Randi Rhodes right now on Bush rallies

[tristano's ghost]

AirAmerica

Yeah, what's up with the loyalty oath that you now have to sign to attend a Bush event? I help pay his salary, last time I checked. Unbelievable. And some folks like to mock the notion that we are endangered by creeping fascism.
I'm glad that our guy can take dissent & criticism and believes in the enduring values of this country.

[tristano's ghost]

BushNewMexicorallies

[jesus marion joseph]

Campaign events are put on by the campaigns, not the government. Accordingly, they have every right to exclude anyone whom they wish.

On another note, how can you stand to listen to Randi Rhodes? She's the female, liberal counterpart of Ruch Limbaugh, and has about as much credibility, in my eyes, anyway.

[Root Doctor]

Originally Posted by tristano's ghost

Yeah, what's up with the loyalty oath that you now have to sign to attend a Bush event?

These guys aren't very good playing their ideas out. How do you enforce the signing of the loyalty oath?

[jesus marion joseph]

Originally Posted by Root Doctor

These guys aren't very good playing their ideas out. How do you enforce the signing of the loyalty oath?

That's a good question. What could they do to you? Bar you from future campaign rallies?

[Root Doctor]

Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph

That's a good question. What could they do to you? Bar you from future campaign rallies?

Or make you go to them.

[Enforcer]

[tristano's ghost]

Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph

That's a good question. What could they do to you? Bar you from future campaign rallies?

Well, some folks actually think that they should mean what they say and that words & vows have meaning.

The legality of what they're doing is one thing. I still think that if Bush, the president of the United States, whose salary is paid in part by my taxes, is speaking, then I should be able to go hear what he has to say. Am I going to go? Probably not--but I should have the RIGHT to go without signing a friggin' loyalty oath.

And the spirit of the thing is certainly damned un-American. Unless, of course, you believe in the America of Joe McCarthy & J. Edgar Hoover.

[Tanager]

Originally Posted by tristano's ghost

I still think that if Bush, the president of the United States, whose salary is paid in part by my taxes, is speaking, then I should be able to go hear what he has to say.

I think it depends on whether he's speaking in his official capacity as the President or as the Republican candidate for said office. If it's the latter, then no, you have no inherent right. If it's the former, well, there are still plenty of occasions where people are excluded from attending presidential addresses, albeit usually for reasons other than party loyalty (we don't automatically get to attend his addresses on the White House lawn, for example).

[Dr Dave]

OK, here's what it is: To attend a Bush/Cheney event, you have to sign a certificate saying that you endorse George W. Bush for president. Republicans say they want to make sure supporters of the President are not denied seats that would otherwise go to people who do not support the President. So: It's not a "loyalty oath," and any serious Bush opponent intent on disrupting a Bush-For-President event presumably won't think twice about signing such a document. It's not as though he or she would be held to account later on.

What's interesting is that the Kerry/Edwards campaign is not trying to keep anybody out. Kerry has actually said that hecklers at his campaign events should be tolerated. So there you have it. How do you like your candidates? With or without hecklers? I'll take mine with, thank you.

Originally Posted by Larry Nagel

YEAH!!!!

Here I saw this thread title and thought TGhost must have playing with the ouija board again.

[jesus marion joseph]

Why the hell would anyone go to one of these phony, staged events, anyway (I mean, anyone besides Goody )?

[Dr Dave]

To give money. To experience the laying on of hands. To bathe in the fellow-feeling of like-minded persons. To bask in the specialness of the candidate. Who the hell knows why? Why do people go to county fairs?

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

OK, here's what it is: To attend a Bush/Cheney event, you have to sign a certificate saying that you endorse George W. Bush for president. Republicans say they want to make sure supporters of the President are not denied seats that would otherwise go to people who do not support the President. So: It's not a "loyalty oath," and any serious Bush opponent intent on disrupting a Bush-For-President event presumably won't think twice about signing such a document. It's not as though he or she would be held to account later on.

What's interesting is that the Kerry/Edwards campaign is not trying to keep anybody out. Kerry has actually said that hecklers at his campaign events should be tolerated. So there you have it. How do you like your candidates? With or without hecklers? I'll take mine with, thank you.

Well then, let me lay that myth to rest right now.

I watched people being escorted off the south lawn today. And anyone and everyone who had protest signs of anykind were not allowed onto the grounds.

So much for your "tolerant" candidate.

So, which do I prefer? A candidate thats right up front about hecklers and how they will be handled, or one who bullshits his supporters by lying about his policy towards hecklers?

[jesus marion joseph]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

To give money. To experience the laying on of hands. To bathe in the fellow-feeling of like-minded persons. To bask in the specialness of the candidate. Who the hell knows why? Why do people go to county fairs?

