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Old January-16th-2004, 12:16 AM   #1
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Albert Ayler and New Orleans

Hey gang,

Today I was listening to Albert Ayler's "Live at Slug's Saloon Vols. 1 & 2" and what struck me about this recording was how much his music reminded me of early jazz. Maybe it was the way he incorporated the spirituals into his playing, and the band's playing, I'm not sure. Anyone else ever get this impression of Ayler's work?
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Old January-16th-2004, 12:44 AM   #2
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Re: Albert Ayler and New Orleans

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Hey gang,

Today I was listening to Albert Ayler's "Live at Slug's Saloon Vols. 1 & 2" and what struck me about this recording was how much his music reminded me of early jazz. Maybe it was the way he incorporated the spirituals into his playing, and the band's playing, I'm not sure. Anyone else ever get this impression of Ayler's work?
One critic described Ayler's band as something like "a New Orleans marching band on acid." I can't remember who it was, or what the exact quote was. I'll see if Google can help.
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Old January-16th-2004, 09:04 AM   #3
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Ayler's sound conjured up a vision in my mind exactly as described by a writer (either Cook, Morton, or Golia): a rag-tag post-apocalytpic New Orleans marching band.
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Old January-16th-2004, 10:10 AM   #4
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I think that Ayler's sound comes out of the holiness church. Kid Ory said that Buddy Bolden used to go to the holiness church every Sunday, not to worship but to get musical ideas. He said that's where Bolden came from too.
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Old January-16th-2004, 10:35 AM   #5
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Hey, that reminds me of the gospel brass band thing. I think the best known is McCollough Sons of Thunder, who I saw in NY. The music is very much in a similar spirit to Ayler. But John, when I was in D.C. not too long ago I saw a similar band playing for tips at DuPont Circle. I watched them for an hour.

I found a link for an anthology of this stuff:

http://www.camsco.com/artists/mccoll...f_thunder.html

Here's a piece from the Village Voice:

by Tad Hendrickson
May 8 - 14, 2002

The sacred-steel playing of slide guitarists Robert Randolph and the Campbell Brothers caused quite a stir among hipster music fans drawn to their unique vocal-like lines. Whereas that sound is more blues-based and commercial, there're other instrumental gospel groups that make music just as compelling and unique. For more than 40 years, the McCollough Sons of Thunder Brass Band has played instruments with the same vocal quality. A gospel choir and marching band rolled into one, the 16-piece shout band replaces human voices with brass while maintaining gospel's choral harmonies and dramatic presentation.

The Thunderbirds, as they are called, come out of the long-running shout-band tradition, which is the house music for the United House of Prayer for All People, a religious group formed by Bishop Daddy Grace in 1919. One can walk into many of the 134 chapters to hear this kind of music, but none of them are as acclaimed or as long-running as the Sons of Thunder.

Ranging in age from their late teens to their mid eighties, the group includes seven trombonists, one sousaphone player, one trumpeter, one tenor tuba, two drummers, two cymbal players, and two guys on tambourine. All are volunteers, and none have any formal musical training.

The band is led by Elder Edward Babb, a man who plays trombone with the kind of fire and brimstone usually reserved for ministers—he dances down the aisles soloing on his horn, jumping around and exhorting the audience (in church or out) to embrace the music, to let it inspire them as it obviously has inspired him.

"Our music is only about touching the individual person's soul," Elder Babb says from his Queens home. "As opposed to commercializing our music, making a top-selling record, or whatever may come." Not boring church music, this is the true, high-energy soul music: The sound is undeniably visceral and uplifting, designed to lend comfort and healing with enough volume to be heard in the heavens.

Babb leads them through improvised sets, calling out songs and hymns as they go by, blowing the opening notes on his trombone. The rest join in behind him, vigorously swaying to the music as they build to one ecstatic crescendo after another. Remarkably, none of the music is written. In fact, none of Babb's compositions, which make up 90 percent of the group's material, even have titles. Those that do are the gospel standards that Babb will also toss in if the spirit so moves him.

Babb has always been the Thunderbirds' leader, getting the job at age 18 even though he was then the youngest member. The group still retains eight members from the original lineup, doggedly carrying out the words from Psalm 150 ("Praise him with the sound of trumpet") to their logical conclusion.

Plans for a lunchtime performance, in which the group will be driven around Lower Manhattan on the back of a flatbed truck, are being put together by the same organization that did the WTC Tribute of Light.

"You can sing blues from your soul, and it will make you cry," Babb acknowledges. "But if you put God in there, then it's something different. Sickness will be gone. It will heal you." Babb says this with the certitude of a true believer. And to see the band in action, it's hard to doubt him.


McCollough Sons of Thunder Brass Band
Tuesdays at 8 p.m. and Sundays at 11 a.m.,
United House of Prayer for All People
2320 Frederick Douglass Boulevard, 864-8795



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Old January-16th-2004, 10:38 AM   #6
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Here's a pic:
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Old January-16th-2004, 12:18 PM   #7
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Thanks for posting that interesting article, Pete. It's too bad that sanctified brass music is so scarce on CD. (Now there would be the holy grail of Mosaic box sets!)
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Old January-16th-2004, 01:37 PM   #8
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I've never read anything to confirm this, but it seems to me many musicians in the late 60s and 70s were trying to connect all or some of the dots of African American musical history. Personally, I hear more R&B in Ayler than New Orleans, but yeah ok. Then there are more explicit immersions, such as Rahsaan, and others more based on concept like the Mighty AEC. Miles may not have been as visible about it, but I think he was doing some of the same.

What's amazing is that none of these musicians sounded alike and all of them sounded original.
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Old January-16th-2004, 09:31 PM   #9
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Pete C: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you: I have been listening to the Dixie Hummingbirds and The Pilgrim Travelers of late. I look forward to glorious music from the Sons of Thunder.

Ayler: His music is based on very old forms, and there sure is a lot of New Orleans to be heard in "Bells." .
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Old January-16th-2004, 10:00 PM   #10
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Are y'all familiar with gospel saxophonist Vernard Johnson?

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