Are U.S.-Nazi parallels out of whack?

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• Are Parallels To Nazi Germany Crazy?
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  Monday, January 26, 2004
  
  The customers always write. I get about 400 e-mails in response to my columns every week, which might explain why I didn't answer yours. Here, slightly edited, is one of the more interesting ones from last week. It's from Herr Moellers in Germany:
  
  "Dear Mr. Sorensen,
  
  "I have many American friends and used to go on business travel to the U.S. a lot (I stopped doing that after even our European governments have given in to Uncle Sam's appetite for information about individuals traveling to God's Own Country), and I am shocked by the deterioration of democracy in a country that I used to love. This administration is a shame and the destabilization they have brought to the world is scaring the shit out of me.
  
  "My father was a Nazi soldier and he realized during the war what he and most of his generation was led into. I have learned from him that a nation can be guilty and that we must stop the arrogance of the powers at the very beginning. To me, America is becoming truly scary and the parallels to the development in Germany of the thirties (although the reason behind it are totally different) are sickening.
  
  "Thank you for writing about this development. The world is waiting for signs of opposition in the Unilateral States of America!"
  
  Herr Moellers' e-mail is typical of a half dozen or so I've received over the past year from people with intimate knowledge of Nazi Germany.
  
  I respect experience, so I'm inclined to believe what these people are telling me. Perhaps their memories help explain the attitude of Germans toward the Bush administration these days.
  
  They've been there, they've done that. They know what a corrupt government smells like.
  
  But are they "over the top"? Are they overreacting to a normal swing of the pendulum in American politics?
  
  To make a comparison between Germany in the 1930s and America now, I relied on a Web site called "A Teacher's Guide to the Holocaust." The passages in quotations below are taken from the site.
  
  "With Adolf Hitler's ascendancy to the chancellorship, the Nazi Party quickly consolidated its power. Hitler managed to maintain a posture of legality throughout the Nazification process."
  
  Whether by chance or design, George W. Bush is the most powerful American president in modern history. Not only does he have both houses of Congress beholden to him, but the majority of the Supreme Court is acting like a quintet of Bush lapdogs. And it all appears legal.
  
  "Domestically, during the next six years, Hitler completely transformed Germany into a police state."
  
  Civil libertarians insist that this is happening here now, with the USA Patriot Act in force and Patriot II on the table.
  
  "Hitler engaged in a 'diplomatic revolution' by negotiating with other European countries and publicly expressing his strong desire for peace."
  
  Nobody can accuse Bush of being overly diplomatic, but, like all political leaders, he is an apostle for peace, even while starting two wars during his brief tenure.
  
  In 1933, the Reichstag, Germany's parliament building, was burned to the ground. Nobody knows for sure who set the fire. The Nazis blamed communists. "This incident prompted Hitler[,then Germany's chancellor,] to convince [German President Paul von] Hindenburg to issue a Decree for the Protection of People and State that granted Nazis sweeping power to deal with the so-called emergency."
  
  The Reichstag fire parallels the Sept. 11 attacks here, and Hindenburg's decree parallels our USA Patriot Act.
  
  Soon after Hitler took power, the concentration camp at Dachau was created and "the Nazis began arresting Communists, Socialists and labor leaders ... . Parliamentary democracy ended with the Reichstag passage of the Enabling Act, which allowed the government to issue laws without the Reichstag."
  
  With Bush leading all branches of government around by the nose, there's a question whether parliamentary democracy still exists here. Certainly, concentration camps exist, if we're willing to call the lockup at Guanténamo Bay what it really is. And the USA Patriot Act allows the president to effectively take citizenship rights from any American-born criminal suspect.
  
  "Nazi anti-Semitic legislation and propaganda against 'Non-Aryans' was a thinly disguised attack against anyone who had Jewish parents or grandparents. Jews felt increasingly isolated from the rest of German society."
  
  How comfortable do American-born Arabs feel in the United States today?
  
