September-1st-2004, 09:16 AM
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10 Day Disabled List
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Who were your favorite journeymen (or just plain lousy) hometown baseball players?
Phillies from mid-50's~60's:
Jim Greengrass
Ted Kazanski
Chico Fernandez
Carl Sawatski
Valmy Thomas
Harry Hanebrink
Joe Koppe
Ted Lepcio
Bobby Malkmus
Solly Drake
Choo Choo Coleman
Tony Curry
Last edited by SinginSumo; September-1st-2004 at 04:17 PM.
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September-1st-2004, 09:20 AM
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Most Loved JC User 2009®
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John Wockenfuss
Kevin Saucier
Dave Rozema
Enos Cabell
Larry Herndon
Tom Brookens
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September-1st-2004, 09:30 AM
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Reevaluating @ 500k
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Elio Chacon, because my aunt thought he was a Jewish guy named Eliosha Cohen.
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September-1st-2004, 09:36 AM
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Middle Man
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'67 Sox, baby:
Jerry Adair
Mike Andrews
Joe Foy
Jose Tartabull
Dalton Jones
George Thomas
Jim Lonborg
Jose Santiago
Lee Stange
John Wyatt
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September-1st-2004, 10:03 AM
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Six decades
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Not fair, Root. That team won the AL!
Walter "No-Neck" Williams
Pete Ward
Smokey Burgess (pinch hits only)
Ken Berry (climbing the center field fence)
Jorge Orta
Eric Soderholm
Tom Paciorek
Ken Kravec (off whom I got a hit during a scrimmage when the bigs were on strike in '81)
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September-1st-2004, 10:05 AM
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Reevaluating @ 500k
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by SinginSumo
Phillies from mid-50's~60's:
Ted Kazanski
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That's hilarious. I assume you meant Kluzuski, not the Unabomber!
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September-1st-2004, 10:18 AM
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Six decades
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Originally Posted by Pete C
That's hilarious. I assume you meant Kluzuski, not the Unabomber!
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Ted Kazanski
Theodore Stanley Kazanski
Bats Right, Throws Right
Height 6' 1", Weight 175 lb.
Debut June 25, 1953
Final Game September 28, 1958
Born January 25, 1934 in Hamtramck, MI
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September-1st-2004, 10:26 AM
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Tom Tresh, OF, New York Yankees, 1960s. In his best year, '62, he hit .286; my memory is that he was sometimes playing outfield alongside both Mantle and Maris, which is the only thing that makes him memorable to me, other than the alliterative name.
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September-1st-2004, 10:31 AM
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Middle Man
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Originally Posted by Chris D
Not fair, Root. That team won the AL!
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The thread title didn't say unsuccessful journeymen, Chris.
I once saw Walt "No Neck" Williams get spiked chasing a fly ball in Fenway. I bet that was mighty painful.
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September-1st-2004, 10:31 AM
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Plus ça change...
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Triple-A hero Bill "King Tut" Tuttle
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September-1st-2004, 10:35 AM
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holier than thou
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Oil Can Boyd, because of his immortal quote, upon a game against the Indians at Cleveland being canceled due to heavy fog: "That's what you get when you put a stadium next to the ocean."
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September-1st-2004, 10:43 AM
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From Detroit:
JIM WALEWANDER - a friend and I took a road trip downstate to catch a weekend series against the Angels. We painted a 30-foot long banner and toted it along with us, and Wales hit his only major league home run in the Sunday game. Apparently we made it on ESPN...
Aurelio Rodriguez
Gates Brown
Tito Fuentes
Kevin Saucier
Champ Summers
Aurelio Lopez
From Boston:
Darren Bragg
Rich Garces "El Guapo"
Henry Cotto from the '84 Cubs. And Razor Shines was the mascot for a 1987 slowpitch team I played on; we had his card hanging in the dugout as a good luck charm.
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September-1st-2004, 10:43 AM
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That's me completely hidden by the "B" in "Club"...
Last edited by bostontricky; October-2nd-2005 at 05:38 PM.
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September-1st-2004, 10:44 AM
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Wheezer ripped my flesh.
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Bob Montgomery.
2nd banana catcher to Carlton Fisk in the 70s.
To my knowledge, the last major leaguer to not wear a batting helmet at the plate.
