Bill Clinton All Purpose Thread

Clay Fink · April-17th-2003, 05:12 PM

Post outrage over blowjobs, half-baked land deals and unreported honoraria such as tickets to the Wizards here.

patricia · April-17th-2003, 05:24 PM

Well, to begin with, I'm relieved that no extra-marital sex is apparantly being had by anybody in this administration. It does my heart good to know that these officials are, to a person, more morally upright than anyone else in the country.
The downside for the government is that until some personal scandal is unearthed, their actual job is still being scrutinized.
Personal attacks, in my experience, are an indication that no legitimate criticism of work-related wrongdoing can be brought up. It's a sign of an empty quiver.
Nobody is having sex anymore, with anyone, apparantly.

patricia · April-17th-2003, 05:48 PM

It begs the question of what is more important, doesn't it?
One thing that did happen, during the bj hearings, was that virtually no other news seemed important. This was happening while the plotting and planning for the Sept 11 atrocity was being hatched.
My daughter asked me at the time, why no news of the rest of the world seemed important, except for this sordid mess. I'd hate to think how many people started talking about oral sex, who I never would have expected to in ordinary conversation. It made the U.S. government a figure of fun in the rest of the world.
Meanwhile, stuff was happening, which actually threatened our safety, as we saw, when the WTC and the Pentegon were attacked.
I'm not sure that we are any safer from attack now, than we were then, or ever, despite all the restrictions on regular people's freedom which have been implemented. After all, anyone can kill anyone and a war isn't necessary to do that. Sept 11, IMO, turned into a war of opportunity, by scaring the hell out of the citizenry, who were reluctant to oppose it in any effective way. Quite a coup, for the administration, I think.

Clay Fink · April-17th-2003, 05:53 PM

Where's Scott?

I too think that the whole impeachment thing was nonsense. To tie up the whole political system over one guy lying about sex is totally bizzare. You have to wonder if we would have been better prepared for 9/11 if it wasn't for that distraction. Watergate and Iran Contra were real scandals involving a lot of money and abuse of power. What Clinton did with Monica and what he did to cover it up amounts to so little beyond Clinton's own family.

The way people like Scott are obsessed with this thing, Hillary (who has turned out to be a relatively "conservative" democrat - she voted for the war, ferchristsake) and anything that Clinton says now (his remarks about Bush and the war were measured and reasonable, IMO) is beyind me.

I think the basic problem is that Tom Delay and Rush Limbaugh don't have young, zaftig Jewish nimphos throwing themselves at them and flashing them with their thongs. Not that I do either, but I'm a nobody.

April-17th-2003, 06:17 PM

Awwwwwwwwww Clay, did you make this little ole thread just for me? You're makin me blush.

Hey Clay, are you really Howard Stern using a fake name?

Monday, March 3, 2003 11:30 a.m. EST

Hillary Supports Bush on Iraq?

Stop the presses. Hillary Clinton "fully supports" President Bush's policy on Iraq.

Yes, the senator who has accepted bin Laden cash, who has abused President Bush on his policies worldwide and at home for months, who "warned" that we weren't ready for war with Iraq because Saddam would strike in America should we attack, and who sent a letter to Colin Powell complaining that "If we are truly serious about supporting the U.N. inspections, we should increase our intelligence support to the inspectors," has now decided that she "fully supports the steps the president has taken to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction," according to her spokesman.

This moderate position - 66 percent of "core Democrats" are against military action in Iraq, according to the New York Post - is seen as another tactic in her plans for the presidency.

Hillary is trying to play it both ways, supporting and criticizing, so that no matter what happens, she can say, "See? I've been saying this all along."

The thinking goes, she needs to be seen as a centrist candidiate in order to have any chance when her turn to be the Democratic nominee rolls around in 2008.

No!!!!!!!! Hillary would never stoop to such measures!!!

Pelosi for President!!!!!!!!!!!

BFrank · December-9th-2003, 12:42 AM

Bill stumping for Gavin Newsome for SF Mayor tonight.

Monte Smith · December-9th-2003, 01:38 AM

Har har har.

"You can't see them, because they're digital. But behind this CGI arm of mine are two local TV anchor people. I urge you to vote for the pretty one."

Only in SF.

Salvador Dali Lama · December-9th-2003, 01:46 AM

one wonders if bill got to bang ortiz back there on the right.

BFrank · December-9th-2003, 02:08 AM

Gavin with Gore

Monte Smith · December-9th-2003, 02:15 AM

Har har har!

"Gavin, explain for the audience, if you will, exactly how you differ from this over-priced bottle of French tap water."

BFrank · December-9th-2003, 02:22 AM

You are one FUNNY dude, Monte!

Only in Seattle.

Monte Smith · December-9th-2003, 02:26 AM

I crack myself up.

