Treble-Bass

[Hard Bop Cutter]

How again do you transpose a song written for an instrument in B flat and E flat to bass clef?

Thanks-
NAte

[graypencil]

First you have to put the Eb/Bb part in concert key ..

if you dont know what concert key if ,and you don't
understand the ranges covered by the clefs.

buy a copy of Mark Levines "Jazz Theory" and brush up on the basics.

[Hard Bop Cutter]

Yea......I know how to transpose everything to concert key.....I just don't remember what happens after that.....actually, I remember being able to do it without transposing it to concert key first.

Thanks
-NAte

[idlehands]

Bass clef reads like this:

Lines - GBDFA

Spaces - ACEG

And there you go.

[graypencil]

Originally posted by idlehands
Bass clef reads like this:

Lines - GBDFA

Spaces - ACEG

And there you go.

..and middle C is the first ledger line at the TOP of the bass clef

..and the first ledger line at the BOTTOM of the treble clef as well..

[Dick Trickle]

You mean reading it on the fly?

If I have a bass chart in front of my face (playing in eflat), I take away two flats or add two sharps depending on its key orientation. There is more to it than that, but you'll understand if you think of it in the right key from the get go.

So your question is the reverse... for bass off of an eflat chart you would add two flats.

For Bflat to concert you would think down a wholestep and take away one flat.

I get alot of charts thrown at me in Bflat or concert on the fly when I am on Alto. Bass is cake. Bflat to Eflat is cake if you think of it a fourth away. Takes time to learn though be patient with it.

Aren't you a drummer? My session drummer keeps asking me what key stuff is in. Like a sucker I answered back the first time he asked... smart ass old guy is pretty funny.

[Jazzooo]

"My session drummer keeps asking me what key stuff is in. Like a sucker I answered back the first time he asked... smart ass old guy is pretty funny."

hah! Today I fell for one from my drummer. He said "Playing in 7 is easy, man!" then he counted:

One-Two-Three-Four-Five-Six-Se-Ven, One-Two-Three-Four-Five-Six-Se-Ven...

[Dick Trickle]

That's a good one.

Ask him if he knows who those people are that hang out with musicians. Then say drummers. Ususaly tops em if they hadn't heard it before.

[Hard Bop Cutter]

Originally posted by Jazzooo
"My session drummer keeps asking me what key stuff is in. Like a sucker I answered back the first time he asked... smart ass old guy is pretty funny."

hah! Today I fell for one from my drummer. He said "Playing in 7 is easy, man!" then he counted:

One-Two-Three-Four-Five-Six-Se-Ven, One-Two-Three-Four-Five-Six-Se-Ven...

hahaha, when soloing I sometimes do that ineverdently, so now I just count 1-2-3-4-5-6-1-1-2----.

Actually, the thing about the keys (I'm a drummer), I often ask about the mode of a song. I play especialy if I have never heard it before. I play with a different vibe in a "dorian" mode than I would, say in lydian mode. I would also play differently, in a song with a minor key as opposed to major.
I try to put myself into a "zen state" when playing (which usually leads more to dragging than anything else,)but it's good to know if I should go into a "major-zen" or a "minor-zen".

Thanks for the replies
-Nate