God is on our side

clinthopson · October-16th-2003, 12:53 PM

Now here's a guy who can really bring peace.

From Oct. 16 LA Times

General Casts War in Religious Terms
The top soldier assigned to track down Bin Laden and Hussein is an evangelical Christian who speaks publicly of 'the army of God.'

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'I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'
-- Lt. Gen. William G. ‘Jerry’ Boykin, speaking about battle with a Muslim warlord
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By Richard T. Cooper, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon has assigned the task of tracking down and eliminating Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other high-profile targets to an Army general who sees the war on terrorism as a clash between Judeo-Christian values and Satan.

Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence, is a much-decorated and twice-wounded veteran of covert military operations. From the bloody 1993 clash with Muslim warlords in Somalia chronicled in "Black Hawk Down" and the hunt for Colombian drug czar Pablo Escobar to the ill-fated attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran in 1980, Boykin was in the thick of things.

Yet the former commander and 13-year veteran of the Army's top-secret Delta Force is also an outspoken evangelical Christian who appeared in dress uniform and polished jump boots before a religious group in Oregon in June to declare that radical Islamists hated the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian and the enemy is a guy named Satan.". . .

BFrank · October-16th-2003, 01:09 PM

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The Pentagon has assigned the task of tracking down and eliminating Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other high-profile targets to an Army general who sees the war on terrorism as a clash between Judeo-Christian values and Satan.

So, our army has been reduced to a bunch of paid assassins? Great....

Uli · October-16th-2003, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by BFrank
So, our army has been reduced to a bunch of paid assassins? Great....

The Lord works in misterious ways.

GoodSpeak · October-16th-2003, 02:30 PM

My brother wrote me the other day and signed off as a Christian/American.

The jist of his e-mail to me was that you cannot be a good American unless you're a good Christian...I assume this also means you must be a good republican, too.

You know, I don't ever recall hearing about God's political or religious affiliation in the Bible.

Must be a new translation...The King Bush version.

HenryMc · October-16th-2003, 02:31 PM

Wow ...this IS serious

He calls Muslim's God Satan ..Man he just doesn't dig it does he...He's dissing his own God

Tanager · October-16th-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by BFrank
So, our army has been reduced to a bunch of paid assassins? Great....

Ummmm...units like DF have always performed this as part of their mission (hotzone insert/seek-and-destroy sorts of jobs). This is nothing new.

Monte Smith · October-16th-2003, 04:53 PM

Who cares what he believes? Is he a good soldier?

GoodSpeak · October-16th-2003, 05:21 PM

Depends.

Got some enimies you need to smite?

Ron Thorne · October-16th-2003, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Monte Smith
Who cares what he believes?

Ummm ... I do! I'd care a lot less what he (or anyone) believes if they didn't proselytize and appear in uniform when doing so.

graypencil · October-16th-2003, 05:34 PM

Unfortunately, the Constitution mentions a separation
between church and state ( something DUBBya seems
bent on destroying ) ..

It doesn't mention separation of church and right wing -nut
born -again freakos in charge of weaponry..

Jerry FoultheWell must be ecstatic .. ( Isn't he the cheerleader
for this all to turn into Armageedon ?)

may whatever passes for god save us from these
religious nutjobs on BOTH sides of the current
issues ...

shrugs · October-16th-2003, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Ron Thorne
Ummm ... I do! I'd care a lot less what he (or anyone) believes if they didn't proselytize and appear in uniform when doing so.

So what's a poor old chaplain to do?

Monte Smith · October-16th-2003, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by shrugs
So what's a poor old chaplain to do?

Chaz Longue · October-16th-2003, 05:41 PM

People who think ya can't be a good American without being a Christian (or even christian) - make crappy Americans if ya ask me.

And people who want a Christian Crusade against the Jihadists - are just pouring gasoline on the fire AND missing the point: Islamic terrorists hate secularism as much if not more than they hate Christians; as do thier intolerant Christian counterparts. If you're a secularist and/or have no religious beliefs, they'll all take a break from killing eachother to burn you at the stake...

Ron Thorne · October-16th-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by shrugs
So what's a poor old chaplain to do?

Most of the chaplains I'm aware of conduct religious services for the military in chapels on military installations and in combat zones, not in civilian venues. And, I might add, they are not charged with the duty of spewing venom, ignorance and intolerance while wearing jump boots and a sidearm!

shrugs · October-16th-2003, 09:01 PM

I don't think it's against the law to wear a uniform that you are entitled to wear. I don't like the sound of this guy either but he's not breaking any laws.