  While the German concentration camps were being built and Jews were being persecuted, in 1936 Nazi Germany hosted the Olympic Games and put its best face forward to the world. We have the Super Bowl.
  
  In the mid- to late 1930s, Germany was able to annex nearby territories without firing a shot. That was because of the threat of the German military, the strongest in the world at the time. That might be compared with the sudden flexibility of Iran, Pakistan, Syria and Libya, all of whom are aware that Bush will do more than just threaten; he'll do it.
  
  When one is comparing then and now, I think the most interesting factor is that most German Jews remained in Germany until it was too late. They just couldn't believe Hitler was as dangerous as some people said he was. The more prescient Jews (most often those who could afford to do so) got out, however.
  
  Hitler came to power in 1933, but the killing of Jews (and others) didn't begin until five years later, in 1938, with the historic Kristallnacht ("Night of Broken Glass") on Nov. 9. On that day, "nearly 1,000 synagogues were set on fire and 76 were destroyed. More than 7,000 Jewish businesses and homes were looted, about 100 Jews were killed, and as many as 30,000 Jews were arrested and sent to concentration camps to be tormented ... ."
  
  We haven't seen anything like that here, nor does it appear to be one the horizon, yet one must wonder about the hundreds shut away in Guanténamo Bay and in other lockups in the United States and throughout the world.
  
  I haven't space here to list all of the apparent comparisons between then and now, but you can see them for yourself by reading the teacher's guide mentioned earlier.
  
  My conclusion is that some comparisons between modern times and Nazi Germany are valid, and some are not. Enough are valid, in my opinion, however, for us to be wary, and as vigilant as humanly possible.
  
  Whatever happens in this year's election, I would hope that Congress, the Supreme Court and the president himself start reeling in the power of the presidency. It has been expanding ever since Franklin D. Roosevelt, if not before, and now it is way out of proportion to what the Founding Fathers had in mind for our system of checks and balances.
  
  Our current president has the power to turn the world into turmoil with a mere stroke of the pen. No man should have that much power, no matter who he is.

[Monte Smith]

Originally posted by Mr. Sunshine
Are U.S.-Nazi parallels out of whack?

Duh.

Originally posted by Monte Smith
Duh.

• Another intelligent comment from our Seattle armchair analyst.

Not out of whack at all. Matter of fact, I can't wait for the first few liberla concentration camps to open. Then maybe we'll finally start to see some positive change around here.

Dumb and dumber!

[Monte Smith]

Originally posted by Scott Dolan
Not out of whack at all. Matter of fact, I can't wait for the first few liberla concentration camps to open. Then maybe we'll finally start to see some positive change around here.

Huh. Well done, Scott. I hadn't thought of taking a silly, specious charge and turning it around to make a positive. But you done it! Reminds me of the line from Pink Floyd's magisterial anti-fascist LP, The Wall:

Some hand in hand
some gathered together in bands
the bleeding hearts
and the artists
make their stand...

Oh yes.

[crawjo]

What I find amazing is that lefties like Clint Hopson can say that Bush's mediocre SOTU speech, which was primarily a laundry list of vague proposals, would have "played well at Nuremberg in 1934." Meanwhile, halfway across the globe, there are Islamic leaders repeatedly praising the deaths of Jewish civilians, and deploring the "Jewification" of the Middle East.

And yet...Bush is like Hitler? Saddam's Ba'athist party was basically formed out of an offshoot of Nazism, and Bush took it down, and yet...Bush is like Hitler.

Huh.

[moneyp]

No, I don't think the current administration is anything like the Nazi party. I think it's demeaning to those who suffered through the Holocaust to even suggest such a thing. Both nationalist propaganda and the battle for civil liberties were around long before the Nazis and will be around long after we're all dead. Thatcherite Britain was worse than this.

I think the current state of politics parallels McCarthyism more than Nazism, although thankfully not on the same level. At least not yet. Terrorists are the new Communists.