Seattle, Manhattan, DC, Asuncion, Seoul, London. Wherever.

Ron Thorne · December-9th-2003, 02:35 AM

And now ... the qualifier!

Quote:

Originally posted by Monte Smith
I crack myself up.

Monte Smith · December-9th-2003, 03:12 AM

Ah, c'mon Grandma....

Monte Smith · December-10th-2003, 11:29 AM

Hey, it looks like Democrats can win elections. Against Greens.

Newsom won.

December-10th-2003, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by patricia
Well, to begin with, I'm relieved that no extra-marital sex is apparantly being had by anybody in this administration.

Whatever extra-marital sex these Bush thugs are having is compounded by their fucking the American people.

Gordon B · December-10th-2003, 01:11 PM

I'm outraged that he named Kenny G his favorite saxophonist.

I'd vote for Bill Clinton today over Dean, Kerry, Gephardt, or Clark.

Salvador Dali Lama · December-10th-2003, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gordon B
I'm outraged that he named Kenny G his favorite saxophonist.

I'd vote for Bill Clinton today over Dean, Kerry, Gephardt, or Clark.

He's got to be the only person alive who actually likes Kenny G and Peter Brotzmann.

Brian Olewnick · December-10th-2003, 03:06 PM

I still suspect a sneaky Brotzophilic staffer for that one.

"Hey, get me a list of saxophonists I can say I like."

"OK, Mr. President, hee-hee-hee...."

steve(thelil) · December-10th-2003, 03:09 PM

Yeah, but you had predicted Rehnquist's list a little too closely.

Brian Olewnick · December-10th-2003, 03:14 PM

I've searched the web for that Rehnquist Top 10 jazz albums list and have never been able to find it, but I'm positive it wasn't my imagination. Anyone? Appeared in the Village Voice probably around 1986-88. I even remember that the "in" to Rehnquist was Giddins' wife, Deborah Halper, who had clerked for him or something.

steve(thelil) · December-10th-2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian Olewnick
I've searched the web for that Rehnquist Top 10 jazz albums list and have never been able to find it, but I'm positive it wasn't my imagination. Anyone? ....

Exactly. So it seems like it was probably something he told you when you guys were out, rather than something you read somewhere.

Brian Olewnick · December-10th-2003, 03:22 PM

You mean when me and Rehnquist were out on one of our drinking jags? Yeah, could be. Usually, though, you don't have to get him lit to start going on and on about Jimmy Lyons.

Gordon B · December-10th-2003, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian Olewnick
I've searched the web for that Rehnquist Top 10 jazz albums list and have never been able to find it, but I'm positive it wasn't my imagination. Anyone? Appeared in the Village Voice probably around 1986-88. I even remember that the "in" to Rehnquist was Giddins' wife, Deborah Halper, who had clerked for him or something.

I saved that Village Voice.. I could have told you where it was before I moved a year ago. It's somewhere in my new house but I'm not sure where. Rehnquist's entry was a highly respectable list of avant garde jazz.

Brian Olewnick · December-10th-2003, 07:59 PM

iirc, Breuker's "In Holland" and the Lyons (Jump Up or Other Afternoons?) were on it.

steve(thelil) · December-10th-2003, 08:05 PM

I'd love to see Bush respond to being told his life depended on naming a jazz saxaphonist.

I didn't say I would like his life depending on it. I took no position on that one.

RBS · December-10th-2003, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Clay Fink
I too think that the whole impeachment thing was nonsense. To tie up the whole political system over one guy lying about sex is totally bizzare. You have to wonder if we would have been better prepared for 9/11 if it wasn't for that distraction. Watergate and Iran Contra were real scandals involving a lot of money and abuse of power. What Clinton did with Monica and what he did to cover it up amounts to so little beyond Clinton's own family.

I hated what they did to him. I think we looked like total boneheads to the rest of the world.
Bush talked about bringing a "new tone" into the White House. Well, he sure did that.

I remember when Henry "Buffoon" Hyde and the rest of the masters of disaster stormed into the Senate with their impeachment papers. What a bunch of morons, looking so goddamn high and mighty. "What am I going to tell my GRANDchildren about this oral sex?"

Well, what are you going to tell your grandchildren about their having no social security or fresh air to breathe?

Monte Smith · December-10th-2003, 08:31 PM

God I hate it when a thread on Bill Clinton devolves into a mean-spirited, partisan flame war about jazz artists. Is that what we have come to on the Alley?

GoodSpeak · December-10th-2003, 08:56 PM

Um.

Newsome WON, boys.

Well then...so much for the politically inspired bad photo, huh.

GoodSpeak · December-10th-2003, 08:59 PM

BTW, he BEAT the stinkin' Green Party, too.

The repuiblican'ts were a NO SHOW, Monte.

My advice? Grab a clue...and quick, big boy.