GoodSpeak · October-16th-2003, 09:07 PM

This is not about the law, my friend.

It is ALL about the attitude.

Muslims are no more or less reprehensible than the current crop of radical right-wing Christians in THIS country.

I think that is more to the point.

BTW, I would like to personally thank you for serving our country...honestly.

shrugs · October-16th-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by GoodSpeak

Muslims are no more or less reprehensible than the current crop of radical right-wing Christians in THIS country.

These assholes forget that there are Muslims serving. I remember seeing a few Chaplains of the Islamic faith at a 9/11 ceremony.

GoodSpeak · October-16th-2003, 09:28 PM

Very, VERY cool.

Ron Thorne · October-16th-2003, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by shrugs
I don't think it's against the law to wear a uniform that you are entitled to wear. I don't like the sound of this guy either but he's not breaking any laws.

I never suggested that Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin was breaking any laws, shrugs. Nor did I suggest that military chaplains shouldn't wear their country's uniform.

shrugs · October-16th-2003, 09:51 PM

What do you think a general is? He is a politician who can use his position and uniform, which in this case includes the jump boots you mentioned, to get his opinion across to what is most likely an audience with a similar take on things. You stated that you would prefer him not to "proselytize and appear in uniform when doing so". A three star general can do just about any damn thing he wants. Who is going to tell him to stop?
He has already gone probably as far as he will go.
And Chaplians do more than just say mass. While they are usually not going to go around knocking on barracks doors trying to convert people over, they do get many opportunites to try and convert young men and women( that are sometimes in need or feel they are in need of the comfort of a higher power) to the faith they serve. One subtle example happens at my base. The chaplains throw a party every Super Bowl and shut the tube off during the half time show so they can thrown down the Jesus on the folks that went to the game for the free pizza and soda.

Ron Thorne · October-16th-2003, 09:57 PM

Shrugs, I was only trying to clarify my position a bit. I'm not interested in engaging in negative exchanges with you, my friend.

I stand by my original views and statements, short-timer.

shrugs · October-16th-2003, 10:10 PM

Understood all.

Just remember that there is no seperation of church and state in the military. "So help me God" ends the Oath of Enlistment and you have the option to swear on the bible when you reenlist!!! " My last captain, on the USS Florida(a ballistic missile submarine), called what we were doing "God's work".

Monte Smith · October-16th-2003, 10:17 PM

Anyone wants to take Christ out of the military better fortify their position.

Having said that, anyone who wants to float some perverted variety of religion better do the same.

bluenoter · October-17th-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by Monte Smith
Anyone wants to take Christ out of the military better fortify their position.

Having said that, anyone who wants to float some perverted variety of religion better do the same.

Monte has a great deal of trouble accepting anyone who's different from him in any way.

Onward, Christian soldiers! Trouble is, all of them aren't--Christian, that is. So which should it be, Monte--an all-Christian army, or Christianity (and Christ) reigning over Christians and non-Christians alike?

If the latter, which varieties of religion meet your test of being nonperverted?

walto · October-17th-2003, 07:08 AM

I don't mind this guy being a General, but I think the fact that he's "the new deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence" is not only funny but quite telling about the sort of administration the Bushites have put together.

Cracked, baby!

Clay Fink · October-17th-2003, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by walto
I don't mind this guy being a General, but I think the fact that he's "the new deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence" is not only funny but quite telling about the sort of administration the Bushites have put together.

Cracked, baby!

As my wife said this morning: "This guy puts the 'moron' back in 'oxymoron'".

I think that he's a perfect fit for this adminstration.

clinthopson · October-17th-2003, 12:37 PM

Our Christian extremist run government is just putting one of their guys in a policy making position.

So what else is new?

Monte Smith · October-17th-2003, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by bluenoter
Monte has a great deal of trouble accepting anyone who's different from him in any way.

You mean like Christians?

This government is not run by Christian extremists. The notion is ridiculous.

SinginSumo · October-17th-2003, 12:51 PM

How do you reconcile the appointment of John Ashcroft (among others)?

Tanager · October-17th-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Monte Smith
This government is not run by Christian extremists. The notion is ridiculous.

I imagine that depends on where you draw the boundaries of "extreme."