Old January-30th-2004, 10:03 AM   #1
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Question " TRIPPIN ".

What kind of impact do drugs have on our society?. Can they have any positive effect on our culture, or do their consciousness altering properties stint our evolution?....
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Old January-30th-2004, 12:19 PM   #2
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Re: " TRIPPIN ".

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What kind of impact do drugs have on our society?. Can they have any positive effect on our culture, or do their consciousness altering properties stint our evolution?....
Yeah baby, you it. Thass way too cooool.

Hit me again.
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Old January-30th-2004, 12:38 PM   #3
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That reminds me. I need to write up the Pumpy on LSD anecdote.

"I see what you're doing, Monte. You and the woman. You're trying to take me from the hearth."
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Old January-30th-2004, 01:06 PM   #4
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This I have to hear.
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Old January-30th-2004, 01:13 PM   #5
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"do their consciousness altering properties stint our evolution?...."

Perhaps they just reek hammock on our choice of words.
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Old January-30th-2004, 01:21 PM   #6
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That reminds me. I need to write up the Pumpy on LSD anecdote.

"I see what you're doing, Monte. You and the woman. You're trying to take me from the hearth."
LOL
Can't wait ...
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Old January-30th-2004, 01:45 PM   #7
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That reminds me. I need to write up the Pumpy on LSD anecdote.

"I see what you're doing, Monte. You and the woman. You're trying to take me from the hearth."
Monte, you only went to read this thread because you mistakenly thought it was "Trippi."
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Old January-30th-2004, 01:50 PM   #8
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Hasn't stinted mine that much.

I don't think.

I mean recently.
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Old January-30th-2004, 02:30 PM   #9
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Drugs are an essential bedrock of our culture. Man, we got a pill for everything. A more interesting question to me is what people use drugs for. It seems to me things break out into a few categories:

Athletics: Jocks who take steroids to get bigger and meaner (and have tinier testicles).

Physical pain: Everything from aspirin to morphine, for everything from creaky joints to relief from cancer pain.

Protection from illness: Vaccines, vitamins, a whole array of "natural" substances that are supposed to prevent diseases.

Mental pain: I consider this a sort of "other" category. People who take drugs because they find day to day life either too difficult or not stimulating enough. Throw every recreational drug you can think of into this category.

Once upon a time, there were people who took drugs to find out whether they could alter their consciousness in a good way. I think Alan Watts was probably the last of those. At this late date, I don't believe there is anyone who can approach drug use in a spirit of innocent adventure. We all know too much.
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Old January-30th-2004, 02:48 PM   #10
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To me, you sound totally stinted, Dave. I mean like stintarilla.

You gotta evolve, man. That's the stint talking.
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Old January-30th-2004, 03:11 PM   #11
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yes monte, let's have it.

STAT!
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Old January-30th-2004, 03:25 PM   #12
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane

"One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small,
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all.
Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall.

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall,
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call.
Call Alice
When she was just small.

When the men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low.
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know.

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead,
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the doorknob said:
"Feed your head! Feed your head!"
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Old January-30th-2004, 03:44 PM   #13
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US WA: 'Sherm' Infuses Many Users With Raging Paranoia

URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1506/a06.html
Newshawk: Sledhead - http://www.maximizingharm.com/
Pubdate: Thu, 16 Aug 2001
Source: Seattle Times (WA)
Copyright: 2001 The Seattle Times Company
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Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/409
Author: Ian Ith


'SHERM' INFUSES MANY USERS WITH RAGING PARANOIA

They come disguised as ordinary brown cigarettes, or as sloppy marijuana joints stained brown from their plunge into noxious liquid meant for preserving human bodies for burial.

Doctors and cops say users smoke "Sherms" because they're a cheap trip, an accessible method of feeling omniscient, omnipowerful or just plain removed from reality.

They also say smoking Sherms can turn a person violent and paranoid. Seattle police say 20-year-old Devon Jackson was on a Sherm binge before he killed a man and a toddler in South Seattle on Monday and beat a 6-year-old girl with his pistol. Jackson was shot and mortally wounded by police.

Doctors disagree on whether Sherms are a unique form of formaldehyde- soaked smokes, or simply a newer name for a decades-old way to take PCP ( phencyclidine hydrochloride ). Either way, this week's deadly rampage by an armed, Sherm-smoking man is far from the first, and highlights an ongoing problem with the drug.

"Why anyone would want to take that drug, I don't know, because it doesn't really make you high, it gives you a really bum trip," said Lawrence Halpern, an associate professor of pharmacology at the University of Washington.

"A lot of people say they think it's fun. It's not fun. It makes people do things they regret later, when they're being put to death or locked up in jail for life."

Both the Seattle police chief and friends of Jackson agreed he had been smoking Sherms nonstop for days before he fatally shot his friend, 20-year-old Dante Coleman, then pistol-whipped 2-year-old Tre Vaugn Ford Spruel and 6-year-old Samunique Wilson at a Rainier Beach triplex. Tre Vaugn died. Samunique was still in serious condition at Harborview Medical Center yesterday.

Police said they had no choice but to shoot Jackson after he fled the apartment with his pistol in his hand and refused to surrender.

Although no toxicology tests have yet been returned on Jackson's blood, police and doctors say his behavior is consistent with typical Sherm reactions.

"The worst-case scenario is you go bonkers and you kill people, and then the cops get you," Halpern said.

The term "Sherm" comes from a brand of cigarettes, Nat Sherman, which have brown paper that can disguise the fact that cigarettes have been dipped. In other parts of the country, names for the laced cigarettes vary. They are also called "wetstick" or "smoking wet," though users have to allow the cigarettes to dry before lighting up.

Users have been dipping cigarettes and marijuana into PCP solutions for decades, Halpern said.

Within the past 10 years or so, he said, users discovered that formaldehyde, commonly found in embalming fluid, was good for dissolving PCP for dipping.

And cops soon started learning the term "Sherm" in connection with violence.

In 1994 in Tacoma, police tied a string of slayings to Sherm smoking, including an execution-style triple murder by a man who police said was paranoid from days of smoking Sherms. Then in 1997, a Tacoma man, Albert Spears, shot and killed an elderly man on a bus, then later testified that he'd been smoking Sherms and thought rap-music lyrics ordered him to kill people.

Seattle police say they haven't seen an increase in Sherm use lately, though they know the drug is out on the street and that popular rap recordings sometimes mention Sherms in the lyrics.

"We run into it very infrequently," said Capt. Jim Pryor, who heads the Police Department's narcotics squad. "Our common understanding is that `Sherms' and `embalming fluid' are just slang terms for PCP, and it carries all the side effects of PCP."

But Dr. Michael Copass, director of emergency services at Harborview Medical Center, said the hospital treats someone for Sherm-related problems every three days or so. And often, he said, users aren't getting high from PCP but simply from the mix of chemicals in embalming fluid. And regardless, the effects are relatively the same. People take the drug for a "Superman" effect, he said, but often end up having extreme trouble breathing or launch into incapacitating paranoia.

So the debate over whether Sherms have to contain PCP to be dangerous isn't so much the issue, Copass said.

"It's a lethal drug,' he said. "It's a drug that shortens your life and makes you do things you'd be horribly ashamed of if you were cognizant of it."
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Old January-30th-2004, 10:17 PM   #14
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"It's a lethal drug,' he said. "It's a drug that shortens your life and makes you do things you'd be horribly ashamed of if you were cognizant of it."
Well, yeah. That's the bottom line, isn't it.
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