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September-1st-2004, 10:44 AM
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Champ Summers! My grandfather loved him. He'd always repeat that he heard Champ never picked up a baseball bat until he was 24 years old, or something like that. I don't know if it's true or not.
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September-1st-2004, 10:46 AM
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In the shadow of the 7
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Gates Brown!!!!
Don Wert
John Hiller (survived a heart attack and came back to set a saves record...)
Aurelio Rodriguez
Eddie Brinkman
Tom Timmerman (looked like an accountant)
Jason "Rooftop" Thompson
Ron "One in a Million" LeFlore (a true hometown guy, in more ways than one)
Gary "Hand Me the Peanut Butter NOW" Sutherland
...and a guy I'm sure all of you Giants fans remember:
The one, the only, Tito Fuentes.
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September-1st-2004, 10:49 AM
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In the shadow of the 7
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Damn, ol' Tigers fans think alike...
I see from the picture that Tricky and his friends sprung for the goood seats.
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September-1st-2004, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Al in NYC
John Hiller (survived a heart attack and came back to set a saves record...)
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38 in '73, baby! Another constant story from my grandfather. Hiller's name was never mentioned without the obligatory heart attack reference.
Last edited by Enforcer; September-1st-2004 at 10:50 AM.
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September-1st-2004, 10:54 AM
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Six decades
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Originally Posted by Root Doctor
The thread title didn't say unsuccessful journeymen, Chris.
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I know, I know. Just jealous....
Bucky Dent, y'all, who started with the '73 ChiSox.
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September-1st-2004, 10:54 AM
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Middle Man
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Originally Posted by Al in NYC
Gates Brown!!!!
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That guy used to consistently slay the Red Sox. Thanks for stirring up that memory, Al.
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September-1st-2004, 10:56 AM
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Plus ça change...
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I liked Gates Brown too. When the Tigers came to Syracuse for an exhibition game when I was a kid, not only did he give me an autograph, but he chatted with me a little. Made my year.
But I don't think of him as a either a journeyman or lousy. He was a hell of a pinch hitter.
Last edited by walto; September-1st-2004 at 10:56 AM.
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September-1st-2004, 11:02 AM
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Six decades
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Pinch hitters are by definition journeymen!
Twins edition:
Zoilo Versailles
Cesar Tovar
Mike Cubbage
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September-1st-2004, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Al in NYC
I see from the picture that Tricky and his friends sprung for the goood seats.
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Upstairs CF bleachers: Four bucks. One of the last great sports bargains.
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September-1st-2004, 11:23 AM
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Plus ça change...
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Man, I also remember Tovar and Versailles being pretty good players. Maybe my memory fails, though.
Hey, Al, how about Northrup and Demeter?
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September-1st-2004, 11:23 AM
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All Ur Base R Belong 2 Us
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Ken Boswell of the '69 Mets! He sent me an autographed picture and letter to my home after I sent him a letter! 
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September-1st-2004, 11:33 AM
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Six decades
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Originally Posted by walto
Man, I also remember Tovar and Versailles being pretty good players. Maybe my memory fails, though.
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Journeymen can be good in spurts, contributors to champions (like the '65 Twins) and still mediocre overall!
Zoilo's career numbers: .242 BA, .290 On Base Percentage, .367 Slugging. His highest ever on-base average .319.
Tovar was better: .278 BA .335 OBP .368 Slugging
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September-1st-2004, 12:11 PM
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Plus ça change...
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Wow. Thanks, Chris. I didn't remember Versailles being such a punk.
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September-1st-2004, 12:12 PM
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I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Dwayne Murphy, five time gold-glove center fielder for the A's in the 1980s. I used to watch him from the $2.50 center field bleachers. He struck out waaay too much, though, as he was convinced he was a great power hitter.
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September-1st-2004, 12:41 PM
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swing high swing higher
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Joe Lahoud
Ben Oglivie - before the Sox traded him and he got good
Rogelio Moret - shoulda been coulda been
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September-1st-2004, 12:42 PM
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Registered Eater
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Marvelous Marv Throneberry. The best of the mediocre...
Disclaimer: Kansas City is not my hometown but I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Marvelous Marv.
Last edited by Jimmy Cantiello; September-1st-2004 at 01:58 PM.
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