[crawjo]

Originally posted by mone peterson
No, I don't think the current administration is anything like the Nazi party. I think it's demeaning to those who suffered through the Holocaust to even suggest such a thing. Both nationalist propaganda and the battle for civil liberties were around long before the Nazis and will be around long after we're all dead. Thatcherite Britain was worse than this.

I think the current state of politics parallels McCarthyism more than Nazism, although thankfully not on the same level. At least not yet. Terrorists are the new Communists.

Amen to that Mone.

But some aspects of the McCarthy era, such as the hysteria and paranoia, seem to be coming more from the left than the right these days.

Originally posted by Monte Smith
Huh. Well done, Scott. I hadn't thought of taking a silly, specious charge and turning it around to make a positive. But you done it! Reminds me of the line from Pink Floyd's magisterial anti-fascist LP, The Wall:

Some hand in hand
some gathered together in bands
the bleeding hearts
and the artists
make their stand...

Oh yes.

Thanks a whole lot, Monte. Now I've got that damn music that plays behind those words scrolling through my head, over and over and over.................

But thanks for the good word. Thing is, I have finally come to realize that I have indeed been far too negative and nasty. So starting right here and now I've decided to be a force for nothing but the positive things in life. Hence my turning lemons into lemonade.

Chris has finally found ample evidence that is going to blow the lid off the entire right wing conspiracy once and for all. So, in the meantime, I have to keep a stiff upper lip.

By the way, I was hoping you could help me with something, Monte. I have recently decided once and for all to bypass the lockstep and go straight for the goose step. Here's my problem: jackboots are really tough on the heels, wouldn't you agree? So I'm wondering, can I actually practice my goose stepping at home in some more comfortable footwear, and just use the jackboots in public? And is it acceptable to use Dr. Scholl's inserts?

Dr. Scholl's, God I hope he isn't a liberla. With all this goose stepping, he is going to be in high demand. Maybe we could keep him around as an interpreter or something. Or a scout possibly?

Thanks in advance.

[moneyp]

Originally posted by crawjo
Amen to that Mone.

But some aspects of the McCarthy era, such as the hysteria and paranoia, seem to be coming more from the left than the right these days.

Well I can't keep friggin' track of who the left or the right are supposed to be anymore. In all fairness, I'm not sure the Democratic party, as currently constituted, would have acted much differently in the wake of 9/11. I'm sure they would have spun it a hell of a lot better, though. That's the one great thing about Bush. He's a terrible liar.

Put it this way. I'm not in favor of any legislation that works exclusively under a benevolent leadership, mostly because we don't have one, no matter which party wins. That's why I'm against the Patriot Act and the color-coded panic button.

[GoodSpeak]

I agree.

The current of radical right wing politics of the republican jihad are nothing like the Nazi Party of 1936-45 Germany.



They're much smarter now.

Originally posted by GoodSpeak




They're much smarter now.

Thanks!

[GoodSpeak]

Once again...no charge ;-)

[Monte Smith]

Originally posted by Scott Dolan
By the way, I was hoping you could help me with something, Monte. I have recently decided once and for all to bypass the lockstep and go straight for the goose step. Here's my problem: jackboots are really tough on the heels, wouldn't you agree? So I'm wondering, can I actually practice my goose stepping at home in some more comfortable footwear, and just use the jackboots in public? And is it acceptable to use Dr. Scholl's inserts?

A word to the wise, Scott. On the Night of the Long Knives, Adolf Hitler had scores of the original S.A. brownshirts slaughtered for just this kind of lackadaisical approach to goose stepping. Sure corns and blisters are a problem. But any fascistic parade march worth doing is a fascistic parade march worth doing right.

On the Night of the Long Knives, Adolf Hitler had scores of the original S.A. brownshirts slaughtered for just this kind of lackadaisical approach to goose stepping.

*gulp*

Th-thanks, Monte. Oh, and I was just kidding about the comfortable shoes thing.

heehee

*gulp*