At least at the county fair you know the three-headed cow is fake!

Originally Posted by jesus marion joseph

At least at the county fair you know the three-headed cow is fake!

It is?

[patricia]

Originally Posted by Scott Dolan

Well then, let me lay that myth to rest right now.

I watched people being escorted off the south lawn today. And anyone and everyone who had protest signs of anykind were not allowed onto the grounds.

So much for your "tolerant" candidate.

So, which do I prefer? A candidate thats right up front about hecklers and how they will be handled, or one who bullshits his supporters by lying about his policy towards hecklers?

Handling hecklers is one of the things which stand-up comedians and politicians learn, right in Book #1 of the correspondence course on how to be a successful comedian/politician. They both must be able to think on their feet. Keeping people with differing opinions away creates a false atmosphere. That is akin to attempting to teach a child how to write, without giving him a pencil.

Politicians are not always speaking to a partisan crowd, at least not until now, at least in Mr. Bush's case. I wonder what he will do when he has to face a truly representative audience.

[Slurpy]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

Why do people go to county fairs?

Corn dogs!

Don't know what the hell that has to do with my post, but thanks for sharing.

[Slurpy]

Originally Posted by Scott Dolan

So, which do I prefer? A candidate thats right up front about hecklers and how they will be handled, or one who bullshits his supporters by lying about his policy towards hecklers?

Yeah. Per BushCo's apparent security policies, the f**kers should just be shot in the head. And thier family billed for the bullet. A fair, just and godly
suppression of their 1st amendment rights.

[clinthopson]

In the words of Rove & Co. - "Do you haf reladives livink in America? Ve haf vays to deal mit dam."

I was once associated with a financial institution that required loyalty oaths from all its employees.

I signed mine - "Thomas Paine."

Originally Posted by Slurpy

Yeah. Per BushCo's apparent security policies, the f**kers should just be shot in the head. And thier family billed for the bullet. A fair, just and godly
suppression of their 1st amendment rights.

Is there some kind of mass distributed medication that all of you liberla's take to make you think that your candidate is some loving, peaceful man of the people?

Did you read my post above?

[tristano's ghost]

Originally Posted by Scott Dolan

Well then, let me lay that myth to rest right now.

I watched people being escorted off the south lawn today. And anyone and everyone who had protest signs of anykind were not allowed onto the grounds.

So much for your "tolerant" candidate.

So, which do I prefer? A candidate thats right up front about hecklers and how they will be handled, or one who bullshits his supporters by lying about his policy towards hecklers?

Yeah, right... where do you suppose these people came from? Oh, wait, I know... Kerry imported them. They weren't true Kerry-haters--he just had 'em there to look good!
Our guy can take it & handle himself--yours can't. That's okay, just good to know...

Kerry, Edwards Swap One-Liners with Hecklers

Fri Aug 6, 4:11 AM ET Add Politics to My Yahoo!

SEDALIA, Mo. (Reuters) - From the platform of the same train car from which U.S. President Harry Truman gave Republicans "hell" in 1948, John Kerry (news - web sites) and John Edwards (news - web sites) caught fresh jeers.

"Four more years," chanted dozens of backers of President Bush (news - web sites) as the Democratic ticket emerged from their train late on Thursday and waved to hundreds of supporters.

"Flush the Johns," one man shouted.

Fans of presidential nominee Kerry and running mate Edwards outnumbered taunters, yet the scene was reminiscent of a rowdy hockey crowd.

As Bush backers again chanted, "Four more years," Kerry drew cheers by predicting the end of the Bush presidency on election day. "Let them chant because they have only three more months to chant," Kerry said.

"Harry Truman came through here in 1948," Kerry said. "And when Harry was talking, people would say, 'Give 'em hell Harry,' and Harry would say, 'I just tell them the truth and they think it's hell."'

Edwards maintained a smile but at one point asked: "I just want to say to those folks who don't want to hear from us: My children are on this train. Show them some good Missouri manners."

As the train pulled away, Edwards gushed: "That was great. That was fun. When they were booing 'hope' and 'optimism,' I knew it was an interesting crowd."

Originally Posted by TGhost

Yeah, right... where do you suppose these people came from? Oh, wait, I know... Kerry imported them. They weren't true Kerry-haters--he just had 'em there to look good! Our guy can take it & handle himself--yours can't. That's okay, just good to know...

Are you as dumb as you come across?

I saw this shit with my own eyes.

You would rather trust a Yahoo article.

Kerry's security staff were removing hecklers and keeping any known Bush supporter out.

Period.

Grow up, thats reality.

Go easy on the Yahoo, everything in moderation.