 01:08 PM   #9
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I very much doubt that this story is true.
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Old October-13th-2003, 02:40 PM   #10
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I very much doubt that this story is true.
And why would that be?
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Old October-13th-2003, 02:55 PM   #11
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Take it to the 'Alley' boys and girls...

I suspect that Reynolds , extremely suspect by his long absences here, has been working for the powers that be and has been burning ** Punishnent Mixes** for the allied troops.

Talk about Weapons of Mass Destruction;-))

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Old October-13th-2003, 03:05 PM   #12
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Take it to the 'Alley' boys and girls...
But they were playing jazz!
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Old October-13th-2003, 03:26 PM   #13
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I suspect that Reynolds , extremely suspect by his long absences here, has been working for the powers that be and has been burning ** Punishnent Mixes** for the allied troops.

Talk about Weapons of Mass Destruction;-))
That would explain a lot!!
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Old October-13th-2003, 03:29 PM   #14
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Let the horse go, baby!

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Old October-13th-2003, 03:31 PM   #15
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Old October-13th-2003, 03:53 PM   #16
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That's one of the best comebacks of the year, as far as I'm concerned!
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Old October-13th-2003, 04:54 PM   #17
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I dunno MS, you kinda planted the seed with the Reynolds' comment. I think the Punishment Mixes is funnier.
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Old October-13th-2003, 05:24 PM   #18
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It's a good thing Abbey wasn't in charge of the mission.

"They made a sort of joke against us by playing pink noise and room tone while they were cutting down the trees," said one man.
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Old October-13th-2003, 05:47 PM   #19
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"They made a sort of joke against us by playing some crackles. We did not hear much but after a while we started seeing layers upon layers of new fruit groves" said one man.

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Old October-14th-2003, 05:54 AM   #20
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"They made a sort of joke against us by playing some crackles. We did not hear much but after a while we started seeing layers upon layers of new fruit groves" said one man.
At least it wasn't that rebop the Iraqis are so tired of.
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Old October-14th-2003, 03:30 PM   #21
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From what I understand, GW Bush has just read and recorded the text of Stanley Crouch's liner notes to every Wynton Marsalis disc. This is being shipped to Iraq now to be played to the unsuspecting Iraquis.
We got your WMD's right here.
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