Forthcoming Cecil on FMP

[Derek Taylor]

Just heard word from Helma about this upcoming FMP disc:

Cecil Taylor Quartet feat. Franky Douglas, Tristan Honsinger & Andrew Cyrille – INCARNATION (FMP 123)

Anyone know anything about Douglas?

[Tom Storer]

A quick Google indicates that he's a Dutch guitarist who's played with Honsinger, Michael Moore et al.

[MRS]

I have (and wonder why I keep) that Persons recording 'Live During Wartime' which features Douglas w/Moore, Ernst, et. al. I don't know much more of him than that.

[crawjo]

I thought I heard somewhere that Blue Note is also supposed to come out with an RVG remastering of Conquistador. Anyone know when that's supposed to be released?

[John B]

Originally posted by crawjo
I thought I heard somewhere that Blue Note is also supposed to come out with an RVG remastering of Conquistador. Anyone know when that's supposed to be released?

It is scheduled for release in March.

[Derek Taylor]

Thanks for the info, Tom. From Michael’s comment I’m guessing Franky’s not going to be a feather in Cecil’s ensemble?

Crawjo, Conquistador is a beaut. I have an extra copy if you’re interested.

[Martin]

Franky Douglas hails from the Caribbean, I think, but has been part of the Dutch jazz scene for many years. He has one record out as a leader ("On The Roof"), featuring many of the prime Dutch improvisers. His most recent appearance on records is Sean Bergin's "Mob Mobiel".

I wasn't at the CT gig which is going to be released on FMP, but talked to someone who attended. Douglas must have been the quartet's very odd element, playing in a sort of Calypsoid style...

Cecil's getting back with Andrew?


Uh oh!

[Martin]

Originally posted by John L
Cecil's getting back with Andrew?


Uh oh!

No, this is a recording from the past millennium.

[Joe Milazzo]

There's quite a bit of info on Franky Douglas in Whitehead's NEW DUTCH SWING.

[saltwatersnow]

i would like opinions on how people think tristan honsinger fits in with cecil. seems like oil and water without having heard it. one of my favorite cecil is with parer/guy/oxley, cant recall name,, always wanted another cecil and evan parker small group but only one i know of is a trio with hinsinger also.. he is also the reason staying away from broomriding with schippenbach,, however im open to be convinced

[Squaredancecalling Steve]

Originally posted by saltwatersnow
one of my favorite cecil is with parer/guy/oxley, cant recall name,,

"Nailed," from 2000, and it's a great one.

[Dan G]

I think Honsinger works quite well with Taylor - his tendency to race around with short, scratchy lines fill in the little spaces that Taylor leaves (something that doesn't come across as well with a more spacious pianist, like Schlippenbach).

I think The Hearth is a pretty good album, and prefer it to Nailed, the one I'm assuming you are thinking of with Parker/Guy/Oxley, which I find just a bit too unrelenting. Taylor and Parker have a tendency to just forge ahead and make everyone try to keep up (not just on this album, but in general). I think they work best with someone who can temper that a bit, which is why Oxley works so well with Taylor, and William Parker when those 3 worked as a trio, who often slows down the proceedings on the bottom end. But Oxley can't reign in both cecil and Evan - I don't think anyone could. And Guy usually isn't much of a calming measure either.

Honsinger also plays on the 1996 Taylor recording, released last year on FMP, called The Light of Corona. It is an excellent session with a 9 piece band, and from what I remember (too much music, too little time) he makes a pretty good contribution to the opening section where Cecil doesn't even enter the fray until about 9 or so minutes in.

[al j]

Don't know if I'll be getting this or not. Last things that really excited me were NAILED and the WILLISAU CONCERT. It might be interesting to hear him with Cyrille again.

[saltwatersnow]

yes nailed indeed is what i was thinking of,, i love the unrelenting quality of it, and find parker uniquely suited to play with cecil in that way, certinaly something you have to be in the mood for. i also love tony oxley with cecil.

[Rob C]

I got the Hearth a couple of weeks ago, and quite like it. Honsinger plays in an almost "folksy" manner, and it has some of my favorite playing from Parker, too. It's all I've heard of Honsinger, but the music is rather gentle by Parker and Taylor's standards. Certainly more so than Nailed!

[Derek Taylor]

I’d echo Dan’s sentiments on Honsinger’s work in the Cecil orbit. He’s one of the fulcrum’s on CORONA in a group that has a few faulty components IMO. I think his work on BROOMRIDING is effective too. Though I’d disagree on THE HEARTH, a meeting that’s never completely gelled for me.

Here’s some more info on INCARNATION & a blurb from the liners scribed by Bert Noglik that unfortuantely doesn’t elucidate much about the concert in question:

INCARNATION (FMP CD 123)
Cecil Taylor (piano, voice)
Franky Douglas (g, voice)
Tristan Honsinger (cello)
Andrew Cyrille (dr, tympani)

Focus 32:32
Carnation 19:32
Cartouche 25:01

Recorded live during the TOTAL MUSIC MEETING
in Berlin on November 4, 1999
Produced by Jost Gebers
First release: January 20, 2004

"(...) Four musicians in search of a common pathway through time. The end is
still open when they come on stage, when the first sounds are carefully placed
into the space. Cecil Taylor´s highly individual lyrics resemble incantations
and are a reminder to the poetic dimension of this music. What we experience and
re-experience with the recordings is similar to the formation of waves. As
always, in groups around Taylor, musical movements develop in broad curves,
logical in themselves, cohesion and dissolution. And, as always in Taylor´s
music since the 80´s and even more in the 90´s, views of unexpected tenderness
open up. On the other hand we experience cohesion of a sheer unbearable
intensity. Unbearable for consumer-oriented ears, for senses which are only used
to react instead of perceiving and of being involved in a creative way. Whith
this emphasis of the aura, with its intensity in the here and now, this music
opposes the increasing virtualization, the disembodiement of this world. And, at
the same time, it itself can be seen as rejection of the shallow materialism of
the world of goods by igniting something indescribable between the polyrhythmic
interlocking, the whirring sounds, the thundering clusters and the hovering
microtonalities: magic."

[saltwatersnow]

so speaking of different taylor albums, and im sorry to keep hijacking this thread off topic,, any thoughts on the album "in Florence" my local library system has it and wondering if wirth copying. him, parker ans gregg bendian are i believe the group

[Dan G]

Originally posted by saltwatersnow
so speaking of different taylor albums, and im sorry to keep hijacking this thread off topic,, any thoughts on the album "in Florence" my local library system has it and wondering if wirth copying. him, parker ans gregg bendian are i believe the group

You must mean "In Florescence". It's OK, but not great. Bendian holds up better than one might expect he would this early in his life. Its sort of an oddity in that there are a lot of tracks - sort of Cecil miniatures, done in a studio, rather than the 40+ min pieces that anchor his live performances. And from what I remember, there's quite a bit of poetry. Not one I pull off the shelf often.

[walto]

"Nailed" is IT